This seems a pretty simplistic comment.
I mean, does "great" cover the entire body of work, or are you addressing the objective and content separately?
Value of: Bowen Byram
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I mean, does "great" cover the entire body of work, or are you addressing the objective and content separately?
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Yeah but their ability to play a full season, much less a full career, gives them MUCH more lifetime/career value.
Byram doesn't get the offensive minutes Seider does because he'll always be behind Makar.
Seider have an avreage of 3 minutes and 11 seconde in PP per game this year and 2.53 last year
Byram have 58 scondes of pp time per game and Byram are on second unit vs 1st unit for Seider.
If Seider Played in Colorado he probably got 15 pts less per season minimum due to play behind Makar
And please don't compare Seider to Makar
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The Avs would be wise to try to get Byram locked down for 8 years now. His injuries are the only thing keeping his next contract from being just as expensive as Makar's. You bridge him for 2-3 years, my guess is you're going to regret it.
And yet Byram has 4 more goals this year than Seider in 37 less games. Seider is going to be good, but jesus christ is he overrated. Only 7 goals last year, and even less so far this season. All while being stapled to PP1. NHL media went over their skies on him because he's a big boy. Byram is easily the best defenseman from his draft IMO. Health is the only question.
And yet Byram has 4 more goals this year than Seider in 37 less games. Seider is going to be good, but jesus christ is he overrated. Only 7 goals last year, and even less so far this season. All while being stapled to PP1. NHL media went over their skies on him because he's a big boy. Byram is easily the best defenseman from his draft IMO. Health is the only question.
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He was out most of the year with a lower body injury. He's looked good ever since coming back.
If Byram had another head injury this season, I’d agree. But getting injured blocking a shot is just a part of the game that bothers me much less in terms of projected longevity.
Byram is a better hockey player than Seider right now and as long as his head injury doesn’t resurface, he’s the better long term bet to be elite.
But I’d definitely insure all his future contracts. LTIR can solve the issue of salary cap circumvention in the case of injury.
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He's only played 84 games in the past 3 seasons
I'll take Seider/Power who can actually contribute for 70+ games.
Actually he's also played 20 physically intense playoff games last year.
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Seider is already elite defensively, physically punishing and averaging 40-50 points as a 20 year old on a bottom 8 team. He also hasn’t missed a single game with injury. Bryam better slightly offensively but Seider overall the superior player.
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Gents, I give you 'elite defensively':
So elite. Much wow.
FWIW, yes Byram has better numbers than this. Comparing these to Makar's numbers is just embarrassing.
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Colorado should try to give him the Josi contract, adjusted for inflation. Same deal, promising young defenseman with concussion questions getting long term security for lower AAV
Seider is solid defensively and so-so offensively. He was better as a rookie than he’s been as a 2nd year player. He’s very durable and racks up a lot of hits.
I like him a lot as a player. He’s not as good at hockey all around as Byram. He’s definitely more available and that matters.
Seider has a ways to go before we’re calling him elite. You Detroit fans jumped the gun on calling that. He may get there. He’s not there today.
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He’s literally a top 15 defenceman considering points, PPP, shots, hits, blocks at age 21 lol he’s likely one of the leagues most valuable players considering value for contract and he is certainly better than Byram. He is not better than Makar, I’m
not sure any D man is.
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ESPN cursed him when they called him the 38th best player in the NHL. LMAO, jesus christ what a stretch that was.
He’s one of those guys that’s hard to predict how he will end up. For stretches he looks great and then he gets injured.
I’d be leery of a long term deal given his injuries. He’s an ideal candidate for a bridge.
I’d be leery of a long term deal given his injuries. He’s an ideal candidate for a bridge.
Most Wings fans had him as a top 5-7 Dman at the beginning of the year, with some putting him on par with Makar:
Crazy how the bar for a top 15 dman has fallen.
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37 points, 40 PIMs, 127 SOG, 181 Hits and 177 blocks (3rd most in the league) while playing against the NHLs elite top line competition every night ALL WHILE being paired with anchors like Danny Dekeyser and Ben Chiarot lol. Makar > Seider>> Byram and its not close.
ooh, cool, another thread devolving into a my guy is better than your guy match.
You'd think by now, folks would know which posters strive to start this nonsense and ignore their bait.
You'd think by now, folks would know which posters strive to start this nonsense and ignore their bait.
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