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Sacrilege I know but could the Avs do:

Hall/Saad - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Hall/Saad - Kopitar - Newhook
Nichushkin - Kadri (traded before next season's TD) - Donskoi/Kaut
O'Connor - Jost - Ranta

Toews - Makar
Byram - Jones
MacDonald - Timmins/Johnson

Merzlikins/Dubnyk

Graves - lost at the entry draft
Girard
Lose Compher for a pick - won't happen, JB loves his penalty killer. But hopefully we never see Compher as a 2C again.

While I admire Landeskog, his play was too inconsistent.
 
If the Avs can swing an Eichel deal, I think you so surely do it by whatever means necessary. By all accounts the Avs would have two top-5 centres, and plenty of depth on the wings. You’re probably looking at losing Girard + Newhook + Something but I’d do it in a heartbeat.
 
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Nope. No Hall. Let Boston re-sign him and live to regret it.

I have to say I really, REALLY soured on Ryan Graves this year. The year previous he did a more-than-adequate job as a top pairing partner for Makar, and I maintained that in a third pairing role he'd excel with a much lighter workload. Come next season he started in that sheltered role and was an absolute disaster. Eventually he found his footing and was mostly decent with some bad slumps, but I definitely hope the team moves on from him this offseason. Two terrible postseasons in a row where he was supposed to be effective against a big, physical team, but got murdered every time he took the ice, that's the last straw for me. He should be on a team hurting for defensive depth, like Lumbus probably will be soon.

Conversely, I'm glad to see Conor Timmins holding his own against a very physical team. He took repeated beatings and was still able to move the puck out of the zone effectively. That gives them yet another great option on the blueline, or a viable trade chip if they so choose to go that route (really I think they should keep him on the third pairing, build up trade value, then move him at the deadline if the right deal comes along).
 
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Nope. No Hall. Let Boston re-sign him and live to regret it.

I have to say I really, REALLY soured on Ryan Graves this year. The year previous he did a more-than-adequate job as a top pairing partner for Makar, and I maintained that in a third pairing role he'd excel with a much lighter workload. Come next season he started in that sheltered role and was an absolute disaster. Eventually he found his footing and was mostly decent with some bad slumps, but I definitely hope the team moves on from him this offseason. Two terrible postseasons in a row where he was supposed to be effective against a big, physical team, but got murdered every time he took the ice, that's the last straw for me. He should be on a team hurting for defensive depth, like Lumbus probably will be soon.

Conversely, I'm glad to see Conor Timmins holding his own against a very physical team. He took repeated beatings and was still able to move the puck out of the zone effectively. That gives them yet another great option on the blueline, or a viable trade chip if they so choose to go that route (really I think they should keep him on the third pairing, build up trade value, then move him at the deadline if the right deal comes along).
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Funny how the POs change our POV. Just a few games ago, people were touting Graves as a player that the Avs had to retain.

I'm not convinced Timmins is mere trade bait. He showed me a lot in the POs and developed quite nicely.

Of all the posters on here, I'm not a Hall fan. But I think we should ask how the players, even those we assume to be part of the core, fit in over the team's PO window. That includes Landeskog.
 
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Funny how the POs change our POV. Just a few games ago, people were touting Graves as a player that the Avs had to retain.

I'm not convinced Timmins is mere trade bait. He showed me a lot in the POs and developed quite nicely.

Of all the posters on here, I'm not a Hall fan. But I think we should ask how the players, even those we assume to be part of the core, fit in over the team's PO window. That includes Landeskog.
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I think Timmins is staying. He played well enough to prove he can play, but not enough to command big $$. Avs have a good opportunity to sign him to a cheap bridge deal here, maybe 2 x 950k
 
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I think Timmins is staying. He played well enough to prove he can play, but not enough to command big $$. Avs have a good opportunity to sign him to a cheap bridge deal here, maybe 2 x 950k
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Nah, I wasn't suggesting that Timmins should get big $. Just that Timmins isn't a defensive slug. I was more impressed that our version of Hishon 2.0 weathered PO hockey - better than G did. As he becomes more comfortable with the speed of the NHL game, his game should improve dramatically.
 
flyfysher said:
Funny how the POs change our POV. Just a few games ago, people were touting Graves as a player that the Avs had to retain.

I'm not convinced Timmins is mere trade bait. He showed me a lot in the POs and developed quite nicely.

Of all the posters on here, I'm not a Hall fan. But I think we should ask how the players, even those we assume to be part of the core, fit in over the team's PO window. That includes Landeskog.
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I am more than okay asking questions about this lineup from top to bottom. I also don't think it's a no-brainer to sign a physical two-way forward who clearly got beat up in this year's playoffs well into his thirties.

I agree he isn't "mere" trade bait. The only thing that gives me pause with Timmins is his injury history. He proved he can be durable in stretches in this playoffs though that's for sure, and only seemed to get better as the series with Vegas progressed. Also glad Bednar finally wised up and realized that playing him for less than ten minutes while using Nemeth for multiple failed shifts was clearly not working. The only other reason I think he might be trade bait is because the Avs also have another RHD prospect in Barron who might be ready sooner rather than later. Timmins will likely have more trade cache once the time comes for Barron to make the jump. Either way it's a wonderful luxury item to have a talented young defenseman on an ELC.

So, back to Hall, I don't think he'd be a good investment, nor do I think trading for Eichel is the answer either. Then IMO this team becomes the Leafs. Extremely top-heavy without adequate depth, one big injury and they're toast. I don't think they should focus on getting a legit 2C (though if Reinhart can be had, get him) so much as they should be looking to get a good 3C. Jost wasn't it, and that's clear now despite his best season as an Av thus far.
 
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I am more than okay asking questions about this lineup from top to bottom. I also don't think it's a no-brainer to sign a physical two-way forward who clearly got beat up in this year's playoffs well into his thirties.

I agree he isn't "mere" trade bait. The only thing that gives me pause with Timmins is his injury history. He proved he can be durable in stretches in this playoffs though that's for sure, and only seemed to get better as the series with Vegas progressed. Also glad Bednar finally wised up and realized that playing him for less than ten minutes while using Nemeth for multiple failed shifts was clearly not working. The only other reason I think he might be trade bait is because the Avs also have another RHD prospect in Barron who might be ready sooner rather than later. Timmins will likely have more trade cache once the time comes for Barron to make the jump. Either way it's a wonderful luxury item to have a talented young defenseman on an ELC.

So, back to Hall, I don't think he'd be a good investment, nor do I think trading for Eichel is the answer either. Then IMO this team becomes the Leafs. Extremely top-heavy without adequate depth, one big injury and they're toast. I don't think they should focus on getting a legit 2C (though if Reinhart can be had, get him) so much as they should be looking to get a good 3C. Jost wasn't it, and that's clear now despite his best season as an Av thus far.
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I'm not an Eichel fan but if he can be had, then you do it to set up the Avs version of Crosby/Malkin.

The Avs are at the point where if they're going to make moves, then they have to give up something of value to get value. No easy answers.

My preference is an upgrade over Girard even though I think he makes the Avs transition game exceptional, especially during the regular season. However, I'd rather acquire Jones and Merzlikins if that deal can be had.
 
I get viewed as the Hall homer but you guys can't quit him either. :laugh:

It all depends on the contract. He's a better player than both Saad and Burakovsky. Also a great fit with how the Avs like to play and can actually drive play on the second line. He didn't have a great series against the Islanders as far as production goes but played well overall. One thing I think people can stop with is the "he doesn't care" conversation. You can't come to that conclusion when you see him going into the dirty areas, taking hits, and even getting in a fight. Basically the opposite of what we just saw a guy like Burakovsky do for six games.
 
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Pokecheque said:
So, back to Hall, I don't think he'd be a good investment, nor do I think trading for Eichel is the answer either. Then IMO this team becomes the Leafs. Extremely top-heavy without adequate depth, one big injury and they're toast. I don't think they should focus on getting a legit 2C (though if Reinhart can be had, get him) so much as they should be looking to get a good 3C. Jost wasn't it, and that's clear now despite his best season as an Av thus far.
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I mean not an injury but were currently still there. One suspension to Kadri and the C core is downright abysmal.
 
Avs_19 said:
I get viewed as the Hall homer but you guys can't quit him either. :laugh:

It all depends on the contract. He's a better player than both Saad and Burakovsky. Also a great fit with how the Avs like to play and can actually drive play on the second line. He didn't have a great series against the Islanders as far as production goes but played well overall. One thing I think people can stop with is the "he doesn't care" conversation. You can't come to that conclusion when you see him going into the dirty areas, taking hits, and even getting in a fight.
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My issue is did Hall ever want to be on the Avs?
 
Pokecheque said:
I am more than okay asking questions about this lineup from top to bottom. I also don't think it's a no-brainer to sign a physical two-way forward who clearly got beat up in this year's playoffs well into his thirties.

I agree he isn't "mere" trade bait. The only thing that gives me pause with Timmins is his injury history. He proved he can be durable in stretches in this playoffs though that's for sure, and only seemed to get better as the series with Vegas progressed. Also glad Bednar finally wised up and realized that playing him for less than ten minutes while using Nemeth for multiple failed shifts was clearly not working. The only other reason I think he might be trade bait is because the Avs also have another RHD prospect in Barron who might be ready sooner rather than later. Timmins will likely have more trade cache once the time comes for Barron to make the jump. Either way it's a wonderful luxury item to have a talented young defenseman on an ELC.

So, back to Hall, I don't think he'd be a good investment, nor do I think trading for Eichel is the answer either. Then IMO this team becomes the Leafs. Extremely top-heavy without adequate depth, one big injury and they're toast. I don't think they should focus on getting a legit 2C (though if Reinhart can be had, get him) so much as they should be looking to get a good 3C. Jost wasn't it, and that's clear now despite his best season as an Av thus far.
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I haven't been paying attention to our AHL prospects. How are Barron and Helleson coming along? When should we anticipate them making an appearance at the NHL level?
 
For a lot of different reasons, I think trading Sam Girard is the key to the Avs offseason. Use him as the foundation to acquire a 2nd line center and the Avs will have a lot better roster balance and will be well-positioned going forward in the future.

As great as he in the offensive zone and transitioning the puck out of the defensive zone, repeated playoffs show that he does not play like a top 4 defenceman in the playoffs in the defensive zone when the opposition has the puck. Does not want to take a hit when retrieving the puck, can not win board battles, can not clear the crease, can't dislodge the offensive player from the puck, does not block shots. Makar, Toews, Byram all are arguably in the same tier in the offensive zone and in transition and all are better in the defensive zone when the opponents have the puck. Having all 4 is also the reason why you can never play Jacob MacDonald in the playoffs with a fully healthy roster because there's no way Bednar would play 5 regular-to-smallish sized defencemen who excel in transition but leaving no room on the roster for the big bodies needed to play in the defensize zone and penalty kill. The fact that we also have Justin Barron waiting in the wings makes it even easier to let Girard go as he also excels in transition.

Moreover, the free agent class for 2022-2023 is absolutely loaded with the best class in recent memory and the Avs might be able to pick up a two-way defenceman/defensive defenceman in an in-season trade for a 1st rounder, prospect, + or simply sign them outright next offseason. The list includes Jones, Lindholm, Nurse, Pulock, Parayko, Ekholm, Rielly, Manson, Connor Murphy, and Ristolainen.

If they could trade Girard as the base for Couturier or a Hertl with adjustments as necessary, Avs roster can easily be filled out.

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Newhook-Hertl-Saad
Nichushkin-Kadri-Burakovsky
X-Jost-O'Connor
Kaut/Ranta/Bowers

Byram-Makar
Toews-Timmins
X - Johnson/McDonald

Grubauer
Francouz

Unload Graves, Compher, Donskoi. Sign Oleksiak or use a 1st rounder + prospects to get one of the impending stud free agent defencemen.

If needed, Burakovsky could also be moved in the package to get a big defencemen, and then sign a third liner at less than Burakovsky's 4.9 million salary who adds more grit e.g. Armia, Foligno, Coleman, Goodrow. If trying to get a gritty type on a cheap contract, would look at Nick Paul, Max Jones, and Lawson Crouse.
 
I'm not wading in to this trade/don't trade Girard discussion. I only want to offer this:

If one of your main reasons for trading Girard is "Look at the UFA class for 2022-23!", then that's a bad take. Every year it's the same thing--we look at who is scheduled to be a UFA and think about how we could fit them in, and in most cases that player re-ups with the team they're on.
 
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If Byram wasn't ready to go they should have played him in Nemeth's place.

If Dallas decides to blow it up: Pavelski?
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I’d take pavelski in a heart beat for sure.

same with couturier, hertl, Reinhart

Would love Seth Jones or to a lesser extent a guy like oleksiak or forbort. We need muscle in the back.
 
Pokecheque said:
Nope. No Hall. Let Boston re-sign him and live to regret it.

I have to say I really, REALLY soured on Ryan Graves this year. The year previous he did a more-than-adequate job as a top pairing partner for Makar, and I maintained that in a third pairing role he'd excel with a much lighter workload. Come next season he started in that sheltered role and was an absolute disaster. Eventually he found his footing and was mostly decent with some bad slumps, but I definitely hope the team moves on from him this offseason. Two terrible postseasons in a row where he was supposed to be effective against a big, physical team, but got murdered every time he took the ice, that's the last straw for me. He should be on a team hurting for defensive depth, like Lumbus probably will be soon.

Conversely, I'm glad to see Conor Timmins holding his own against a very physical team. He took repeated beatings and was still able to move the puck out of the zone effectively. That gives them yet another great option on the blueline, or a viable trade chip if they so choose to go that route (really I think they should keep him on the third pairing, build up trade value, then move him at the deadline if the right deal comes along).
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Graves owes a big chunk of his money to Makar for carrying him last season. The Avs cant have him on this roster if they are serious about having deep playoff runs. I agree him going to a team like CBJ would be best for both parties. Not quite sure who I would want back in return but so long as they can rid themselves of Graves and replace him with someone like...I dunno...Jamie Oleksiak that would make me happy.
 
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Graves owes a big chunk of his money to Makar for carrying him last season. The Avs cant have him on this roster if they are serious about having deep playoff runs. I agree him going to a team like CBJ would be best for both parties. Not quite sure who I would want back in return but so long as they can rid themselves of Graves and replace him with someone like...I dunno...Jamie Oleksiak that would make me happy.
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If Graves gets traded I'm guessing that's a full-on cap dump. Wouldn't expect much in return. If they don't have to retain salary then that's a huge win for Sakic. If he actually gets a real player or decent asset in return then that's just plain highway robbery.

Guess we'll see what happens with the expansion draft. Part of the reason he got more term than he deserved was because of exposure requirements. If he gets moved, it'll either be directly TO Seattle, or they wait until after the draft to move him.
 
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Acquire Hertl + Danault or pay big for just Eichel, try to pry/trade for Jones since CBJ won't get as much as they want for a man walking out on the franchise. Replace terrible contracts like JTC/Graves with our rookies. Grubauer has to walk not worth the money he will command and he wont ask for a shortened "prove it" deal just because of a few bad playoff games.
 
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