Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[PowerMac]

No Danault?

He'd cost too much

 

[cinchronicity]

Need to replace Graves, Bura, and G (don’t care about his contract l, he isn’t make for playoffs).

If this playoffs has prove anything is that we have a top 4 D in Timmy if he’s able to stay healthy. He going up against the Blues and Knights and didn’t even flinch under pressure.

The Avs just need to make little fixes, get a few people who play a physical game and with better hockey IQ.

I don't understand the Girard hate. He did not have a good series against Vegas. But he was also playing on his off side, and playing with Graves, which was a poor match. But imagine if he was paired, on his preferred Left Side, with a healthy EJ. Just an entirely different situation. Girard also got shifted with Nemeth who, aside from Satan himself, was the worst pairing for Girard.

 

[Belgican]

Also Bednar gassed G during the season, it was obvious

 

[dahrougem2]

And plummeted to 29 his first year here.

And the less you spend on a new 2C leaves more for Seth Jones, Matthew Danault and Lawson Crouse.

And the amount of opportunities that were tailor made for him he should have scored 59.

Pavelski = nope.

 

[cinchronicity]

I think Sakic also needs to establish that Dater is a complete moron, and stop issuing him press passes. (Ironically, this post comes right after his drunken F-bomb which caused Altitude to cut him off.)

 

[Avaholic29]

I don't understand the Girard hate. He did not have a good series against Vegas. But he was also playing on his off side, and playing with Graves, which was a poor match. But imagine if he was paired, on his preferred Left Side, with a healthy EJ. Just an entirely different situation. Girard also got shifted with Nemeth who, aside from Satan himself, was the worst pairing for Girard.

he was so largely out muscled it was almost hard to witness. He was also playing like he was scared to get hit. Last 4 games -9 and some of them were absolute stinker plays. We have enough puck moving dmen, I love girard but he would return a valuable piece that is more of a need.

 

[redacted]

I’d easily protect him even if he only ends up a very good 4th liner. He adds a dimension the Avs just don’t have enough of, while not detracting from anything that defines them as a team. The ONLY forwards I would protect ahead of him for sure are the top line guys, Kadri, and Nichushkin.

Agree... I like what LOC brings and he'll be cheap for a bit with the upside that he could solve a 3rd line issue long term. I don't like that he gets injured and his frame likely has something to do with that.

 

[flyfysher]

he was so largely out muscled it was almost hard to witness. He was also playing like he was scared to get hit. Last 4 games -9 and some of them were absolute stinker plays. We have enough puck moving dmen, I love girard but he would return a valuable piece that is more of a need.

We have seen multiple PO runs now and not just this last one. I still think you hold onto him unless you upgrade, including at 2C because that’s more of a need. But his skills and contract have great value.

 

[PowerMac]

LOC is going to be a good 4th liner but I wouldn't protect him over Jost. He's not more valuable than a serviceable 3C.

 

[Pokecheque]

LOC is going to be a good 4th liner but I wouldn't protect him over Jost. He's not more valuable than a serviceable 3C.

Yeah he is, especially in the postseason.

If the Avs lose Jost in the XD that’s no huge loss. They can replace what he brings very easily. Where that hurts is that Seattle won’t be bailing Colorado out of any sizable contracts.

 

[redacted]

LOC is going to be a good 4th liner but I wouldn't protect him over Jost. He's not more valuable than a serviceable 3C.

He's not serviceable on the Cup team. On a Cup team he should be a 4.

 

[Forceberg]

If the AVS want to win a Cup or 2, they have to think big. Get players like Eichel, Jones, Kuemper, Danault, maybe a player like Gibson.
Forget players like Graves, Nemeth, Soderberg,… . Fill their spots with young upcoming players.

 

[dahrougem2]

LOC is going to be a good 4th liner but I wouldn't protect him over Jost. He's not more valuable than a serviceable 3C.

He's not a serviceable 3C

 

[PowerMac]

Agree to disagree then. If Jost puts up 40 points next season will your opinion change?

 

[flyfysher]

He's not a serviceable 3C

Hmmm, a little more serviceable than Compher as a 2C.

 

[Hasbro]

Yeah he is, especially in the postseason.

If the Avs lose Jost in the XD that’s no huge loss.

The opportunity cost of getting rid of a worse player making more would be a huge loss.

 

[Pokecheque]

Here’s a stat card on Jost.

Nothing revelatory, good defensively, terrible offensively. And these are regular season stats. Those numbers take a nosedive the moment the refs put the whistles away.

There are players out there who’d offer more offensively and probably something comparable defensively, while also being able to win a faceoff once in a blue moon. Obviously they’d cost a little more but it’s high time the Avs make a bigger investment in their centers.

 

[Pokecheque]

Hmmm, a little more serviceable than Compher as a 2C.

Given that Compher isn’t a center period, that isn’t saying much.

 

[Pokecheque]

The opportunity cost of getting rid of a worse player making more would be a huge loss.

That I agree with.

 

[Hasbro]

That I agree with.

Same reason you protect LOC.

They'll have MacDonald as their punt option regardless, but you need to protect Jost to at least steer Seattle into taking some salary like Graves off the roster.

Get your 3rd line Center and move Jost back to wing, which helps the much maligned Center depth on this team, which Trumps even bigness apparently.

 

[cinchronicity]

If G is put in a position to succeed he will do it. Put him in, say, Montreal and he's not seeing any PK, plays PP1, gets mostly ozone starts and is well protected physically as their only small dman and their only pmd on the team.

Here he's asked to play like he's 6'2 man and he isn't one. Never will be.

I used Montreal as an example but there's at least a dozen teams in the league that could use Girard in a good way without getting most of the bad side.

Doesn't this include the Avs? Even is he needs to wait another year for Barron or Helleson to make the roster? Actually, Sammy is a metaphor for all the things Bednar does wrong. He's playing Girard on the wrong side. He ignored the chemistry with Girard / Toews. He pairs Girard with Graves and it is GIRARD who is the stay at home defensemen?!?!? Pair Girard with a healthy EJ, and this forum is insisting that he needs to be in the Norris discussion as well.

Depending on the progress of Helleson, and to a lesser extent Barron, I'd keep Sammy and find a 1 year solution for a stay at home 4D with size. I wish Timmins was 2" taller and 20 pounds heavier!

I think just about any team in the league would like to have this depth:

Makar / Byram
Girard / Toews
Timmins / Helleson
Barron / MacDonald

I vote keep Girard through the entirety of his contract.

 

[Avs_19]

If the Avs are trading Kadri then they need to have a subsequent plan in place to upgrade at that spot. You can't just trade him for futures or get rid of him because you're mad. If you can't get something of value back or know for certain that you can use his money for someone like Danault then I don't think you should trade him.

 

[PowerMac]

Whatever they do they need to make the team harder to play against and don't allow the other team to have anything for free.

 

[cinchronicity]

I really dont like the idea of Jost as a 3C. Keep him around as a 4C sure, and maybe he plays his way up the lineup next year. But IMO going into next season with him as the 3C again is a big failure. His defensive game is fine, he works like a dog every shift(Thanks to Nichushkin for getting him like that IMO)... But the offensive ability just isn't good enough to produce at an acceptable level for a 3C.




It's why I like the idea of getting a legit 2C, and instead of trading Kadri, slot him in as the 3C instead. Kadri's 4.5M cap hit is still fine money for a 3C, and it also takes a lot of pressure off Kadri to produce(His production was low for a 2C this year as well)... And if/when Kadri goes idiot mode in the playoffs again next year we're much better equipped to handle it.

Plus it is a contract year for Kadri. He is a knucklehead, but even he surely understands that if he screws up again, he is leaving $10M over the rest of his career as an absolute best case scenario.

 

[PAZ]

Why are people assuming Jost has hit his ceiling? He's improved every year so far.

He's not a #3C on a contending team with a low-end #2C like Kadri/Danault on the team. However, he'd be perfectly acceptable #3C if we had Hertl/Couts/etc. as our #2C. So it depends on what route we take, but I don't see the Avs getting enough center depth where Jost is our #4C without significantly sacrificing other areas of the team. IMO our biggest needs moving forward are:

1. #1G - Mainly because we don't have anyone if Gru walks. Need to figure out who his replacement is, because we can't head into next season with Francouz/JoJo tandem.
2A. 2nd pairing D - Two issues here -

• figuring out if keeping G is the right move or trading him to shore up the #2C position, or a #2/3 (Jones) that can perform in the playoffs. There may be an internal replacement in Byram/Timmins here as well, but our transition was one of our biggest issues against Vegas because Girard wilted, once again.
• if we are keeping G, it's a priority to find him a suitable partner.

2B. #2C - Are we keeping Kadri in hope he rebounds and isn't an idiot in the playoffs, or do we salvage what value we can get from him and sign Danault/trade for a higher end #2C like Hertl?
3. #1/2 LW - Landy/Bura aren't cutting it, and I think it would be a failure if we went into next season with both of them on the team again. If Landy is re-signed, they'll be taking up at least ~$13 mil in cap space, they simply don't bring enough.
4. Depth forwards - Donskoi, Compher are overpaid for what they bring to the playoffs. Nuke and Jost try hard, but can't product. Very few of our bottom 6 play a simply, heavy game. We have a bunch of internal replacements in Newhook, Ranta, Kaut, etc. but they are question marks.
5. Bottom pairing defenseman - Do we need a grittier defenseman at the expense of transition?