2022/23 Roster Thread XVI: Suite 16, Room for Improvement

[Beef Invictus]

How much longer do we think it’ll take the Flyers to figure out that Noah Cates isn’t great at Center? Another 3 months?


The Flyers = the forcing a round peg into a square hole brigade

They don't care that he doesn't produce at all at center. They hate offense. They care that he "looks right" while doing it

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's only because Chuck Fletcher was the one trading him. Maybe a competent GM could've gotten more/different than Atkinson.

That's not even a maybe. It's a certainty. Voracek at the time had been nearly the best RW of the decade.

Fletcher has the ingenuity of a salted slug.

 

[Curufinwe]

What's the alternative at center?

Laughton, looks worse at center than Cates, has only played well in the 4C role where he can focus on the forecheck.
Hayes, can't skate well enough in this scheme to play center

Complete nonsense from a shameless liar.

You spent 3 years touting Hayes as a proper 2C and now you’re pretending he can’t be a C at all simply because you have no actual thoughts of your own, and only exist to invent rationales for whatever Flyers management does, even if those arguments are the exact opposite of arguments you made previously.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

That's not even a maybe. It's a certainty. Voracek at the time had been nearly the best RW of the decade.

Fletcher has the ingenuity of a salted slug.

Then why were teams not interested in him over the years? Never not 1 rumor in any capacity that I can recall. He produced yet teams stayed away.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Then why were teams not interested in him over the years? Never not 1 rumor in any capacity that I can recall. He produced yet teams stayed away.

Because he was nearly the best at his position and wasn't available. Same reason there was never rumors about Giroux.

 

[Rebels57]

Complete nonsense from a shameless liar.

You spent 3 years touting Hayes as a proper 2C and now you’re pretending he can’t be a C at all simply because you have no actual thoughts of your own, and only exist to invent rationales for whatever Flyers management does, even if those arguments are the exact opposite of arguments you made previously.

Sounds like a bad person to me.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Because he was nearly the best at his position and wasn't available. Same reason there was never rumors about Giroux.

To borrow one of your phrases, any proof he wasn't available? He was last summer and all they could get was Cam. Not a player who was ever in demand. Very odd.

Almost anyone is always available. As Ted Dibiase said, we all have a price. So that seems like not a valid reason. Even players who aren't "available" you hear about teams inquiring do you not?

Giroux having NTC is a possibility why he was never made available no?

 

[Striiker]

You never hear trade rumors about McDavid…

Teams must not want him.

 

[captainpaxil]

My all hopium team still probably doesn't make the playoffs. The difference between getting back coots or having to keep Hayes could be a top five vs top ten pick

Farabee frost tk
Laughton Gautier brink
Cates veteran c tippet
Wisdom job Foerster
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Sanheim tda
Provy zamula
York andrae
Attard

Hart
Ersson

 

[Beef Invictus]

To borrow one of your phrases, any proof he wasn't available? He was last summer and all they could get was Cam. Not a player who was ever in demand. Very odd.

Almost anyone is always available. As Ted Dibiase said, we all have a price. So that seems like not a valid reason. Even players who aren't "available" you hear about teams inquiring do you not?

Giroux having NTC is a possibility why he was never made available no?

This is kind of a ridiculous conversation. You are as aware as I am that the team was trying to be competitive. Hence why there are no rumors around Couturier, either.

 

[FlyerNutter]

ASF: There are people in the organization, that want to see other people currently in the organization fail.

 

[Magua]

ASF: There are people in the organization, that want to see other people currently in the organization fail.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

You never hear trade rumors about McDavid…

Teams must not want him.

clearly not NHL caliber... hahaaa

 

[blackjackmulligan]

This is kind of a ridiculous conversation. You are as aware as I am that the team was trying to be competitive. Hence why there are no rumors around Couturier, either.

No proof. Understood.

Then why such low return when he was traded? Talented player. Not one you win with, something teams recognize.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No proof. Understood.

Then why such low return when he was traded? Talented player. Not one you win with, something teams recognize.

Because Fletcher always loses trades. You know this too.

 

[Striiker]

Whatever Fletcher gets in return for players is their true value. He doesn't make mistakes, which is why he's a flawless evaluator and negotiator.

Obviously he couldn't have done any better because it was Voracek's value that was the problem, not the guy making the trade. Atkinson was the only/best possible return. No other/better options existed.

Same as Ghost must be a negative value player, since that's the trade Fletcher made.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Because Fletcher always loses trades. You know this too.

Yes he does, though has nothing to do with what was posted.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

You never hear trade rumors about McDavid…

Teams must not want him.

Great example. Were you a Bobby Abreau fan as well?

My all hopium team still probably doesn't make the playoffs. The difference between getting back coots or having to keep Hayes could be a top five vs top ten pick

Farabee frost tk
Laughton Gautier brink
Cates veteran c tippet
Wisdom job Foerster
Macewen

Sanheim tda
Provy zamula
York andrae
Attard

Hart
Ersson

What year do you want this line to take shape? Doesn't look to impressive at all

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Whatever Fletcher gets in return for players is their true value. He doesn't make mistakes, which is why he's a flawless evaluator and negotiator.

Obviously he couldn't have done any better because it was Voracek's value that was the problem, not the guy making the trade. Atkinson was the only/best possible return. No other/better options existed.

Same as Ghost must be a negative value player, since that's the trade Fletcher made.

Ghost had negative value. That is a fact. What he has done since the trade doesn't change that.

Do you now of any other possible options? If so please share.

 

[captainpaxil]

What year do you want this line to take shape? Doesn't look to impressive at all

Maybe the all hopium team should be it's own thread but I was trying to do next year's ideal roster most of which we could see the end of this season.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Maybe the all hopium team should be it's own thread but I was trying to do next year's ideal roster most of which we could see the end of this season.

That roster will def be a bottom of the league imo. Many of these players have no shot to be on the opening night roster next season to me.

Couturier should be back, no pun intended. To what level we shall see. He will need at least a year to get back to somewhat normal IMO after missing 1.5 years.

 

[Doodootheclown]

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Seeing this makes me wish I had the photoshop skills to put Coots into the "Dr. says I need a backiotomy" scene

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yes he does, though has nothing to do with what was posted.

You're pretty obviously arguing for the sake of arguing.

Is Voracek another player you have an irrational dislike for? I mean, we never hear trade rumors for Ovechkin or Crosby, so that must mean nobody wants them right?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The Venn diagram of "Tony D is a great guy" and "You can't win with Bobby Abreu" takes is a circle that magic eyes to a pentagram.

 

[FlyerNutter]

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