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Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

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If NJD traded for Hellebuyck, I'd have them as the clear favourite in the East. They're right there as it is, but Vanacek/Schmid is a pretty big question mark.

Buffalo also gets close to that top 4 territory with a move between the pipes.

Both have ~$6m of cap space. Helly makes ~$6m
 
Mortimer Snerd said:
I know it is still way too soon for this conclusion but - more and more I think we are going into the season with Scheif and Helle. Extended, or not. Traded at the TD, or not. Walk for nothing, or not.

I guess it is the lack of buzz around either one. And that is where it is too soon. Teams have been occupied with the draft, buyout deadline and now FA. Also the ghosts of off-seasons past have my expectations low.

But they really should have been traded before the draft.

Anyone else here old enough to remember this guy?

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Tell us, Grandpa

I sure that there’s a story here ……:laugh:
 
The Leafs lost 3 solid forwards today and signing Klingberg who is well past his due date doesn't do much. Reaves is a joke and 3 years is laughable. They can some crazy decisions to make in the coming years and Mathews, Marner and Nylander hold all the cards.
 
bustamente said:
The Leafs lost 3 solid forwards today and signing Klingberg who is well past his due date doesn't do much. Reaves is a joke and 3 years is laughable. They can some crazy decisions to make in the coming years and Mathews, Marner and Nylander hold all the cards.
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Treliving being Treliving
 
Honestly this team should be able to challenge for top 3 in the division. Outside of Dallas no team really scares me. The Aves will be without their captain all year and lost more depth. Arizona and Chicago are awful. The Preds got much worse on paper, No idea what Trotz is doing. The Blues are middling and we will see if the Wild punch above their weight again. We should be able secure a seeded spot if we can get buy in.
 
surixon said:
Honestly this team should be able to challenge for top 3 in the division. Outside of Dallas no team really scares me. The Aves will be without their captain all year and lost more depth. Arizona and Chicago are awful. The Preds got much worse on paper, No idea what Trotz is doing. The Blues are middling and we will see if the Wild punch above their weight again. We should be able secure a seeded spot if we can get buy in.
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Agreed but it all hinges on what they do with Scheifele and Helle, if both are back this team should have a decent shot a playoff spot, but making the playoffs will be troublesome and if either of them have not signed an extension both must be traded at the deadline, playoffs be dammed we cannot lose them for nothing.
 
bustamente said:
Agreed but it all hinges on what they do with Scheifele and Helle, if both are back this team should have a decent shot a playoff spot, but making the playoffs will be troublesome and if either of them have not signed an extension both must be traded at the deadline, playoffs be dammed we cannot lose them for nothing.
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I think you have to figure it out this summer. Sign or deal them. I guess my gut is saying Mark is signed but Helle dealt.
 
JetsFan815 said:
Leafs sign Klingberg $4.15m x 1

Defensive metrics are awful. They should have just given up a 2nd and a prospect to us and gotten Dillon who would be a better fit and can actually defend.
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Kling is a right hander.
 
surixon said:
I think you have to figure it out this summer. Sign or deal them. I guess my gut is saying Mark is signed but Helle dealt.
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Yup I also think they make a run at keeping Scheifele on the other hand Helle has said his peace and the Jets only move might be trading him as a rental from the beginning of the season and getting whatever they can for him.
 
Wpg may be the only team to offer Helle close to the money he wants, this isn’t a cup team so he will have to choose between betting on himself or taking Chevys $.
 
Guffman said:
They didn’t have a first round pick in 2021 or 2022. You guys are excited over their raw pick numbers because they accumulated 24 picks in the past four years in rounds 4-7? Guys… come on.
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Yep. They're lottery picks, the more you have, the better the chance you win the lottery. Not to mention they've drafted exceptionally well. Their top 2 defensemen were drafted in the 3rd and 4th round. They have a ton of prospects with high upside.

Here's a fact that goes against your 4-7 round argument:

Carolina has had the same number of picks in the first 3 rounds in the past 4 years as the Jets have had total. 20.
 
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Yeah it was something like we're exploring different options and talking to different teams and gauging their interests etc.
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What'll you give me for Dillon?
What'll you give me for Stanley?
What'll you give me for Heinola?
What'll you give me for Schmidt?
 
Guffman said:
They didn’t have a first round pick in 2021 or 2022. You guys are excited over their raw pick numbers because they accumulated 24 picks in the past four years in rounds 4-7? Guys… come on.
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In 2022 they had a 1st #27 and traded it for #40 and #51. They drafted Scott Morrow with #40 who is considered one of the best d prospect in the league. Pretty good value for them. Sort of the reverse Stanley trade that the Jets did.

In 2021 they gave their 1st as part of Kotkaneimi offersheet, a guy signed for 7 more years.

Moreover Carolina has been a bonafide contender during all these years. The only 2 years the Jets could have been seen as undisputed contenders (and really they were iffy on the 2nd year) they gave up two 1st round picks with no long term compensation.
 
Atoyot said:
Yep. They're lottery picks, the more you have, the better the chance you win the lottery. Not to mention they've drafted exceptionally well. Their top 2 defensemen were drafted in the 3rd and 4th round. They have a ton of prospects with high upside.

Here's a fact that goes against your 4-7 round argument.

Carolina has had the same number of picks in the first 3 rounds in the past 4 years as the Jets have had total. 20.
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Total number of NHL games played from Carolina Hurricane players drafted in 2016 or later from rounds 4 or later: 2

Two games, dude.

Would you trade a first round pick for three 7th round picks to have “more chances to win the lottery”? No.

Fact is… Carolina absolutely had a lot of draft picks but they were stuffed with low round, near zero chance of success, while they sold off a couple of first round picks.
 
Guffman said:
Total number of NHL games played from Carolina Hurricane players drafted in 2016 or later from rounds 4 or later: 2

Two games, dude.

Would you trade a first round pick for three 7th round picks to have “more chances to win the lottery”? No.

Fact is… Carolina absolutely had a lot of draft picks but they were stuffed with low round, near zero chance of success, while they sold off a couple of first round picks.
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What the f*** kind of argument is that dude? Would I trade a 1st for 3 7ths? No. Doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about though.

You're scaling back on the time frame to help yourself. We're talking about 2019-2023. 4-7 round picks generally don't get into the league by this point. Also you've conveniently ignored the fact that they have as many 1-3 round picks in that time frame as we've had total.
 
Atoyot said:
What the f*** kind of argument is that dude? Would I trade a 1st for 3 7ths? No. Doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about though.

You're scaling back on the time frame to help yourself. We're talking about 2019-2023. 4-7 round picks generally don't get into the league by this point. Also you've conveniently ignored the fact that they have as many 1-3 round picks in that time frame as we've had total.
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Hey, you're the one that said:

Atoyot said:
They're lottery picks, the more you have, the better the chance you win the lottery.
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The odds of winning based on a Round 1 Lottery Ticket is a lot higher than a Round 7 Lottery Ticket.

You were crowing about all the lottery tickets they had but a lot of those were Round 4 to 7 picks, which are largely irrelevant.

If you want to revise your opinion, that's cool. Focusing on total # of picks is silly.
 
Guffman said:
Hey, you're the one that said:



The odds of winning based on a Round 1 Lottery Ticket is a lot higher than a Round 7 Lottery Ticket.

You were crowing about all the lottery tickets they had but a lot of those were Round 4 to 7 picks, which are largely irrelevant.

If you want to revise your opinion, that's cool. Focusing on total # of picks is silly.
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Right, this whole exchange is ridiculous. You're arguing against something I never said, i.e. a strawman, and you're ignoring everything else I say. Happy Canada Day, this is pointless.
 
The Canes are a team built on signing players and trades. They have a luxury that we don't. Just accept the facts that we cannot be like other teams because of who we are

It will make life easier for you and the decisions that this team makes will seem more logical outside the NHL bubble of why we can't be like some Large American city
 
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