Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Patty Ice]

Don't look up Brandt Clarke's stats.

I was gonna say.

Guenther is having himself a season as well.

 

[Hodge]

I was gonna say.

Guenther is having himself a season as well.

Also let's not forget that according to a Buffalo Sabres behind the scenes draft video, we turned down an offer of Sam Reinhart and the 14th pick for pick 7.

 

[TheBeard]

Also let's not forget that according to a Buffalo Sabres behind the scenes draft video, we turned down an offer of Sam Reinhart and the 14th pick for pick 7.

What would Sam have done for us? It would have been a bad trade

 

[Hodge]

What would Sam have done for us? It would have been a bad trade

Played on our top line for a decade? He was only 25 at the time. Plus we would have still gotten the 14th pick (likely taking Wallstedt) out of it.

 

[TheBeard]

Played on our top line for a decade? He was only 25 at the time. Plus we would have still gotten the 14th pick (likely taking Wallstedt) out of it.

If we do that then the team probably doesn't trade Timo and then we're in a way worse position.

 

[Hodge]

If we do that then the team probably doesn't trade Timo and then we're in a way worse position.

Or Grier could have decided to trade Timo and Reinhart (and gotten a haul). It would have still been a good trade in terms of value IMO.

 

[cheechoo]

Trouba a worthwhile gamble? Pluck an asset (re-Walman)

I looked into his underlying metrics and they weren't as awful as I was expecting.

Good skating physical 6'3 RHD that brings a tonne of leadership and swagger/confidence to empower our young guys.

JFresh card doesn't like him but so far this season amongst their top 6 D he's ranked--

2nd in expected GA/60 only behind K Miller
4th in HDCA
4th in SCA/60

He is riding favorable PDO, but that's compounded with the lowest rates of OZone starts on the team. He tanks tough match-ups and does okay against them. Also the risk of a <2 year deal is mitigatable.

Would help with the LHD/RHD disparity heading into next season as well with some permutation of (RHD): Liljegren, Trouba, Thompson | (LHD): Walman, Ferraro, Cagnoni/Mukhamadullin

Although, maybe he isn't down. Allegedly rejected the chance to go to Detroit last summer.

 

[TheBeard]

Or Grier could have decided to trade Timo and Reinhart (and gotten a haul). It would have still been a good trade in terms of value IMO.

Reinharts numbers would have been on par with what he was doing in Buffalo (20-25 goals) than what he was doing on a stacked Florida team. Maybe we end up with a late first and a B prospect as a rental last year because no way he re-signs with the sharks.

 

[ChompChomp]

Trouba a worthwhile gamble? Pluck an asset (re-Walman)

I looked into his underlying metrics and they weren't as awful as I was expecting.

Good skating physical 6'3 RHD that brings a tonne of leadership and swagger/confidence to empower our young guys.

JFresh card doesn't like him but so far this season amongst their top 6 D he's ranked--

2nd in expected GA/60 only behind K Miller
4th in HDCA
4th in SCA/60

He is riding favorable PDO, but that's compounded with the lowest rates of OZone starts on the team. He tanks tough match-ups and does okay against them. Also the risk of a <2 year deal is mitigatable.

Would help with the LHD/RHD disparity heading into next season as well with some permutation of (RHD): Liljegren, Trouba, Thompson | (LHD): Walman, Ferraro, Cagnoni/Mukhamadullin

Although, maybe he isn't down. Allegedly rejected the chance to go to Detroit last summer.

Trouba has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Do a search and read pages and pages on it.

I will just remind everyone, again, that Trouba's wife has a medical residency in NY. They don't want to go anywhere right now. When that residency ends, maybe, but for now he has been clear he doesn't want to move. He's on an M-NTC right now, and I'm sure that includes SJ. He'd have to waive the NTC, but for those personal reasons, it's not happening. He could be waived right now and the Sharks claim, but right now the Sharks actually don't have enough cap space for him.

It's only realistic to consider Trouba to the Sharks when he becomes a UFA in the 2026 offseason. Then I'm sure we'll get a ton of discussion as to whether the Sharks should sign him as a "veteran presence" or something.

 

[TheBeard]

Trouba has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Do a search and read pages and pages on it.

I will just remind everyone, again, that Trouba's wife has a medical residency in NY. They don't want to go anywhere right now. When that residency ends, maybe, but for now he has been clear he doesn't want to move. He's on an M-NTC right now, and I'm sure that includes SJ. He'd have to waive the NTC, but for those personal reasons, it's not happening. He could be waived right now and the Sharks claim, but right now the Sharks actually don't have enough cap space for him.

It's only realistic to consider Trouba to the Sharks when he becomes a UFA in the 2026 offseason. Then I'm sure we'll get a ton of discussion as to whether the Sharks should sign him as a "veteran presence" or something.

I thought his wife’s residency was done after this year and he’d be open to waiving next offseason.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Trouba has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Do a search and read pages and pages on it.

I will just remind everyone, again, that Trouba's wife has a medical residency in NY. They don't want to go anywhere right now. When that residency ends, maybe, but for now he has been clear he doesn't want to move. He's on an M-NTC right now, and I'm sure that includes SJ. He'd have to waive the NTC, but for those personal reasons, it's not happening. He could be waived right now and the Sharks claim, but right now the Sharks actually don't have enough cap space for him.

It's only realistic to consider Trouba to the Sharks when he becomes a UFA in the 2026 offseason. Then I'm sure we'll get a ton of discussion as to whether the Sharks should sign him as a "veteran presence" or something.

The Sharks absolutely have cap space. They can go into LTIR with the $15 million in Couture and Vlasic.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Trouba a worthwhile gamble? Pluck an asset (re-Walman)

I looked into his underlying metrics and they weren't as awful as I was expecting.

Good skating physical 6'3 RHD that brings a tonne of leadership and swagger/confidence to empower our young guys.

JFresh card doesn't like him but so far this season amongst their top 6 D he's ranked--

2nd in expected GA/60 only behind K Miller
4th in HDCA
4th in SCA/60

He is riding favorable PDO, but that's compounded with the lowest rates of OZone starts on the team. He tanks tough match-ups and does okay against them. Also the risk of a <2 year deal is mitigatable.

Would help with the LHD/RHD disparity heading into next season as well with some permutation of (RHD): Liljegren, Trouba, Thompson | (LHD): Walman, Ferraro, Cagnoni/Mukhamadullin

Although, maybe he isn't down. Allegedly rejected the chance to go to Detroit last summer.

I didn't read anything you just wrote but I love your avatar!!

 

[OrrNumber4]

Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Mukhamadullin/Thrun-Rutta/Thompson

Puck-moving ability on every pairing.

 

[PeePeeMcGee]

Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Mukhamadullin/Thrun-Rutta/Thompson

Puck-moving ability on every pairing.

I'd be very uncomfortable with a Ferraro - Liljegren pairing from a zone exit standpoint

 

[timorous me]

I'd be very uncomfortable with a Ferraro - Liljegren pairing from a zone exit standpoint

More uncomfortable than with the Ferraro - Rutta pairing from that standpoint??

 

[tiburon12]

Or Grier could have decided to trade Timo and Reinhart (and gotten a haul). It would have still been a good trade in terms of value IMO.

That would have changed the fabric of the franchise too much to even speculate where we would be today. I'm OK in this reality

 

[Friday]

More uncomfortable than with the Ferraro - Rutta pairing from that standpoint??

Rutta needs to sit. Unless we're trying to tank then he should play

 

[coooldude]

I'd be very uncomfortable with a Ferraro - Liljegren pairing from a zone exit standpoint

One of Liljegren's apparent skills is DZ puck recoveries and exits. Someone posted one of his player cards and those two skills were his top skills.

Toronto fans seem to disagree, so it'll be interesting to see how he looks in SJ, but I think anything will be an upgrade over Rutta and Ferraro will hopefully be able to play a bit more in his lane if he has a partner who can actually recover pucks, create space, and generate a clean exit.

As a sidenote, I thought that by the eye test, all of our players did a better job last night on being patient and finding the right zone exit play. That said... we were playing the Hawks, and their forecheck maybe wasn't as effective as an actual good NHL team would be.

 

[cheechoo]

I didn't read anything you just wrote but I love your avatar!!

yours >>>>

 

[Star Platinum]

One of Liljegren's apparent skills is DZ puck recoveries and exits. Someone posted one of his player cards and those two skills were his top skills.

Toronto fans seem to disagree, so it'll be interesting to see how he looks in SJ, but I think anything will be an upgrade over Rutta and Ferraro will hopefully be able to play a bit more in his lane if he has a partner who can actually recover pucks, create space, and generate a clean exit.

As a sidenote, I thought that by the eye test, all of our players did a better job last night on being patient and finding the right zone exit play. That said... we were playing the Hawks, and their forecheck maybe wasn't as effective as an actual good NHL team would be.

We exited the defensive zone last night?

 

[Slats432]

Guys, I didn't think this deserved a new thread, but what is up with Kostin. Many on the Oilers board would love to have the guy back, but healthy scratched recently? What is up with him?

 

[Star Platinum]

Guys, I didn't think this deserved a new thread, but what is up with Kostin. Many on the Oilers board would love to have the guy back, but healthy scratched recently? What is up with him?

Make us an offer

 

[Slats432]

Make us an offer

I have no idea what he is worth to you, just wondering if he is still a player.

 

[Lebanezer]

I have no idea what he is worth to you, just wondering if he is still a player.

He has not played well at all. I'm not sure if it's low energy or low effort, but he's been quite poor. He hasn't earned a spot to play with better linemates so he's mostly played on the 4th line, and struggled.

 

[Bizz]

Guys, I didn't think this deserved a new thread, but what is up with Kostin. Many on the Oilers board would love to have the guy back, but healthy scratched recently? What is up with him?

He's far and away been the worst Sharks forward this season, and that's saying something.

You can literally have him back for free. He's trash.