Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Help Wanted

[McAsuno]

Say what you will about Vegas, they have loyalty to nobody and will do anything to win. If you suck, you're out the door. There was a lot of grumbling about their treatment of MAF while conveniently forgetting that he cost them that series against Montreal. They let their Conn Smythe winner walk and didn't miss a beat. They do their homework. Meanwhile we throw darts at the board...

We're afraid of hurting poor wittle precious feelwingsss. If Kane for an example is being a toxic bitch and holding out on this team on getting more cap space because he wants to be selfish and play, McCrimmon would've told him to f*** off and traded his ass already.

 

[Soundwave]

Say what you will about Vegas, they have loyalty to nobody and will do anything to win. If you suck, you're out the door. There was a lot of grumbling about their treatment of MAF while conveniently forgetting that he cost them that series against Montreal. They let their Conn Smythe winner walk and didn't miss a beat. They do their homework. Meanwhile we throw darts at the board...

Oilers management: Wait a second ... you're telling me there's a BOARD for the darts?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We're afraid of hurting poor wittle precious feelwingsss. If Kane for an example is being a toxic bitch and holding out on this team on getting more cap space because he wants to be selfish and play, McCrimmon would've told him to f*** off and traded his ass already.

The entire team's plan this season hinged on Kane not playing. We're less than a week away and we still don't know if he's playing or not. Meanwhile there's still holes to fill (some very annoyingly not filled by their many waiver wire pickups)...

They have no foresight. They had no contingency plan. This is why the Oilers fail year after year. They get laser focused on one thing and never consider other options. And if they fail this year it's tough to say they didn't deserve it.

 

[guymez]

Good GM's find a way. Either put up or shut up when you have McDrai in a cup window rather than go for the bare minimum in a bottom 6 grit plug.
Absolutely tired of always hearing but muh cap space. Who's fault is that? Oilers shoot themselves in the foot and then make excuses on why it happened. Enough.

I am not saying that it isnt the managements fault that they have such limited cap space.
It obviously is their fault...they f**ked this up..
That said you cant deny the reality that they don thave any cap space and therfore its a dollar in dollar out situation.

I dont like that reality either but it is what it is.

 

[Arpeggio]

What "top six forward" is available for dirt cheap?

I have no idea, but if Rishaug is correct, that's what they're looking at. Generally there are more options to acquire up front than in net, so I imagine there are a few options they could get with retention. We disagree on Gibson, I think it's a huge risk to make that your only addition, and one you have to stick with for multiple seasons. The kid from Utah made a lot more sense to me, but that ship has seemingly sailed. I know why you think Gibson is the way to go, I just don't see it that way, but would be very interested in seeing it play out if they did get him.

 

[McAsuno]

The entire team's plan this season hinged on Kane not playing. We're less than a week away and we still don't know if he's playing or not. Meanwhile there's still holes to fill (some very annoyingly not filled by their many waiver wire pickups)...

They have no foresight. They had no contingency plan. This is why the Oilers fail year after year. They get laser focused on one thing and never consider other options. And if they fail this year it's tough to say they didn't deserve it.

Pretty much agree with everything you said 100%.

I am not saying that it isnt the managements fault that they have such limited cap space.
It obviously is their fault...they f**ked this up..
That said you cant deny the reality that they don thave any cap space and therfore its a dollar in dollar out situation.

I dont like that reality either but it is what it is.

I know its reality, brother. It's just tiresome always having to relieve every year while other teams always find ways to make it work even if they're up to the cap or have limited assets.

 

[Oilhawks]

I don't have much faith when the media is already starting their annual 'dollar in dollar out' excuses.

It'll just be for a depth d, and a bottom 6 grit plug followed up with "Well Stan Bowman didn't have much to work with, because his team is up to the cap so they did their best since they're in a dollar in dollar out situation."

That list is a waste of assets. Keep the powder dry and let JJ eat his mistakes at this point

 

[McDoused]

That list is a waste of assets. Keep the powder dry and let JJ eat his mistakes at this point

I hate that I'm saying this but all these NMC's changed things.

I think you just run with the guys that you had last year and then make changes during the off-season. Maybe pick up a couple depth pieces but you can't do this kind of surgery at the deadline.

 

[Jarvi]

Maybe it's Bouchard?

Doubtful imo. He gets all the minutes he wants, a PP with 2 of the best players in the world to pump his stats, and a partner that fits his game well. Plus, I think it would be a bad look for contract negotiations to show he is the type of guy to demand a trade.

I could see Kane, because of the disconnect between him and management and how they have also treated J. Skinner. If he thinks he will just get scratched or be buried on the 4th line, I can see him wanting out. But he will also be near 36 when his next deal is due, so I can see him wanting to just be on a winner, even if it's not good for his stats because he may be too old for anyone by then. That's why I could see Connor being the guy. Fed up with our incompetent management, swayed during the 4 nations by some player on a winning franchise. Comes back and looks like shit, and if the team caught wind of it, that would explain their play as well.

 

[McAsuno]

That list is a waste of assets. Keep the powder dry and let JJ eat his mistakes at this point

They won't. They're gonna trade for at most a Carrick/Bjugstad 2.0 grit plug and a depth D, then they'll call it a day. No optimism or expectations. Already expecting the 'oilers most likely gonna have a quiet trade deadline' tweets in the next upcoming days from our dumb ass media members that couldn't even know that the oilers have NMC on both Arvidsson and Henrique. How the f*** do they not know about stuff like that is absolutely mind-boggling.

 

[Soundwave]

Gibson's numbers without bonehead Dallas Eakins as coach (worst defensive coach I've ever seen in my life)

14-15: .914
15-16: .920
16-17: .924
17-18: .926
18-19: .918
23-24: .888
24-25: .909

I count one bad season (after years of being shelled in net) out of 7 without moron Eakins.

 

[CycloneSweep]

You're making that conclusion based on one terrible 5 game stretch. I find it hard to believe that the entire team's game went to shit basically on a dime. Beating a good Carolina team was a start, now they can build on that.

You saying it's because the players are old doesn't make it true. We won't know that until we see how they play down the stretch.

You are naive if you think it was only a 5 game stretch.
For the month of Feb the Oilers were…
Had the 31st lowest points%
Scored the 23rd most goals, allowed the 4th most goals, and had the 24th best xGF.
Hell if you move that back to mid Jan the team was a bubble team quality in that span.
Biggest issue was goaltending. But it’s been like 6 weeks of mediocre to AWFUL play.

 

[Oilhawks]

Posting that McDavid is the “secret player” to request a trade should get a ban for trolling. JMO

 

[McAsuno]

Gibson's numbers without bonehead Dallas Eakins as coach (worst defensive coach I've ever seen in my life)

14-15: .914
15-16: .920
16-17: .924
17-18: .926
18-19: .918
23-24: .888
24-25: .909

I count one bad season out of 7 without moron Eakins.

Yeah well, he's old so nty - some posters on here

 

[ArthurAnyMoreDonuts]

I don't have much faith when the media is already starting their annual 'dollar in dollar out' excuses.

It'll just be for a depth d, and a bottom 6 grit plug followed up with "Well Stan Bowman didn't have much to work with, because his team is up to the cap so they did their best since they're in a dollar in dollar out situation."

So our management is confident enough to go into the playoffs with Skinner as our starter? If someone did request a trade, I hope it was McDavid. What a dumb organization

 

[Shanahanigans]

Just looking at the 3rd lines of some other contenders around the league.

Vegas’s 3rd line C and LW, Brett Howden and Ivan Barbashev have 16 and 18 goals respectively.

Florida’s 3rd line C, Anton Lundell has 18 goals, and their 3rd line LW (rookie drafted 1st round 2021, Mackie Samosevich) has 10 goals.

Tampa Bay Lightning 3C is Nick Paul who has 18 goals.

Leafs 3C Bobby Mcmann has 18 goals (and was on waivers last year for free).

Meanwhile Henrique has 8 goals and has been a ghost all season, and our 3rd line LW Janmark has TWO!!! goals all season, one into an empty net. We don’t match up against the Vegas’s and Florida’s on D or goaltending, now they’re miles ahead of us on our one strength, which was forward depth.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I don't have much faith when the media is already starting their annual 'dollar in dollar out' excuses.

It'll just be for a depth d, and a bottom 6 grit plug followed up with "Well Stan Bowman didn't have much to work with, because his team is up to the cap so they did their best since they're in a dollar in dollar out situation."

Absolutely insane from this org.

So it’s going to be Emberson, pick for a retained Savard.
Kapanen will be gone for a 4c. Wooeeee

 

[McAsuno]

So our management is confident enough to go into the playoffs with Skinner as our starter? If someone did request a trade, I hope it was McDavid. What a dumb organization

Can't wait to hear more of Skinner and his 'I still feel good and happy about my game' when he's the main catalyst on this team getting knocked out in the playoffs.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Just looking at the 3rd lines of some other contenders around the league.

Vegas’s 3rd line C and LW, Brett Howden and Ivan Barbashev have 16 and 18 goals respectively.

Florida’s 3rd line C, Anton Lundell has 18 goals, and their 3rd line LW (rookie drafted 1st round 2021, Mackie Samosevich) has 10 goals.

Tampa Bay Lightning 3C is Nick Paul who has 18 goals.

Leafs 3C Bobby Mcmann has 18 goals (and was on waivers last year for free).

Meanwhile Henrique has 8 goals and has been a ghost all season, and our 3rd line LW Janmark has TWO!!! goals all season, one into an empty net. We don’t match up against the Vegas’s and Florida’s on D or goaltending, now they’re miles ahead of us on our one strength, which was forward depth.

We don’t have depth because we, again, don’t have a 2nd line.

 

[McAsuno]

Absolutely insane from this org.

So it’s going to be Emberson, pick for a retained Savard.
Kapanen will be gone for a 4c. Wooeeee

Watch it be Trent Frederic or Michael McCarron as the bottom 6 grit plug too.

I can already see it in the future:
"Mean ol Trent Frederic/Big boy Michael McCarron get on the ice and absolutely hammers Drew Doughty! Adrian Kempe then grabs the loose puck and scores a goal on Stuart Skinner. A goal I think Stuart would like to have back."

Rinse and repeat LOL.

 

[FlameChampion]

Just looking at the 3rd lines of some other contenders around the league.

Vegas’s 3rd line C and LW, Brett Howden and Ivan Barbashev have 16 and 18 goals respectively.

Florida’s 3rd line C, Anton Lundell has 18 goals, and their 3rd line LW (rookie drafted 1st round 2021, Mackie Samosevich) has 10 goals.

Tampa Bay Lightning 3C is Nick Paul who has 18 goals.

Leafs 3C Bobby Mcmann has 18 goals (and was on waivers last year for free).

Meanwhile Henrique has 8 goals and has been a ghost all season, and our 3rd line LW Janmark has TWO!!! goals all season, one into an empty net. We don’t match up against the Vegas’s and Florida’s on D or goaltending, now they’re miles ahead of us on our one strength, which was forward depth.

The problem is that our third line never produces so it’s hard to know how much of its roster related.

I mean Foegele, McLeod never did anything on the third line last year either.

Organization and Coaching staff aren’t able to get much out of their players.

 

[Soundwave]

I think Colorado has a big move left, they tried to get JT Miller but he killed the trade.

 

[Shanahanigans]

The problem is that our third line never produces so it’s hard to know how much of its roster related.

I mean Foegele, McLeod never did anything on the third line last year either.

Organization and Coaching staff aren’t able to get much out of their players.

McLeod and Foegele did a ton on the 3rd line. Foegele got 20 even strength goals, they were great PKers, great forecheckers, provided speed, good defensive play, everything you want from a 3rd line except for physicality with McLeod. Objectively much, much better than what we have now.

 

[belair]

Podz, Skinner and a 2nd is peanuts for an actual starting goalie.

And Blackwood isn't necessarily that starting goalie. When you're making that trade there's little guarantee that the goalie you're getting is going to perform better in the same circumstances as the goalie you're purging.

None of these guys are the handful of elite tenders in the league. They're all in the mushy middle. So we really need to stop speaking in absolutes about them.

Odds are that Skinner ends up with a stretch of solid starts prior to years end and finishes in the low 0.900s in terms of SV%. I don't think Gibson would do you much better. But I do know that the team in front of him wouldn't be as competitive without the necessary cap flexibility that keeping Skinner gives you.

If the Oilers are making a goalie move, I think you're looking at a 3.

 

[Soundwave]

McLeod and Foegele did a ton on the 3rd line. Foegele got 20 even strength goals, they were great PKers, great forecheckers, provided speed, good defensive play, everything you want from a 3rd line except for physicality with McLeod. Objectively much, much better than what we have now.

I think the poster's point is a lot of of Foegele/McLeod's production was only with Draisaitl, so not in a bottom 6 role. Their scoring pace in the playoffs was poor.