Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

OrrNumber4 · 2024-10-31T16:12:21-0400

hohosaregood said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1852035295266459692

Shout out to Eklund. He's had a really good start to this season and looking at the stats and hockeyviz stuff, he's arguably the best of the 2021 draft class so far this year. Such a responsible two way winger and there's most likely another level to his offensive game. Love his trajectory so far.

DW jr good?

Hodge · 2024-10-31T16:17:55-0400

OrrNumber4 said:
DW jr good?

Don't look up Brandt Clarke's stats.

Patty Ice · 2024-10-31T19:10:03-0400

Hodge said:
Don't look up Brandt Clarke's stats.

I was gonna say.

Guenther is having himself a season as well.

Hodge · 2024-10-31T19:14:27-0400

Patty Ice said:
I was gonna say.

Guenther is having himself a season as well.

Also let's not forget that according to a Buffalo Sabres behind the scenes draft video, we turned down an offer of Sam Reinhart and the 14th pick for pick 7.

TheBeard · 2024-10-31T19:31:36-0400

Hodge said:
Also let's not forget that according to a Buffalo Sabres behind the scenes draft video, we turned down an offer of Sam Reinhart and the 14th pick for pick 7.

What would Sam have done for us? It would have been a bad trade

Hodge · 2024-10-31T19:35:46-0400

TheBeard said:
What would Sam have done for us? It would have been a bad trade

Played on our top line for a decade? He was only 25 at the time. Plus we would have still gotten the 14th pick (likely taking Wallstedt) out of it.

TheBeard · 2024-10-31T19:38:01-0400

Hodge said:
Played on our top line for a decade? He was only 25 at the time. Plus we would have still gotten the 14th pick (likely taking Wallstedt) out of it.

If we do that then the team probably doesn't trade Timo and then we're in a way worse position.

Hodge · 2024-10-31T19:41:52-0400

TheBeard said:
If we do that then the team probably doesn't trade Timo and then we're in a way worse position.

Or Grier could have decided to trade Timo and Reinhart (and gotten a haul). It would have still been a good trade in terms of value IMO.

cheechoo · 2024-10-31T19:56:48-0400

Trouba a worthwhile gamble? Pluck an asset (re-Walman)

I looked into his underlying metrics and they weren't as awful as I was expecting.

Good skating physical 6'3 RHD that brings a tonne of leadership and swagger/confidence to empower our young guys.

JFresh card doesn't like him but so far this season amongst their top 6 D he's ranked--

2nd in expected GA/60 only behind K Miller
4th in HDCA
4th in SCA/60

He is riding favorable PDO, but that's compounded with the lowest rates of OZone starts on the team. He tanks tough match-ups and does okay against them. Also the risk of a <2 year deal is mitigatable.

Would help with the LHD/RHD disparity heading into next season as well with some permutation of (RHD): Liljegren, Trouba, Thompson | (LHD): Walman, Ferraro, Cagnoni/Mukhamadullin

Although, maybe he isn't down. Allegedly rejected the chance to go to Detroit last summer.

TheBeard · 2024-10-31T20:03:03-0400

Hodge said:
Or Grier could have decided to trade Timo and Reinhart (and gotten a haul). It would have still been a good trade in terms of value IMO.

Reinharts numbers would have been on par with what he was doing in Buffalo (20-25 goals) than what he was doing on a stacked Florida team. Maybe we end up with a late first and a B prospect as a rental last year because no way he re-signs with the sharks.

ChompChomp · 2024-10-31T20:14:32-0400

cheechoo said:
Trouba a worthwhile gamble? Pluck an asset (re-Walman)

I looked into his underlying metrics and they weren't as awful as I was expecting.

Good skating physical 6'3 RHD that brings a tonne of leadership and swagger/confidence to empower our young guys.

JFresh card doesn't like him but so far this season amongst their top 6 D he's ranked--

2nd in expected GA/60 only behind K Miller
4th in HDCA
4th in SCA/60

He is riding favorable PDO, but that's compounded with the lowest rates of OZone starts on the team. He tanks tough match-ups and does okay against them. Also the risk of a <2 year deal is mitigatable.

Would help with the LHD/RHD disparity heading into next season as well with some permutation of (RHD): Liljegren, Trouba, Thompson | (LHD): Walman, Ferraro, Cagnoni/Mukhamadullin

Although, maybe he isn't down. Allegedly rejected the chance to go to Detroit last summer.

Trouba has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Do a search and read pages and pages on it.

I will just remind everyone, again, that Trouba's wife has a medical residency in NY. They don't want to go anywhere right now. When that residency ends, maybe, but for now he has been clear he doesn't want to move. He's on an M-NTC right now, and I'm sure that includes SJ. He'd have to waive the NTC, but for those personal reasons, it's not happening. He could be waived right now and the Sharks claim, but right now the Sharks actually don't have enough cap space for him.

It's only realistic to consider Trouba to the Sharks when he becomes a UFA in the 2026 offseason. Then I'm sure we'll get a ton of discussion as to whether the Sharks should sign him as a "veteran presence" or something.

TheBeard · 2024-10-31T20:55:28-0400

ChompChomp said:
Trouba has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Do a search and read pages and pages on it.

I will just remind everyone, again, that Trouba's wife has a medical residency in NY. They don't want to go anywhere right now. When that residency ends, maybe, but for now he has been clear he doesn't want to move. He's on an M-NTC right now, and I'm sure that includes SJ. He'd have to waive the NTC, but for those personal reasons, it's not happening. He could be waived right now and the Sharks claim, but right now the Sharks actually don't have enough cap space for him.

It's only realistic to consider Trouba to the Sharks when he becomes a UFA in the 2026 offseason. Then I'm sure we'll get a ton of discussion as to whether the Sharks should sign him as a "veteran presence" or something.

I thought his wife’s residency was done after this year and he’d be open to waiving next offseason.

gaucholoco3 · 2024-10-31T21:25:31-0400

ChompChomp said:
Trouba has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread. Do a search and read pages and pages on it.

I will just remind everyone, again, that Trouba's wife has a medical residency in NY. They don't want to go anywhere right now. When that residency ends, maybe, but for now he has been clear he doesn't want to move. He's on an M-NTC right now, and I'm sure that includes SJ. He'd have to waive the NTC, but for those personal reasons, it's not happening. He could be waived right now and the Sharks claim, but right now the Sharks actually don't have enough cap space for him.

It's only realistic to consider Trouba to the Sharks when he becomes a UFA in the 2026 offseason. Then I'm sure we'll get a ton of discussion as to whether the Sharks should sign him as a "veteran presence" or something.

The Sharks absolutely have cap space. They can go into LTIR with the $15 million in Couture and Vlasic.

hotcabbagesoup · 2024-10-31T22:52:58-0400

cheechoo said:
Trouba a worthwhile gamble? Pluck an asset (re-Walman)

I looked into his underlying metrics and they weren't as awful as I was expecting.

Good skating physical 6'3 RHD that brings a tonne of leadership and swagger/confidence to empower our young guys.

JFresh card doesn't like him but so far this season amongst their top 6 D he's ranked--

2nd in expected GA/60 only behind K Miller
4th in HDCA
4th in SCA/60

He is riding favorable PDO, but that's compounded with the lowest rates of OZone starts on the team. He tanks tough match-ups and does okay against them. Also the risk of a <2 year deal is mitigatable.

Would help with the LHD/RHD disparity heading into next season as well with some permutation of (RHD): Liljegren, Trouba, Thompson | (LHD): Walman, Ferraro, Cagnoni/Mukhamadullin

Although, maybe he isn't down. Allegedly rejected the chance to go to Detroit last summer.

I didn't read anything you just wrote but I love your avatar!!

OrrNumber4 · 2024-11-01T01:01:47-0400

Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Mukhamadullin/Thrun-Rutta/Thompson

Puck-moving ability on every pairing.

PeePeeMcGee · 2024-11-01T04:55:51-0400

OrrNumber4 said:
Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Mukhamadullin/Thrun-Rutta/Thompson

Puck-moving ability on every pairing.

I'd be very uncomfortable with a Ferraro - Liljegren pairing from a zone exit standpoint

timorous me · 2024-11-01T05:52:03-0400

PeePeeMcGee said:
I'd be very uncomfortable with a Ferraro - Liljegren pairing from a zone exit standpoint

More uncomfortable than with the Ferraro - Rutta pairing from that standpoint??

tiburon12 · 2024-11-01T07:04:40-0400

Hodge said:
Or Grier could have decided to trade Timo and Reinhart (and gotten a haul). It would have still been a good trade in terms of value IMO.

That would have changed the fabric of the franchise too much to even speculate where we would be today. I'm OK in this reality

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