Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[Belgican]

If the Avs are trading Kadri then they need to have a subsequent plan in place to upgrade at that spot. You can't just trade him for futures or get rid of him because you're mad. If you can't get something of value back or know for certain that you can use his money for someone like Danault then I don't think you should trade him.

I proposed Reinhart

 

[redacted]

Why are people assuming Jost has hit his ceiling? He's improved every year so far.

He's not a #3C on a contending team with a low-end #2C like Kadri/Danault on the team. However, he'd be perfectly acceptable #3C if we had Hertl/Couts/etc. as our #2C. So it depends on what route we take, but I don't see the Avs getting enough center depth where Jost is our #4C without significantly sacrificing other areas of the team. IMO our biggest needs moving forward are:

1. #1G - Mainly because we don't have anyone if Gru walks. Need to figure out who his replacement is, because we can't head into next season with Francouz/JoJo tandem.
2A. 2nd pairing D - Two issues here -

• figuring out if keeping G is the right move or trading him to shore up the #2C position, or a #2/3 (Jones) that can perform in the playoffs. There may be an internal replacement in Byram/Timmins here as well, but our transition was one of our biggest issues against Vegas because Girard wilted, once again.
• if we are keeping G, it's a priority to find him a suitable partner.

2B. #2C - Are we keeping Kadri in hope he rebounds and isn't an idiot in the playoffs, or do we salvage what value we can get from him and sign Danault/trade for a higher end #2C like Hertl?
3. #1/2 LW - Landy/Bura aren't cutting it, and I think it would be a failure if we went into next season with both of them on the team again. If Landy is re-signed, they'll be taking up at least ~$13 mil in cap space, they simply don't bring enough.
4. Depth forwards - Donskoi, Compher are overpaid for what they bring to the playoffs. Nuke and Jost try hard, but can't product. Very few of our bottom 6 play a simply, heavy game. We have a bunch of internal replacements in Newhook, Ranta, Kaut, etc. but they are question marks.
5. Bottom pairing defenseman - Do we need a grittier defenseman at the expense of transition?

He really hasn't. His defense has gotten better, but he's the same if not worse offensively. Even with Hertl, the Avs will have issues with Jost at the 3C.

 

[Avs_19]

I proposed Reinhart

He's a solid player who'd help the Avs but doesn't he only play wing now? I don't watch the Sabres enough to be certain.

 

[cinchronicity]

Burakovsky isn’t going anywhere. He’s a notorious playoff performer. I realize he wasn’t this year but it’s the first time for him to go this way and realize the centre options he got to play with were Jost and Compher. This isn’t a Sam Girard situation where he becomes terrible every year in the playoffs. It’s a one off. If you start trading away players who let you down for the first time you’re going to have to turnover the entire team.

I like Jost as a 3C but only if your 2C is a high end play driver who can score. You need more than one C who can generate offense. If we have a great 2C you can gladly roll Jost as a defensive, energy 3C but if the 2C position is weak I think you need more of a baller as your 3C.

Girard sucked again. That’s 4 years in a row. But he’s still on one of the best contracts in hockey. I wouldn’t trade him just for the sake of trading him but I’m all about it if it’s a trade that absolutely makes them better. I know he’s older but LA are looking for a LHD just like Girard and Anze Kopitar would be everything we need. His contract is a killer though. But if we could get 2-3M retained or send back some more salary along with Girard I would be ok with something like that.

Graves hopefully goes in expansion

Nemeth won’t be back

Grubauer I don’t know. I might be going to fantasy land here but would you guys not offer something substantial like Girard +++ for Jones + Merzlikins?

Those are the question marks. The C position after Mackinnon, the goaltender, Girard and those two towers on the back end who hopefully sort themselves out.

I don't hate Girard like many here seem to these days. I think Bednar put him in untenable positions. And we all know my feelings about Bednar. All that said, this is a business, as much as I hate it. I love Girard's contract, but so would any other team in the league. The Avs also have Timmins, Helleson and Barron in the pipeline, and Byram ready to tale top line minutes pretty soon. Assuming they keep MacDonald around as a 7d, they have at least 1 defenseman who needs to go, and the only one who would catch the attention for the trade you mention is Girard. The big question is the identity of those '+' you have there. Would they have to add a Byram / Newhook?

 

[dahrougem2]

Agree to disagree then. If Jost puts up 40 points next season will your opinion change?

Nothing in his career suggests he's capable of hitting 40+ points so why try to bank on it? His offensive output this season even slightly regressed. Next season is his 5th NHL season. As a 4th line centre he's fine but he is not who I want penciled into the 3C role next year.

 

[Hasbro]

If the Avs are trading Kadri then they need to have a subsequent plan in place to upgrade at that spot. You can't just trade him for futures or get rid of him because you're mad. If you can't get something of value back or know for certain that you can use his money for someone like Danault then I don't think you should trade him.

What am I missing with Danault? He'll get a million for every goal he scored this year.

 

[redacted]

He's a solid player who'd help the Avs but doesn't he only play wing now? I don't watch the Sabres enough to be certain.

He played center the last part of this season and looked solid there, but he's played wing 90+% of the time in the NHL. I like Reinhart as a player and think he'd add to the team... he's not a guy I'd count on to be a 2C. He's a guy you put at RW and move in if your 2C gets hurt or gets suspended.

 

[redacted]

What am I missing with Danault? He'll get a million for every goal he scored this year.

The best pure defensive center in the league who tilts the ice to a very large degree 5v5. Needs paired with finishers.

 

[Avs_19]

What am I missing with Danault? He'll get a million for every goal he scored this year.

He's elite defensively, the analytics are very good, and up until this season he produced decently. I think you can get away with that behind MacKinnon as long as his wingers are good. Ideally you have MacKinnon, Kadri, and Danault but that's probably not realistic.

 

[The Abusement Park]

The best pure defensive center in the league who tilts the ice to a very large degree 5v5. Needs paired with finishers.

Think he would be a way better fit next to Bura than Kadri stylistically.

 

[redacted]

He's elite defensively, the analytics are very good, and up until this season he produced decently. I think you can get away with that behind MacKinnon as long as his wingers are good. Ideally you have MacKinnon, Kadri, and Danault but that's probably not realistic.

I think that could be swung and is the best, most realistic combination that could be had. Saad would have to walk and Graves would likely have to go to Seattle to make it work.

Think he would be a way better fit next to Bura than Kadri stylistically.

I could see Burkie popping 30g having Danault feed him.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think that could be swung and is the best, most realistic combination that could be had. Saad would have to walk and Graves would likely have to go to Seattle to make it work.



I could see Burkie popping 30g having Danault feed him.

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[BaconNater]

I think that could be swung and is the best, most realistic combination that could be had. Saad would have to walk and Graves would likely have to go to Seattle to make it work.



I could see Burkie popping 30g having Danault feed him.

Oh no.. could we survive this?

 

[redacted]

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I wouldn't put Ranta there as he needs to develop and don't want t shoehorn him into the lineup to just have him there. One of Dong or Compher would be back (not that I'd want that). Expensive, but Palmeri would be ideal on a 3-4 year deal.

 

[cinchronicity]

That's why you build the Jack Eichel mega package around Samuel Girard and Alex Newhook. I like Newhook as a prospect, but tell me Buffalo is going to get a better package elsewhere than Girard/Newhook/1st? Make it work salary wise by including a serviceable player like Donskoi/Compher/Graves and the increased cap hit ends up less than 2M. Make it work somehow.

I would KILL for Sakic to go big game hunting like that. MacKinnon/Eichel down the middle is drool worthy and Crosby/Malkin-esque.

Best post in the thread. I love Sammy but would pull the trigger on this immediately. Do you think Sakic could go Girard/ Kadri/ 1st? I realize he has a 10 team NMC, but Buffalo is not that far from Kadri's home. He'd be 2C there, while 3C here. Buffalo would have room to pay him. And we would have a longer term center group of Mac > Eichel > Newhook > Jost

 

[The Abusement Park]

I wouldn't put Ranta there as he needs to develop and don't want t shoehorn him into the lineup to just have him there. One of Dong or Compher would be back (not that I'd want that). Expensive, but Palmeri would be ideal on a 3-4 year deal.

Yeah I spaced Dong. I would love Danault here and he would solve so many issues, but I feel like EDM is going to give him a lot of money that we don't have.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Also Bednar gassed G during the season, it was obvious

G played 23:13 in the regular season and 22:12 in the playoffs. I don’t see this as a valid excuse for his drop off in play.

 

[Hasbro]

He's elite defensively, the analytics are very good, and up until this season he produced decently. I think you can get away with that behind MacKinnon as long as his wingers are good. Ideally you have MacKinnon, Kadri, and Danault but that's probably not realistic.

The best pure defensive center in the league who tilts the ice to a very large degree 5v5. Needs paired with finishers.

He's broke 50 once and $5M is too much to pay for a pure 3C especially beyond MacKinnon needing and extension.

 

[Avaholic29]

Seth Jones or bust

 

[BaconNater]

Who would be an ideal bottom pairing D fix?

 

[PAZ]

He really hasn't. His defense has gotten better, but he's the same if not worse offensively. Even with Hertl, the Avs will have issues with Jost at the 3C.

He's adapted his game and is creating more scoring chances and driving to the middle of the ice, rather than just letting them come to him. He's not an ideal #3C, but he's shown enough where i'm comfortable heading into next season with him as our #3C if we cannot find an upgrade on him. If he doesn't produce by the TDL, it's easier to upgrade the #3C than it is the #2C or #3/4D.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Yes...

Girard for Jones Avs would have to add of course

Newhook and whatever else needed for Gibson

Get Killorn from Tampa, trade Burakovsky somewhere

Get rid of JTC, Bellemare, Nemeth, Graves.

Sign UFA Oleksiak

Resign Makar to a bridge deal 3 years at 7.5 per
Landeskog to 5 years at 6 mill per or so

Resign Saad to 5 years at 4.5 per

Toews-Makar
Byram-Jones
Oleksiak- Timmins

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Saad-Kadri-Killorn

 

[flyfysher]

In terms of solving issues, are the consensus wish list of options in no particular order:

1. Daneault - probably lose out to the Oilers. but you try nonetheless

2. Eichel - for Girard, Kadri and a 1st!

3. Jones and possibly Merzlikins - for same deal plus (likely Newhook)

Lose Saad no matter what?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Everyone has to stop putting Kadri in trade proposals to BUF. He has a NTC and obviously has them on it.

 

[myperbixhurts]

You can't lose Saad, the only playoff performer outside of the top line. Gotta keep him