Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Coming in peace as a rangers fan. I need to know what Blake Wheeler is at this point. Thanks

 

[roccerfeller]

Doesn’t really matter who we replace them with if we get good pieces in return. Take a step back for a year and re-focus while the next wave make the NHL.

Injury situation is different than prior years because if they have a season ending injury at any point from October until the TDL, nobody will trade for them and they’ll have the opportunity to walk to Free Agency witho it recouping two of the franchise’s biggest assets since relocating.

I get he’s listening through the summer, but todays presser gives me the impression he believes the market will not allow for a “fair value trade” until TDL. I’m not saying he should take a lesser trade offered today because of it, but there is some inherent risk to banking on better value in 9 months’ time and that all else equal with respect to their assets will remain.

fair points

plenty of free agency left too. I imagine Chevy wont do anything if he doesnt think it will improve the team/franchise

(or he is just posturing publicly to other GMs lol)

Coming in peace as a rangers fan. I need to know what Blake Wheeler is at this point. Thanks

truly a steal at that price

still an absolute warrior. lost a step, but will be a great depth winger

you guys will enjoy him

 

[Atoyot]

Coming in peace as a rangers fan. I need to know what Blake Wheeler is at this point. Thanks

At his best he took 20ish games to get going, past couple years 30-40. Hopefully he comes in understanding that his spot isn't guaranteed and is ready to go, otherwise I don't know if you guys will have the patience with him that the Jets have.

When he does get going, he's still ~ a point per game player. It's obvious he chose to go to the Rangers at that price because he wants to win a cup. Hope it works out for everyone involved.

 

[robertocarlos]

Coming in peace as a rangers fan. I need to know what Blake Wheeler is at this point. Thanks

The best third line guy in the NHL at any price.

 

[King Woodballs]

LA: PLD
WPG: Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, 2024 2nd (MTL)

Three. Days.

Yawn

 

[gojetsgo]

Yawn

teams had the most depth it's had in years

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Deep down, did we really expect anything less?

I honestly thought we'd have moved on from Hellebuyck and made an earnest extension offer to Scheifele. As soon as Mau said "statue," the prophecy was written and thus shall it fulfill itself.

But we could actually be on to something if Helle and Bones both trust Larry with 25ish starts. Helle wants to start 70 games, I'd like the last 20 to be playoff games.

 

[10Ducky10]

Pionk, 2024 1st and 2025 2nd for a re-signed Pesce?
6 x 7.5m.

 

[WolfHouse]

Pionk, 2024 1st and 2025 2nd for a re-signed Pesce?
6 x 7.5m.

Why would Carolina do that deal - they are only trading Pesce because they can't afford him... doubt they'd want Pionk at 6m

 

[10Ducky10]

Why would Carolina do that deal - they are only trading Pesce because they can't afford him... doubt they'd want Pionk at 6m

They would get a 1st and 2nd rounder as well.
It'd give us that 1RHD.

JMo Pesce
Samberg Schmidt
Dillon DD
Heinola

That's a substantial upgrade to last year's D.
It also allows for better pairings.

 

[Daximus]

Well it seems like the team direction is to remain at least competitive. If we can somehow swing in Scheif and Helle I'm all for it. We have a pretty solid bottom 6 right now at least on paper. We got rid of PLD and Wheeler and got some replacements. We aren't contenders yet. We may not ever be and that is what it is. This management group doesn't have the stomach for scorched earth and I don't blame them.

We have some interesting pieces, some interesting prospects and some interesting potential. But if we trade or let Scheif and Helle walk its over. This group ain't good enough with those two gone and ain't no way around it.

 

[Romang67]

Well, planning to run back a 95 point team that has traded their #2C and bought out their 5th highest point producer is certainly an idea. Maybe we'll reach the playoffs, get stomped in the first round, and lose our self rentals for nothing. Sounds fun

I miss when it felt like this team had some kind of plan past the next April.

 

[kanadalainen]

4th line/extra forward tweener who is big and okay defensively. Doesn’t have a ton of offensive chops but will probably score five or six times

Also known as Stengun

 

[SeLaine]

They have Nemec coming up and they would get a 1st and 2nd rounder as well.
It'd give us that 1RHD.

JMo Pesce
Samberg Schmidt
Dillon DD
Heinola

That's a substantial upgrade to last year's D.
It also allows for better pairings.

Nemec is in New Jersey.

 

[Daximus]

Well, planning to run back a 95 point team that has traded their #2C and bought out their 5th highest point producer is certainly an idea. Maybe we'll reach the playoffs, get stomped in the first round, and lose our self rentals for nothing. Sounds fun

I miss when it felt like this team had some kind of plan past the next April.

I think the only way this works long term is if both our 1C and Franchise level goalie stick around and re-sign. Otherwise it's just floundering on the bubble of mediocrity drafting between 10-16 and hoping and praying that we hit big on a mid 1st rounder.

We absolutely cannot go into the season with Helle unsigned though. That's just a recipe for disaster. It's a huge risk to go into the season with either of them just in case injuries hit but Scheif should at least garner a lot of interest at the deadline. Most playoff teams aren't trading for a starting goalie at the deadline though unless injuries hit or they are looking for a backup, but I can't remember the last time a team went out and got a high end starter before a playoff run. Generally teams aren't super keen on disrupting the net when they are in a playoff position.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I think the only way this works long term is if both our 1C and Franchise level goalie stick around and re-sign. Otherwise it's just floundering on the bubble of mediocrity drafting between 10-16 and hoping and praying that we hit big on a mid 1st rounder.

We absolutely cannot go into the season with Helle unsigned though. That's just a recipe for disaster. It's a huge risk to go into the season with either of them just in case injuries hit but Scheif should at least garner a lot of interest at the deadline. Most playoff teams aren't trading for a starting goalie at the deadline though unless injuries hit or they are looking for a backup, but I can't remember the last time a team went out and got a high end starter before a playoff run. Generally teams aren't super keen on disrupting the net when they are in a playoff position.

Obviously stars can align and we can turn our 55, 37 and our prospects into a top 5 team in the NHL...but I think the plan is to be a top 6-16 team in the NHL and have a punchers chance at a successful playoff run. Perennially in the playoffs and one Cup every 32 years is fine with me.

I am not sure what the option is. If we keep stars like 26, 55 and 37 until they're 37 years old, I think we will be a less stable franchise and have more boom and bust periods.

edit: I should add that I don't think we've ever had better than average coaching

 

[Daximus]

Obviously stars can align and we can turn our 55, 37 and our prospects into a top 5 team in the NHL...but I think the plan is to be a top 6-16 team in the NHL and have a punchers chance at a successful playoff run. Perennially in the playoffs and one Cup every 32 years is fine with me.

I am not sure what the option is. If we keep stars like 26, 55 and 37 until they're 37 years old, I think we will be a less stable franchise and have more boom and bust periods.

edit: I should add that I don't think we've ever had better than average coaching

Yeah ideally we sign both 55 and 37 for 5-6 years at solid rates and with the cap increases in the pipeline we can just keep giving it a run until we got nothing left.

The flip side is we move them out and are bad, but not really bad enough to make the turnaround more probable and we just kind of flounder around in the middle. Like we did for the first few years the Jets came back. Not bad enough to draft high, not good enough to make the playoffs.

If we do move them then ideally the summer is the spot but the league is in such a weird place right now. Not a lot of money to go around, teams covet their good young players on cheap contracts. Making a big splash doesn't really guarantee you anything.

 

[DRW204]

Miles wood for 6 years though?

i think he is a solid player but not sure about 6 years

but v low cap hit



not sure if it was brought up. but it appears sorokin has signed w/ NYI.

8.25m x 8 for one of the league's best

 

[Gil Fisher]

Helly can probably ask for 6 x $8.5m based on the Sorokin contract.

He has no interest in staying here, but I'd offer him 4 x $9.25m ($37m). Might go as high as $10m.

 

[Daximus]

Miles wood for 6 years though?

i think he is a solid player but not sure about 6 years

but v low cap hit



not sure if it was brought up. but it appears sorokin has signed w/ NYI.

8.25m x 8 for one of the league's best

Helly can probably ask for 6 x $8.5m based on the Sorokin contract.

He has no interest in staying here, but I'd offer him 4 x $9.25m ($37m). Might go as high as $10m.

I'd be okay with 6x$8.5 for Helle. He's pretty durable and doesn't play an overly athletic style so I think 36 is probably not out of the question for him to still be good.

 

[Romang67]

I think the only way this works long term is if both our 1C and Franchise level goalie stick around and re-sign. Otherwise it's just floundering on the bubble of mediocrity drafting between 10-16 and hoping and praying that we hit big on a mid 1st rounder.

We absolutely cannot go into the season with Helle unsigned though. That's just a recipe for disaster. It's a huge risk to go into the season with either of them just in case injuries hit but Scheif should at least garner a lot of interest at the deadline. Most playoff teams aren't trading for a starting goalie at the deadline though unless injuries hit or they are looking for a backup, but I can't remember the last time a team went out and got a high end starter before a playoff run. Generally teams aren't super keen on disrupting the net when they are in a playoff position.

Even if they re-sign, we're looking at two 31 year olds with a lot of miles on them, and just so incredibly little team success even when they were at the top of their game. Is there a chance we could get reinforced by a few young forwards to match up with Helle's and Scheifele's last years before they drop off? Maybe. That's assuming we actually re-sign them, which I doubt.

It just feels like the organization is intent on sticking with what hasn't worked so far until the players themselves get sick of it and demand out. Or hope we'll get a couple of impactful players through the draft, but it's not like they actually seem to believe in the Draft and develop process.

 

[Daximus]

Even if they re-sign, we're looking at two 31 year olds with a lot of miles on them, and just so incredibly little team success even when they were at the top of their game. Is there a chance we could get reinforced by a few young forwards to match up with Helle's and Scheifele's last years before they drop off? Maybe. That's assuming we actually re-sign them, which I doubt.

It just feels like the organization is intent on sticking with what hasn't worked so far until the players themselves get sick of it and demand out. Or hope we'll get a couple of impactful players through the draft, but it's not like they actually seem to believe in the Draft and develop process.

I just don't see a road where we are better without them and if we plan on competing, which judging by the PLD trade, we pretty much have to now. We are a worse team without them and there is no way in hell we replace them soon enough by trading them.

There's two roads right now. One involves keeping them and just clinging to a bit of hope, the other involves trading them and being a bubble team for the foreseeable future.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I think the only way this works long term is if both our 1C and Franchise level goalie stick around and re-sign. Otherwise it's just floundering on the bubble of mediocrity drafting between 10-16 and hoping and praying that we hit big on a mid 1st rounder.

We absolutely cannot go into the season with Helle unsigned though. That's just a recipe for disaster. It's a huge risk to go into the season with either of them just in case injuries hit but Scheif should at least garner a lot of interest at the deadline. Most playoff teams aren't trading for a starting goalie at the deadline though unless injuries hit or they are looking for a backup, but I can't remember the last time a team went out and got a high end starter before a playoff run. Generally teams aren't super keen on disrupting the net when they are in a playoff position.

Unless the reports are false, Helle is as good as gone.

Report: Connor Hellebuyck has no interest in signing long-term with Jets

The stage is set for a major offseason shakeup in Winnipeg as the ship has reportedly sailed on Hellebuyck inking a long-term deal with the Jets.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[Whileee]

My guess is that the Jets still expect to trade Hellebuyck and probably Scheifele. But the offers so far have been too low. The trade market might pick up again now that the free agency frenzy is dying down. Devil's still have question marks in goal and the Bruins top two C's are Zacha and Coyle, right now. There are 3 months before the season starts, so plenty of time for trade talks to continue.

But it's rational for Chevy to signal that he's not desperate to trade Hellebuyck or Scheifele at this point.

 

[Daximus]

Unless the reports are false, Helle is as good as gone.

Report: Connor Hellebuyck has no interest in signing long-term with Jets

The stage is set for a major offseason shakeup in Winnipeg as the ship has reportedly sailed on Hellebuyck inking a long-term deal with the Jets.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Oh I know but we have to hope he changes his mind or we are f***ed. This team will spin it's tires for the foreseeable future even worse than it has been.