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[TruGr1t]

Idiots. Shades of Benning.

Again, this is way different than Benning. He would never operate this far below the cap.

 

[Yultron]

That second is likely to be about five pics before what we got for Soucy

Todd Harvey is a very talented Director of Amateur Scouting , I’m incredibly confident he will find a gem with the 65th pick ,

Elias Pettersson 2.0 is a prime example of that

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

The comments that this is as bad or worse than Benning tells me that a lot of you managed to successfully disassociate during the Benning era, or have safely buried the memories of it.

I’m not saying Allvin and Rutherford are the best in the world at running a team, but comparing Benning to them is like comparing Bambi to Godzilla.

I hope we’re able to re-sign Boeser. And Suter, for that matter.

 

[Three On Zero]

Allvin turning into a bafoon, couldn’t even sell assets in a sellers market

 

[BoHorvat 53]

If teams weren’t even offering a 1st for Boeser that’s wild, and not surprising he wasn’t moved if that’s the case.

I struggle to understand why the market would value Boeser that low, however. He put up 40 last year and is a fairly consistent 25ish goal player. Bewildering if he couldn’t fetch a 1st + decent prospect minimum in this market.

That's why it sounds like bullshit. Scott Laughton got a 1st. Depth pieces were getting 2nd rounders, and I'm supposed to believe someone coming off a 40 goal season with retention isn't getting a 1st lmfao, yeeaaaaah...sure.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Asking you to provide examples of teams in Vancouver’s position who have done what you’re demanding Vancouver to do is not ‘flame bait’.

What am I demanding?

And saying that someone doesn’t understand the fundamentals of how pro sports work is not a ‘personal insult’. It’s no different that saying someone doesn’t understand how the salary cap works if they demonstrate that they don’t.

Stop playing the victim.

Try to act like an adult in your response and I promise I wont call you out on your behaviour.

 

[PavelBure10]

I would of been happy with Zetterlund. Anything.

 

[wonton15]

As someone who has been involved in director and above - executive level discussions in a corporate environment for several years at three different companies, I will say that the CEO and board can give certain directives and you’re basically forced in or you’re pushed out. I have little doubt that Aqua is still involved and influencing decisions.

 

[cc]

There almost seems like there's a stigma against Canucks players. Allvin had to pay to get rid of some of the players that ended up returning solid assets for other teams. I don't recall occasions where I thought Allvin received great value upon moving a player.

 

[just22]

If teams weren’t even offering a 1st for Boeser that’s wild, and not surprising he wasn’t moved if that’s the case.

I struggle to understand why the market would value Boeser that low, however. He put up 40 last year and is a fairly consistent 25ish goal player. Bewildering if he couldn’t fetch a 1st + decent prospect minimum in this market.

Because he’s slow, doesn’t kill penalties, isn’t physical, and needs a play driver to succeed.

So it’s inevitable that we re-sign him this offseason.

 

[Pacific Canuck]

This performance is no where near close to Prime Benning.

Benning would have traded a 1st for a 3rd pairing defender and then extended him.

 

[moiderer]

Crazy that we never even ate salary for picks or took on an expiring bad contract for a playoff team

Feels like there was a surprisingly small amount of brokerage and dumping this year.

Teams want to keep their players or are content with them for now with the rising cap.

Might take until the offseason and free agency before teams are antsy with their wallets.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Allvin said this group is capable of competing. What an absolute f***ing moron.

 

[bossram]

Ottawa sneakily just pulled off one of the best trades at this deadline. Acquired Zetterlund for really not much in acquisition cost. Instant top-six upgrade, he's young, and a daawwwwg.

Like, that would have been a nice deal for VAN. Upgrade now so they can achieve their dream of 8th place. Offensive upgrade in the top-six. Young and can fit in going forward.

 

[MS]

But there is an opportunity cost to not selling those players as well. So you can't just view it as selling or buying. They picked the third option which favours short term interests over long term.


Again, it shouldn't be surprising, but that doesn't mean people can't be mad. That analogy is a poor one since no one decides on the weather. Management and ownership have decided to prefer short terms interests to long terms interest. Fans don't have to like that since there are obvious reasons why fans, who will be around long term, might prefer the organization to take a longer view. Like, my interests as a fan stretch far further into the future than Alvin who probably won't be around after 5-7 years.

Again, you are missing my point. I understand why the organization prefers short term interests. I don't have to like it. I'm going to be around as a fan after Allvin is fired. And I don't really care if Allvin has a higher probability of being re-hired after being fired he because, for example, he made the playoffs one extra time during his tenure here.

I don’t really see the point in getting angry about our ownership/management behaving in the same way as every other management group does in every other sport in the same situation.

No team would be doing what you’re suggesting when you’re in our position and sitting in the playoffs. A lot would have tried to add, if anything.

And it’s not just that people are a bit disappointed. It’s *hysterics* here this morning. Mrs. Lovejoy shit, because a team sitting in a playoffs spot didn’t significantly weaken their roster before the playoffs.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

The comments that this is as bad or worse than Benning tells me that a lot of you managed to successfully disassociate during the Benning era, or have safely buried the memories of it.

I’m not saying Allvin and Rutherford are the best in the world at running a team, but comparing Benning to them is like comparing Bambi to Godzilla.

I hope we’re able to re-sign Boeser. And Suter, for that matter.

Yeah, comparing it to the Benning era is insane. Our cap situation is what it is in large part due to having to buy out OEL's contract, that we acquired by trading the 9th pick that turned out to be Dylan Guenther who looks like he's going to be a perennial 40 goal scorer. He left a massive turd on the desk on the way out as a constant reminder of how bad his management group was.

Still doesn't change the fact that this TDL was an unmitigated disaster imo.

 

[ScottishCanuck]

This entire season has been a steaming pile of meh.

 

[arttk]

The comments that this is as bad or worse than Benning tells me that a lot of you managed to successfully disassociate during the Benning era, or have safely buried the memories of it.

I’m not saying Allvin and Rutherford are the best in the world at running a team, but comparing Benning to them is like comparing Bambi to Godzilla.

I hope we’re able to re-sign Boeser. And Suter, for that matter.

It’s amazing how the folks who are yearning for a rebuild due to us lacking assets has somehow forgotten who got us here in the 1st place.

We are not sellers and we are not a contender. So with that, I guess the lack of activity made sense because we didn’t go all in on rentals and we sold Soucy who was made redundant.

 

[LemonSauceD]

sending players up and down to accrue cap space to do absolutely nothing with it.

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

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Cherish every day we no longer have this man running the helm.

Jim Benning trying to win a trade:

 

[TruGr1t]

The comments that this is as bad or worse than Benning tells me that a lot of you managed to successfully disassociate during the Benning era, or have safely buried the memories of it.

I’m not saying Allvin and Rutherford are the best in the world at running a team, but comparing Benning to them is like comparing Bambi to Godzilla.

I hope we’re able to re-sign Boeser. And Suter, for that matter.

As noted, this is completely different than Benning, who never knew a dollar of cap space he didn't need to immediately spend. And the way he spent those dollars was terribly incompetent.

But this is almost more disturbing because for any one who remembers, the last time the Canucks had mediocre teams that operated this far below the cap they almost left Vancouver.

All the recent reports indicate they're still far apart with Boeser, and contract talks are not going anywhere at the moment.

 

[ephmrl]

Fairly disappointed they couldn’t move off Boeser today and flip the assets for a Norris/Cozens/Sillinger level center. If Allvin is telling the truth and the market for Boeser and Suter were actually that dismal, then I can accept that they wouldn’t move Boeser for a 2nd or something like that, but I just don’t see how that’s possible given the returns we’ve seen for other players who are frankly much worse than Boeser.

Not going to get angry about it, unless they end up re-signing Boeser. The correct move is to let him walk and use the massive amount of cap space they have to reload in the summer and balance our top six.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

I'm actually fine with keeping Forbort and Suter and hope they re-sign.

I haven't decided how I feel about Boeser yet.

 

[valkynax]

The comments that this is as bad or worse than Benning tells me that a lot of you managed to successfully disassociate during the Benning era, or have safely buried the memories of it.

I’m not saying Allvin and Rutherford are the best in the world at running a team, but comparing Benning to them is like comparing Bambi to Godzilla.

I hope we’re able to re-sign Boeser. And Suter, for that matter.

I've been getting a lot of these...moments lately when something sounds absolutely hilarious but I cannot figure out why lol.

Overall this TDL does not bode well for the team or the front office. They did nothing to improve what clearly needs improving.

Now we're staring down the barrel of Boeser's proverbial revolver, and the real possibility of missing playoffs.

 

[Bobby9]

Why did the sharks trade Zetterlund?