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[Canucker]

Because he’s slow, doesn’t kill penalties, isn’t physical, and needs a play driver to succeed.

So it’s inevitable that we re-sign him this offseason.

He's always been slow, he will always be slow...but he's a solid player and productive. He may need a play driver to succeed, but that's up to management to take care of....not every good player needs to be a play driver.

 

[MS]

What am I demanding?

Try to act like an adult in your response and I promise I wont call you out on your behaviour.

Dude, I’m asking you hockey questions while you haven’t mentioned hockey in several posts now and are just bizarrely victimizing yourself.

Why did none of the teams in the West playoff race sell any players?

 

[dez]

Shill, Coward media took it easy on him, Farhaan the only one asking a pointed question.

 

[Donuts]

ALLLLVIN

 

[thefeebster]

Ottawa sneakily just pulled off one of the best trades at this deadline. Acquired Zetterlund for really not much in acquisition cost. Instant top-six upgrade, he's young, and a daawwwwg.

Not sure why SJS would even do this move. Still young, fits their Swede movement there, producing on a cheap contract and still Rfa.

But this is one trade I wish we were in on.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Oh stop it with this "I'm so right and the world is so wrong" crap. It's also tiresome how it's always mind-blowing every time.

Boston has sold off, and they were within sight of a playoff spot. It's wide open this year. Look at Carolina. They decided to look ahead (wrongly, I think, given how old some core players like Slavin are) and not put all their marbles into this year. It happens a lot more than you think and with more context involved than just loading up year after year if you're within sight of the playoffs.

If the Canucks can't make a deal with Boeser, and he's not in the future plans, given how poorly playing and injured our key core players are - it made sense to gather assets (and perhaps flip them at the draft) to build a better team for next year.

We can all agree this team doesn't nearly have enough offensive depth to do much other than maybe squeak in.

This mediocrity isn't sitting well with fans and it really shouldn't be.

And Suter didn't get traded either (I'd argue he's nearly a core piece here). So clearly Allvin, FA and company are going to shoot for the 8th seed.

What we have at this deadline is poor asset management (unused cap space too) and a lack of vision.

I get it - and we know how FA operates. It's just a bad signal for where this franchise is.

I also think after Rantanen got traded and signed, then maybe the Canucks now decide that keeping BB6 is the best winger option they have.

Cliff Claven here my goodness........sits there pontificating with his holier then thou attitude..........acting surprised why fans are pissy?

No shit we are pissy............barring Demko God mode we have ZERO chance here......we just "don't have the cards" this year......

We had a marvelous chance to set ourselves up to have the cards next year (and look forward to having more than 2-3 home playoff games) but instead took a very short sighted approach...........

Just because everyone around you jumped off the bridge doesn't mean you should as well. Geezus effing &$*$($###.............be a little forward thinking.......at least move some of our spare parts that aren't expected to re-sign - Suter? Give Raty a shot he's been a prospect forever now..........Forbort? Is he really gonna be with us next year? I just don't see how you can reasonably justify not at least flogging a few more of our assets this year with prices being what they were.

 

[alternate]

Okay, fine. But better f***ing make the playoffs now.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Thank you Francesco

 

[Peter Griffin]

I hope we’re able to re-sign Boeser. And Suter, for that matter.

A panic move to save face seems about right. Brock will get his 7/8 years afterall.

I don’t really see the point in getting angry about our ownership/management behaving in the same way as every other management group does in every other sport in the same situation.

No team would be doing what you’re suggesting when you’re in our position and sitting in the playoffs. A lot would have tried to add, if anything.

And it’s not just that people are a bit disappointed. It’s *hysterics* here this morning. Mrs. Lovejoy shit, because a team sitting in a playoffs spot didn’t significantly weaken their roster before the playoffs.

Except they aren’t sitting in a playoff spot and are effectively competing with 3 other teams for 1 spot.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Okay, fine. But better f***ing make the playoffs now.

We’re like the lowest scoring team since December. We won’t make the playoffs.

We’ll have a mid 1st round pick and probably decide to use it because we’re led by two directionless idiots.

 

[bossram]

Fairly disappointed they couldn’t move off Boeser today and flip the assets for a Norris/Cozens/Sillinger level center. If Allvin is telling the truth and the market for Boeser and Suter were actually that dismal, then I can accept that they wouldn’t move Boeser for a 2nd or something like that, but I just don’t see how that’s possible given the returns we’ve seen for other players who are frankly much worse than Boeser.

Not going to get angry about it, unless they end up re-signing Boeser. The correct move is to let him walk and use the massive amount of cap space they have to reload in the summer and balance our top six.

It's absolutely a stinking pile of BS that Allvin couldn't get a decent return for Boeser/Suter.

Guys like Anthony Beauvillier are returning 2nd round picks. They sold Carson Soucy for a 3rd, who might have played himself into pure cap dump territory this season.

A nice series of transactions management could have done, in keeping with "8th place is our Stanley Cup" and the "buy and sell" MOs of this regime, would have been to sell Boeser or Suter for assets, then turn those around and outbid SJ for Zetterlund. Team gets younger but still can "compete" for this season.

 

[wonton15]

Fairly disappointed they couldn’t move off Boeser today and flip the assets for a Norris/Cozens/Sillinger level center. If Allvin is telling the truth and the market for Boeser and Suter were actually that dismal, then I can accept that they wouldn’t move Boeser for a 2nd or something like that, but I just don’t see how that’s possible given the returns we’ve seen for other players who are frankly much worse than Boeser.

Not going to get angry about it, unless they end up re-signing Boeser. The correct move is to let him walk and use the massive amount of cap space they have to reload in the summer and balance our top six.

It still doesn’t make a lot of sense when you see some of the players moved, and think Boeser or Suter wouldn’t return a 2nd or 3rd respectively. Anthony f***ing Beauvillier got a 2nd.

There’s clearly a directive to “compete” because we’re 1 point out of a playoff spot. Ridiculous.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Dude, I’m asking you hockey questions while you haven’t mentioned hockey in several posts now and are just bizarrely victimizing yourself.

Why did none of the teams in the West playoff race sell any players?

What position have you decided that I hold and are now debating?

Utah and Calgary have no UFA players like Suter to trade.

Have you gone mad?

 

[VanCanucks53]

There almost seems like there's a stigma against Canucks players. Allvin had to pay to get rid of some of the players that ended up returning solid assets for other teams. I don't recall occasions where I thought Allvin received great value upon moving a player.

It does seem like that doesn’t it?

Even the return that JT Miller got, who has been one of the NHL’s best forwards the last couple of years. I understand there was more at play with that deal but there was talk of teams not willing to pay premium for a top C.

Our players consistently get undervalued while it seems like average players on other teams get better returns.

Allvin saying the offers for Boeser were terrible while it being a sellers market is just another example. Someone make it make sense.

 

[drax0s]

Fitting that the year we have a sellers market and loads of cap space - no one needs it and doesn't want our players.

 

[dez]

Dude, I’m asking you hockey questions while you haven’t mentioned hockey in several posts now and are just bizarrely victimizing yourself.

Why did none of the teams in the West playoff race sell any players?

-Calgary don't have ufas to sell, they made there trades for mid 20 players earlier.
-Utah Re-Signed there guys and are trending up.
-Stlouis also dont have ufas and can make there trades at the draft there no rush.

Canucks had a opportunity to sell in this crazy market and buy at the same time. I.E Suter for a 2nd then Glass for a 3rd.

 

[Bobby9]

As someone who has been involved in director and above - executive level discussions in a corporate environment for several years at three different companies, I will say that the CEO and board can give certain directives and you’re basically forced in or you’re pushed out. I have little doubt that Aqua is still involved and influencing decisions.

True, but most successful companies have an unwritten rule ' Any employee who has data to back up their position has the same voice as any executive"

 

[ProviesGhost]

ok Brock show us your worth 8x8........

 

[brock hughes007]

Allvin said this group is capable of competing. What an absolute f***ing moron.

I heard that and almost smashed my phone on the floor.If your competing for the playoffs you add like everyone else..if not..your getting rid of your garbage .but then again no one wanted our garbage..other teams are not blind.

 

[MS]

Why did the sharks trade Zetterlund?

Yeah, that’s a weird one. I guess they didn’t like his arbitration case as a pending RFA?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

To sums it up:

They didn’t trade Boeser or Suter because they couldn’t get a impactful player back like Franky wants

They only trade Soucy cause of MP and EP2

It’s so easy to see this has Franky’s fingerprints all over it

 

[krutovsdonut]

Crazy that we never even ate salary for picks or took on an expiring bad contract for a playoff team

there was none to be eaten. the teams third party retaining this tdl were paid a pittance. hawks just bought weber's contract. i am sure they would have retained happily instead if there was a market for it.

which also means there was probably no market for boeser at 75% retention as a playoff pick u. i guess he's not a classic grinding 2-way body or a prolific enough sniper.

 

[moiderer]

Would love to see the pro scouting reports from other teams on Boeser since the Miller trade and if they match what we've been saying in the GDTs.

Might have factored into the purported low offers and likely are the same reasons why we're hesitant to sign him long term.

 

[Canucker]

If Boeser's value around the league is so low, they must be able to sign him for a pretty good deal then.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Allvin's handling of the Pettersson situation is what had me questioning his abilities, the fact that this management group repeatedly put their franchise player in the line of fire was just so incredibly stupid (but that's a different discussion for a different day).