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[PavelBure10]

Nothing new, once again the Canucks come up as losers on deadline day.

Leaves us with a unsigned Boeser who might very well walk. Crap players were collecting 2nd rounders like crazy today, and Allvin can't even garner a 1st for Boeser.

Brutal, just absolutely brutal. There really isn't any excuses for this.

 

[Pacific Canuck]

Well, with Hughs and demko hurt, we arent going far anyway. At least we kept our powder dry to trade at the draft and chase free agents.

Better to make no trade than a bad trade.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Canucks are a f***ing joke. Anyone okay for going for 8th place and not getting any value for expiring contracts have no clue how proper teams run. f*** ownership

none of the teams around us in the wild card race were sellers in a meaningful way. stl moved luke schenn in a hockey trade where they arguably got the best player in the deal and left value on the table compared to a futures deal. calgary did nothing. utah extended guys. the kings added kuzmenko.

in the other conference, habs did nothing, detroit made a hockey trade, sens made a hockey trade, cbj made a small move. rangers were the only busy team g. they made offsetting moves calculated to make the team no worse.

to move boeser without making the team worse we had to get value for him and acquire a replacement so as not to weaken the current lineup. same for suter. simple as.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I'd argue this might be worse than Benning.

Under the Benning regime you had incompetence, but they were actually trying to go for it. This stinks of valuing the bottom line over even competing. They've done nothing to improve their playoff odds at all, and are operating way under the cap.

It's like they were completely blindsided by the much higher sticker price on players. Which is something Rutherford talked about when trying to trade for a defenseman early in the year. I kind of get the feeling he's still trying to operate like it's ten years ago.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Absolutely.

The only way Boeser was getting traded was if they could have turned him into a younger top-6 winger like a Lafreniere or a Stankoven or something.

If that wasn’t there, he was never, ever being dumped for picks for the sake of asset management while the team was sitting in a playoff spot.

Reading page after page of people acting like this is 2016 and they didn’t trade Hamhuis when they were in 28th place is mind-numbing, and the lack of understanding is actually mind blowing.

Oh stop it with this "I'm so right and the world is so wrong" crap. It's also tiresome how it's always mind-blowing every time.

Boston has sold off, and they were within sight of a playoff spot. It's wide open this year. Look at Carolina. They decided to look ahead (wrongly, I think, given how old some core players like Slavin are) and not put all their marbles into this year. It happens a lot more than you think and with more context involved than just loading up year after year if you're within sight of the playoffs.

If the Canucks can't make a deal with Boeser, and he's not in the future plans, given how poorly playing and injured our key core players are - it made sense to gather assets (and perhaps flip them at the draft) to build a better team for next year.

We can all agree this team doesn't nearly have enough offensive depth to do much other than maybe squeak in.

This mediocrity isn't sitting well with fans and it really shouldn't be.

And Suter didn't get traded either (I'd argue he's nearly a core piece here). So clearly Allvin, FA and company are going to shoot for the 8th seed.

What we have at this deadline is poor asset management (unused cap space too) and a lack of vision.

I get it - and we know how FA operates. It's just a bad signal for where this franchise is.

I also think after Rantanen got traded and signed, then maybe the Canucks now decide that keeping BB6 is the best winger option they have.

 

[MS]

These are awfully close to just personal insults. Or flame bait.

Another worthless flame bait.

Moving on.

Make a post worth an actual response or go take a nap.

Asking you to provide examples of teams in Vancouver’s position who have done what you’re demanding Vancouver to do is not ‘flame bait’.

And saying that someone doesn’t understand the fundamentals of how pro sports work is not a ‘personal insult’. It’s no different that saying someone doesn’t understand how the salary cap works if they demonstrate that they don’t.

Stop playing the victim.

 

[ahmon]

I'd argue this might be worse than Benning.

Under the Benning regime you had incompetence, but they were actually trying to go for it. This stinks of valuing the bottom line over even competing. They've done nothing to improve their playoff odds at all, and are operating way under the cap.

agreed.

Like between the Lindholm trade and Miller fiasco, the canucks lost massive asset value - I don't think people realize how much these 2 transactions set our franchise back.

 

[mdobbs]

Not good to keep Boes if they’re not close on extension

Only sliver of hope is that he continues to play badly enough this year to lower his price

 

[MS]

Oh stop it with this "I'm so right and the world is so wrong" crap. It's also tiresome how it's always mind-blowing every time.

Boston has sold off, and they were within sight of a playoff spot. It's wide open this year. Look at Carolina. They decided to look ahead (wrongly, I think, given how old some core players like Slavin are) and not put all their marbles into this year. It happens a lot more than you think and with more context involved than just loading up year after year if you're within sight of the playoffs.

If the Canucks can't make a deal with Boeser, and he's not in the future plans, given how poorly playing and injured our key core players are - it made sense to gather assets (and perhaps flip them at the draft) to build a better team for next year.

We can all agree this team doesn't nearly have enough offensive depth to do much other than maybe squeak in.

This mediocrity isn't sitting well with fans and it really shouldn't be.

And Suter didn't get traded either (I'd argue he's nearly a core piece here). So clearly Allvin, FA and company are going to shoot for the 8th seed.

What we have at this deadline is poor asset management (unused cap space too) and a lack of vision.

I get it - and we know how FA operates. It's just a bad signal for where this franchise is.

I also think after Rantanen got traded and signed, then maybe the Canucks now decide that keeping BB6 is the best winger option they have.

Boston are in 13th place in the East with a 4.2% chance of making the playoffs.

We’re in 8th. It’s not the same thing.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Every franchise in every sport operates like this. Again : total failure to understand how sports work.

Errrr........might I introduce the 2025 Boston Bruins........A team that understands that squeaking into the playoffs to be used as turtle fertilizer is pointless. Stanley cup or bust...........something our team (specifically our owner) fails to recognize......

When Luke Schenn is going for a 2nd and a 4th and we don't take advantage of that market with our current team (that clearly isn't going anywhere ) - yeah fans are gonna have a right to be pissy.........

 

[dez]

Farhaan with a great question, Patrick insinuated there was no first round package for Boeser,

 

[December5th]

You guys were expecting a big trade that would turn the team around? Do you know what club you're watching??

To put it in euro footy terms: the Canucks are not one of the protagonists of the NHL. They exist to fill out the schedule so the real teams have 82 games to play.

this is funny but i used to really believe it was the other way around back in the gillis days of the team. like canucks were a divine gift and the chosen team and everyone else was npcs lol.

 

[cc]

So I guess the Canucks couldn't buy or sell and end up remaining mired in mushy middle mediocrity. I don't see this changing for the foreseeable future

 

[ephmrl]

Farhaan with a great question, Patrick insinuated there was no first round package for Boeser,

Crazy if true.

 

[Hodgy]

They did not do anything to "compete short term", though. Benning would have made some stupid trade with our 1st round pick (and maybe one of our top prospects) for some guy flirting with 30 years old on a bad contract. This is different, they haven't improved an underwhelming, fringe playoff team struggling to string wins together. It's not like they appear to be trying hard to make the playoffs. Benning also would never sit around with this much cap space, it would burn a hole in his pocket.

But there is an opportunity cost to not selling those players as well. So you can't just view it as selling or buying. They picked the third option which favours short term interests over long term.

It’s just not how sports works. It’s like getting mad that it’s raining in Canada in November.

Again, it shouldn't be surprising, but that doesn't mean people can't be mad. That analogy is a poor one since no one decides on the weather. Management and ownership have decided to prefer short terms interests to long terms interest. Fans don't have to like that since there are obvious reasons why fans, who will be around long term, might prefer the organization to take a longer view. Like, my interests as a fan stretch far further into the future than Alvin who probably won't be around after 5-7 years.

Teams do not sell when they’re sitting in a playoff position. And it’s not just ‘2 playoff dates’ - it’s the process of having a winning culture, it’s the impact it would have on season ticket sales, it’s the impact it would have on attracting talent moving forward. And the fact that you’re dealing with real people whose careers depend on reaching the goals set for them as opposed to just quitting on them 80% of the way through.

Again, you are missing my point. I understand why the organization prefers short term interests. I don't have to like it. I'm going to be around as a fan after Allvin is fired. And I don't really care if Allvin has a higher probability of being re-hired after being fired he because, for example, he made the playoffs one extra time during his tenure here.

 

[TruGr1t]

So I guess the Canucks couldn't buy or sell and end up remaining mired in mushy middle mediocrity. I don't see this changing for the foreseeable future

Mired in mediocrity, but at least way below the cap so Aquilini will make more money.

 

[Hodgy]

Oh god, Allvin treading closely to "meaningful games" in the spring.

 

[iRageWin]

Why did we bother to stay out of LTIR if they weren't going to add anyone -- even an expiring cap dump just to have an extra body? We could have just used LTIR cap to sign a better D core rather than losing a bunch of games to start the season with guys like Desharnais and Juulsen. Its starting to feel like it might have been an excuse for Aquilini to start cheaping out on the team

 

[December5th]

quinn hughes is hurt and the coach says its likely hes damaged for the rest of the season. we dont look that much further from boston bruins from where im sitting. the season is a wash, i really think they made a huge mistake.. Frick sakes

 

[dez]

Crazy if true.

Not saying he's lying but probably with some lawyer speak.

 

[PG Canuck]

At least it’s almost baseball season. Having a tough time being excited for this team in any form. This isn’t related to this deadline either.

Management needs a massive summer.

 

[AzNightmare]

Bubble era, with many more bubble years to come!

 

[Peter Griffin]

Idiots. Shades of Benning.

 

[Huggy43]

Crazy that we never even ate salary for picks or took on an expiring bad contract for a playoff team

 

[ephmrl]

If teams weren’t even offering a 1st for Boeser that’s wild, and not surprising he wasn’t moved if that’s the case.

I struggle to understand why the market would value Boeser that low, however. He put up 40 last year and is a fairly consistent 25ish goal player. Bewildering if he couldn’t fetch a 1st + decent prospect minimum in this market.