2022/23 Roster Thread XIX: 19th Nervous Breakdown

[Flyerfan4life]

we will see who is running things, Torts or the GM.

Normal peeps hire a president first and allow them to hire a GM. Flyers doing it backwards it seems.

Glad they are leaving no stone unturned in the GM search. Will they even interview anyone?

prolly 1 quick phonecall! then just give the keys to Briere.

#exhaustivesearch

 

[Ghosts Beer]

You also think Fletch is a good GM.

What do you get out of acting like a dick, when I'm defending a person I think is a good, smart human, unfairly labeled a moron, and it was supported by a personal story by a poster who had an experience of Jim Jackson being a good man?

 

[Striiker]

What do you get out of acting like a dick

The unbelievable irony

“They accuse you of what they do themselves.”

There’s never been a more accurate characterization than that quote about your posting.

 

[Tripod]

What do you get out of acting like a dick, when I'm defending a person I think is a good, smart human, unfairly labeled a moron, and it was supported by a personal story by a poster who had an experience of Jim Jackson being a good man?

I was just stating a fact. Sorry that facts bother you so much.

 

[Curufinwe]

If the search still worked like it used to I bet I could have a fun day at work tomorrow looking up the funny things people used to say about Frost. A lot of them would be from this season, his first actual full season in the NHL.

 

[mja]

I was just stating a fact. Sorry that facts bother you so much.

They really do, don't they?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Trying to piece together what you could feasibly do over the offseason to make a more watchable, likeable roster for next year while still stating firmly bottom-10.

JvR obviously walks. You trade Hayes for a bag of Skittles and let them keep the change. Send Provorov wherever, try to get a young C prospect and a pick that doesn't suck. Same deal with Hart, for me. No good for tank, bound to be tragic, trade him. I probably hang onto Konecny at least until the deadline.

Leaves you with something like:

Farabee-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Frost-Tippett
Laughton-Cates-Brink?
Deslauriers-?-Allison

Sanheim-Risto
York-?
Seeler-DeAngelo

Ersson
Awful veteran journeyman

I'm just considering Atkinson dead. I gotta say, outside of one obvious name I don't hate any of the forwards. And also, that defense is absolutely horrific, holy shit. Would Foerster or Brink get a full season? A look for Zamula, Attard, maybe evem Andrae on defense? Who the f*** knows, they could add some journeyman slop in those holes, too.

But yeah, I think I could kinda deal with that. Enough offensive pop and hockey sense in the forwards to be entertaining, absolutely atrocious defense to keep them drafting good.

Just subbing out some of the dumbasses for guys who think the game better will be nice.

 

[DancingPanther]

Trying to piece together what you could feasibly do over the offseason to make a more watchable, likeable roster for next year while still stating firmly bottom-10.

JvR obviously walks. You trade Hayes for a bag of Skittles and let them keep the change. Send Provorov wherever, try to get a young C prospect and a pick that doesn't suck. Same deal with Hart, for me. No good for tank, bound to be tragic, trade him. I probably hang onto Konecny at least until the deadline.

Leaves you with something like:

Farabee-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Frost-Tippett
Laughton-Cates-Brink?
Deslauriers-?-Allison

Sanheim-Risto
York-?
Seeler-DeAngelo

Ersson
Awful veteran journeyman

I'm just considering Atkinson dead. I gotta say, outside of one obvious name I don't hate any of the forwards. And also, that defense is absolutely horrific, holy shit. Would Foerster or Brink get a full season? A look for Zamula, Attard, maybe evem Andrae on defense? Who the f*** knows, they could add some journeyman slop in those holes, too.

But yeah, I think I could kinda deal with that. Enough offensive pop and hockey sense in the forwards to be entertaining, absolutely atrocious defense to keep them drafting good.

Just subbing out some of the dumbasses for guys who think the game better will be nice.

1. Hire Kimmo (or me)
2. Trade everyone
3. Suck for 3 years
4. Be mid but optimistic for 2 years
5. Be good for 10 years

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I think he's one of the best play-by-play guys in the league. Great voice, doesn't take himself too seriously and has great chemistry with everyone he works with.

Yeah I think a lot of Jacksons hockey takes are crap, but his pure announcing skills are waaaaay better then a ton of other guys in the league.

Jones is in the same boat, terrible takes but he is a solid play by play guy. Actually has the odd funny quip, doesn't walk over Jackson, good timing, smooth.

There is a reason they both (Jones a lot more) end up doing some national broadcast work.

There are a lot of other announcing duos in the league that are true overall garbage.

Really though what I want is a feed with no announcing and just game noises, that would be the dream.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If the search still worked like it used to I bet I could have a fun day at work tomorrow looking up the funny things people used to say about Frost. A lot of them would be from this season, his first actual full season in the NHL.

He's doing pretty well for a full-on bust.

 

[deadhead]

Does Torts sound unhappy with Frost?

"Positioning, body position, battles — just a 200-foot player," Tortorella said about Frost's areas of improvement. "We know he has skill. We need to keep on seeing the skill. But for a coach to put a player on the ice that he’s still not sure of, that other stuff has to be sound. And I think he has really improved there."

Led by Frost's 2-goal night, Flyers punctuate 5-1-1 homestand

The Flyers went an impressive 5-1-1 on their homestand after beating the Canadiens, 3-2, Tuesday night, a victory led by Morgan Frost. By Jordan Hall

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Rich Nixon]

Yeah I think a lot of Jacksons hockey takes are crap, but his pure announcing skills are waaaaay better then a ton of other guys in the league.

Jones is in the same boat, terrible takes but he is a solid play by play guy. Actually has the odd funny quip, doesn't walk over Jackson, good timing, smooth.

There is a reason they both (Jones a lot more) end up doing some national broadcast work.

There are a lot of other announcing duos in the league that are true overall garbage.

Really though what I want is a feed with no announcing and just game noises, that would be the dream.

I hate listening to those two now but this is 100% accurate, they are technically quite good at rolling out a smooth, professional broadcast, and by all accounts are just fabulous guys. It's the habits and fixations that Jackson has developed that make him hard to listen to now. And I don't even blame him for getting like this, the last decade has sucked and he's had to call these boring, dickless games the whole time. He's a fan too.

I honestly would love for him to get more national work, where he could kinda recalibrate and just have fun and not have to feel himself die inside for 3 periods at a time.

 

[Lindberg]

If the search still worked like it used to I bet I could have a fun day at work tomorrow looking up the funny things people used to say about Frost. A lot of them would be from this season, his first actual full season in the NHL.

Sounds like you need a new job or you've automated it so much you're on cruise control.

 

[ponder719]

I hate listening to those two now but this is 100% accurate, they are technically quite good at rolling out a smooth, professional broadcast, and by all accounts are just fabulous guys. It's the habits and fixations that Jackson has developed that make him hard to listen to now. And I don't even blame him for getting like this, the last decade has sucked and he's had to call these boring, dickless games the whole time. He's a fan too.

I honestly would love for him to get more national work, where he could kinda recalibrate and just have fun and not have to feel himself die inside for 3 periods at a time.

I can't help but feel like what Jackson needs is a sabbatical from the Flyers, and a couple years broadcasting baseball as his primary job. I remember him being pretty good at that, too, and it'd give him some time to completely disconnect from hockey and refocus himself. Then, when he comes back, he'd be able to look at everything with fresh eyes.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I can't help but feel like what Jackson needs is a sabbatical from the Flyers, and a couple years broadcasting baseball as his primary job. I remember him being pretty good at that, too, and it'd give him some time to completely disconnect from hockey and refocus himself. Then, when he comes back, he'd be able to look at everything with fresh eyes.

That would be sick. The Phillies broadcasts are garbage, a guy like Jackson on PBP would get a lot more out of the other people on them. With someone like Kruk you kinda have to coax the funny out of him and steer him away from the boneheaded or problematic. Those old bulls need a competent handler (like how Gary Cohen tickles Keith Hernandez into being a goofball instead of an asshole most of the time). I think Jackson would be quite good at that. Get Taryn in the mix and you might have a single good broadcast on NBC Sports Philly.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I hate listening to those two now but this is 100% accurate, they are technically quite good at rolling out a smooth, professional broadcast, and by all accounts are just fabulous guys. It's the habits and fixations that Jackson has developed that make him hard to listen to now. And I don't even blame him for getting like this, the last decade has sucked and he's had to call these boring, dickless games the whole time. He's a fan too.

I honestly would love for him to get more national work, where he could kinda recalibrate and just have fun and not have to feel himself die inside for 3 periods at a time.

And there's been enough accidental hot mics where we hear that he is indeed dying

He is also certainly being fed specific things to push. I don't know if every org does that, but it's certainly yet another way the Flyers are like DC Football

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Does Torts sound unhappy with Frost?

"Positioning, body position, battles — just a 200-foot player," Tortorella said about Frost's areas of improvement. "We know he has skill. We need to keep on seeing the skill. But for a coach to put a player on the ice that he’s still not sure of, that other stuff has to be sound. And I think he has really improved there."

Led by Frost's 2-goal night, Flyers punctuate 5-1-1 homestand

The Flyers went an impressive 5-1-1 on their homestand after beating the Canadiens, 3-2, Tuesday night, a victory led by Morgan Frost. By Jordan Hall

www.nbcsports.com

Yes. The guy is FINALLY putting together a string of consistent play, and he shits all over him. It will be interesting to see what side of this Briere falls on.

 

[Beef Invictus]

ROFL yeah that was the least glowing endorsement ever.

 

[deadhead]

Trying to piece together what you could feasibly do over the offseason to make a more watchable, likeable roster for next year while still stating firmly bottom-10.

JvR obviously walks. You trade Hayes for a bag of Skittles and let them keep the change. Send Provorov wherever, try to get a young C prospect and a pick that doesn't suck. Same deal with Hart, for me. No good for tank, bound to be tragic, trade him. I probably hang onto Konecny at least until the deadline.

Leaves you with something like:

Farabee-Couturier-Konecny
Foerster-Frost-Tippett
Laughton-Cates-Brink?
Deslauriers-?-Allison

Sanheim-Risto
York-?
Seeler-DeAngelo

Ersson
Awful veteran journeyman

I'm just considering Atkinson dead. I gotta say, outside of one obvious name I don't hate any of the forwards. And also, that defense is absolutely horrific, holy shit. Would Foerster or Brink get a full season? A look for Zamula, Attard, maybe evem Andrae on defense? Who the f*** knows, they could add some journeyman slop in those holes, too.

But yeah, I think I could kinda deal with that. Enough offensive pop and hockey sense in the forwards to be entertaining, absolutely atrocious defense to keep them drafting good.

Just subbing out some of the dumbasses for guys who think the game better will be nice.

JVR and Hayes are gone. Provorov is probably gone.

Laughton is trickier, not so much that Torts loves him, but they have a paucity of LWs.

Hart will depend on Fedotov, Kosolov and how Sandstrom looks (I expect him to get 3-4 more games, remember, before injuries he was a top goalie prospect.) They're not going to bet on Ersson without a fall back plan.

TK is ??? They have a surplus of RWs, he has a lot of value, but they really like him.

Atkinson should be 100% (year to heal his shoulder, legs should be refreshed with a year off).

Farabee - Couturier - Konecny
Atkinson - Frost - Tippett
Laughton - Cates - Foerster (Brink?)
Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison
Lycksell, Laczynski

York - Attard?
Sanheim - Risto
Zamula/Seeler - TDA
Andrae in the wings (up by Christmas)

Ersson
Sandstrom
with Fedotov, Kosolov in LHV

If I were to bet on a veteran patch, it would be a RHD and or LW.
Also, if they trade Provorov and Hart/TK, they should obtain at least one NHL ready prospect in return.
If they clear some cap, they might also do a draft pick(s) for RFA deal from a cap strapped team.

Yes. The guy is FINALLY putting together a string of consistent play, and he shits all over him. It will be interesting to see what side of this Briere falls on.

Huh what? Torts just said Frost has "really improved there." That's "shitting all over him?"

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Huh what? Torts just said Frost has "really improved there." That's "shitting all over him?"

To me, it was pretty ambivalent. He goes out of his way to NOT praise him. But if you ask him about a waste of space like Laughton who coughed up the puck for MTL's only goal, you'll get rave reviews.

 

[Rich Nixon]

To me, it was pretty ambivalent. He goes out of his way to NOT praise him. But if you ask him about a waste of space like Laughton who coughed up the puck for MTL's only goal, you'll get rave reviews.

I had the postgame show with Torts presser on in the background while I picked at some work last night. He was absolutely not shitting on him or being ambivalent. He spoke pretty highly of Frost.

 

[Bigkarl]

I can't help but feel like what Jackson needs is a sabbatical from the Flyers, and a couple years broadcasting baseball as his primary job. I remember him being pretty good at that, too, and it'd give him some time to completely disconnect from hockey and refocus himself. Then, when he comes back, he'd be able to look at everything with fresh eyes.

Yeah, I’d say he’s a guy who loves his job and loves the flyers and enjoys interacting with Flyers fans. I have a hard time beating him up too much for being a good soldier and following the company line, but I get that the blind homerism and obvious agendas have made it tough to listen to.

I’d bet if you ever got him in a truly off the record situation and could get his real opinions, his takes would be much better.

In fact, wasn’t there a “hot mic” type moment a few years ago when him and Jones were basically ripping Hak and the team?

 

[flyerslducks]

So stupid people want to see a “culture being built the right way” with few games left. It’s not gunna happen. Going into a rebuild, many of these players will be traded and recycled. We’re gunna be losing for years, that’s the only culture we will build. A losing one.

Hopefully couts can be healthy and thentraded so he can try to get a few years of playoffs in. Dude can be beneficial for any playoff team.

 

[Curufinwe]

Interesting comment from Meltzer on his Buzz blog today. He was replying to a barely sentient, slug-type creature who disputed the notion that Frost ever played on a line with Deslauriers and MacEwen.

HockeyBuzz.com - Forums - Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Frost Sparks 3-2 Win over Canadiens

www.hockeybuzz.com

Oct 23 vs. SJ: On 4th line in 1st and 2nd periods, 8:01 TOI through two perioods. Moved up and played a lot in the third period because TK and Hayes were benched throughout the 3rd pd. Had two point blank chances in 3rd pd. Neither went in.
Oct. 27 vs. FLA: 7:43 TOI, 12 shifts
Oct. 29 vs. CAR: 11:41 TOI (had a 2nd pd breakaway but didn't score. Did get a few 3rd pd shifts with Laughton)
Nov. 1 @ NYR: 12:24 TOI (did see some PP time and one OT shift with Tippett)
Nov 2 @ TOR: healthy scratch with his parents in the stands
Nov 5 @ OTT: 10:04 TOI, 14 shifts (MacEwen scored a goal; Frost was part of the forechecking sequence but did not get an assist)
Nov 8 vs STL: 10:01 TOI
Nov 10 @ CBJ: 8:37 TOI -- there's a back story to this, but this was the beginning of a turning point because Hockey Ops wanted Frost playing more than this with more skill around him.
Nov 12 vs. OTT: 10:43 TOI (still on 4th line but did get back on the power play)
Nov 13 vs DAL: Started on the 4th line, moved up in latter 2nd pd onward. Finished with 12:53 TOI.

10 game stretch -- mostly 4th line in nine, healthy scratched in one.

 

[deadhead]

I had the postgane show with Torts presser on in the background while I picked at some work last night. He was absolutely noy shitting on him or being ambivalent. He spoke pretty highly of Frost.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a knee jerk response.

Fans just aren't used to Torts' style, funny thing is, most of his players get used to it.
He pushes players to get more out of them, a few can't handle it, most are uncomfortable at first, then realize they're uncomfortable b/c they're not used to a HC consistently demanding they get better.

He's pushed all the young players, Tippett to be more consistent, Frost to put consistent effort away from the puck, Allison to play more of a north-south game (face it, he lacks the skill level to play a skill game), York to be more aggressive in the O-zone, and so on. When he stops pushing a player, I suspect he's either very happy (Cates) or has given up on the player (Hayes) or accepts their limitations (Laughton). While it's easy to get into Torts' doghouse, it's also easy to get out of it - compare to AV, for example.

One thing that jumps out at me watching the games this year, whenever an opposing team has an odd man rush, Flyers players quickly show up on the screen and end the opposing team's number advantage - that's the result of the emphasis on backchecking - when Flyers see the puck going the opposite direction they fly down the ice to get back into the play. Compare to previous seasons.