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Byram has almost as many goals in the last three games as Seider has all season.
Value of: Bowen Byram
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Byram has almost as many goals in the last three games as Seider has all season.
What's those stats have to do with anything? Is the NHL fantasy hockey to you? Having lots of shots, hits and blocks doesn't make you a good player.
This thread is a good example of how volatile young defensemen are. There are countless examples of young D that come into the league looking fantastic and they get projected as future perennial Norris contenders. A lot of those guys come back down to earth and need to build their game up again, often never reaching their initial promise.
Not to say that is the case with Seider or Byram, but people need to learn to hold their horses with young defensemen in particular.
Not to say that is the case with Seider or Byram, but people need to learn to hold their horses with young defensemen in particular.
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It makes you an effective defender though, that's not fantasy hockey, more like general hockey knowledge, guess you missed that part?
It really doesn't, guess Myers>>>>Quinn Hughes then? If you have lots of hits and blocks it means you're hemmed in your zone all game, you can't hit and block if you have the puck and get it out of your zone.
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HAHAHA so Myers is comparable to Seider HAHAHAHA ok then....
I assumed that you would know that I meant those combined with Seiders natural ability, I should have assumed you wouldn't get it though, that's my fault......
So you're picking and choosing stats based on players now? My point is Myers has more blocks and hits than Hughes, does that make him a better defender?
It is funny though, Myers WAS Seider when he broke into the league. Big defenseman broke into the league putting up big numbers and won the Calder. It's amazing how fast people forget.
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The Avs better try to lock Byram up sooner than later. He’s now scoring at a rate of 23 goals per year (over 82 games) as a 21 year old with no PP1 time.
That’s insane when you let it wash over you. Byram isn’t even the QB of PP2. He plays winger on that. A PP2 unit that gets like 26 seconds a stint because our PP1 won’t come off the ice or they score. Byram is a 5 vs 5 phenomenon.
Byram was quite a bit better than every other Avs player last night. It’s usually not good for the Avs when that happens and Makar kinda sucked last night. I’d rather makar and Mack be our best players in a given game.
But Byram is going to play himself into some stupidly high AAV if this keeps up.
The Dzone play last night where he just chased Zucarillo all over the ice before just bashing Zuc into the boards and stealing the puck to trigger a 4 on 2 was incredible. The TNT commentator was stunned. Now That guy now knows what Avs fans know about Byram. Baller.
And that breakaway goal Byram scored. The Avs will want to move him and Nuke higher up in the shootout lineup if it gets past three shooters.
That’s insane when you let it wash over you. Byram isn’t even the QB of PP2. He plays winger on that. A PP2 unit that gets like 26 seconds a stint because our PP1 won’t come off the ice or they score. Byram is a 5 vs 5 phenomenon.
Byram was quite a bit better than every other Avs player last night. It’s usually not good for the Avs when that happens and Makar kinda sucked last night. I’d rather makar and Mack be our best players in a given game.
But Byram is going to play himself into some stupidly high AAV if this keeps up.
The Dzone play last night where he just chased Zucarillo all over the ice before just bashing Zuc into the boards and stealing the puck to trigger a 4 on 2 was incredible. The TNT commentator was stunned. Now That guy now knows what Avs fans know about Byram. Baller.
And that breakaway goal Byram scored. The Avs will want to move him and Nuke higher up in the shootout lineup if it gets past three shooters.
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Shots definitely doesn't make you an effective defender lol. Hits and Blockshots, it really depends on the role you play on the team and the style of the team in general. On the Avs, Byram has more hits per game than both Toews and Makar; and around the same block shots per game. He's not completely allergic to contact like Hughes. None of the Avs dmen are; which is why our defence is so great and won us the cup.
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I'm not picking and choosing anything, blocking shots and hitting are important, just as defending and putting up points are important, obviously one is more important than the other, but a dman who can do it all is quite valuable.
Myers could never play defense, so no, he wasn't Seider. Nobody is forgetting anything, your comparison sucks.
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The more shots you get the more chance you have at scoring no?, shots and blocked shots combined with Seiders skill make him quite valuable. Which is the point you and your fellow fan there don't seem to get.
Nice cheapshot, though I know from your past posts you've never actually watched Hughes play, so taking anything serious that you say about him is pointless......
Not necessarily.
You can't take these stats at face value. Low quality shots can actually decrease the chance of actually scoring, as there may be a better passing option. Hughes barely averages 2 shots per game, if he shot more i'd bet his point totals would go down as he's an elite playmaker. On the other hand, Trouba has over 3 shots per game and has a whopping 8 goals and 29 points.
Hits, blocks, and shots are pretty much fantasy hockey stats and don't explain the whole story. There are better stats that take into other factors like shot quality, quality of linemates, scoring chance, etc. that can display a player's performance.
Seider's overall play is impressive, but it's not because of his shots, hits, or block totals.
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byram has the skill to be better than seider but so far not the health. seider is still better, at least for now.
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Is his comparison for a bridge more like Dobson or more like McAvoy/Werenski. Seems like in some threads Avs fans want it one way and in this thread they want is another.
Ararana
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Byram is better than Seider when he's healthy and playing consistently. But health is the big question mark for Byram. Hell, Bo is within reach of a 30 point season this year and he's only played 36 games so far. And almost all of that is at 5v5, Bo rarely gets meaningful time on the PP.
The knee/ankle that kept him out this season was frustrating, but not exactly something I'm worried about becoming a reoccurring issue. The concussions are what is worrisome, but Byram hasn't had concussion issues since January 2022, over a full calendar year now. Hopefully that's all behind him.
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durability is part of how good a player is. the potential is there for byram to surpass seider as soon as next season.
Ararana
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I agree. Byram has to stay healthy, there's no conversation if he can't.
Nice to see non Avs fans finally realizing this.
As hockey players, Byram is showing to be better. And that’s not even a slight on Seider, whom is excellent in his own right.
Byram just looks like he has all the tools to be elite.. and shows that on a game by game basis more so than any young defender not named Dahlin.
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I wonder how good Mo Seider would look insulated behind Makar-Toews and playing minutes with actual great players like Nuke, Mac and Rants.
Very hard to properly compare players when one is on a team which could be a dyansty and the other is playing heavy minutes with Jake Walman and Pius Suter.
Very hard to properly compare players when one is on a team which could be a dyansty and the other is playing heavy minutes with Jake Walman and Pius Suter.
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I wonder how many points Byram would have being stapled on PP1 for two years....
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Maybe true, but looking good does not equal points. I have 1 lightly used Erik Gustafsson for you if you disagree!
Ararana
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I'd encourage you to check out few games Byram manages to get PP1 time (exclusively when Makar is injured). There's a certain Columbus Blue Jackets game from a year ago that's pretty easy to find on YouTube.
