Zadina

[Henkka]

I think it will be 10-40 games. If he plays as he did last season, he is done within 40 games. Yzerman will probably trade him for another struggling player.


It is like that for the all prospects and then 95% don't even make it to the NHL.

Think it goes opposite ways.

If Zadina plays well, Yzerman will trade him.

Because if Zadina won't play well, he has zero trade value.

Biggest thing to fix is skating, so he could buy some time for himself and his decisions.Always late and slow, easy job for opposite defenders.

 

[lilidk]

Zadina , Hronek Vrana and others going to learn new system and if they don't improve they will be gone. I like to see Zadina improve his shot and be on pk regularly.

 

[BinCookin]

Unrealistic Expectations...

Thats the reason for all this negativity:

Veleno 0.22 PPG
Svechnikov 0.27 PPG
Rasmussen 0.31 PPG
Zadina 0.38 PPG
Fabbri 0.5 PPG
Vrana 0.58 PPG
Bertuzzi 0.68 PPG
Raymond 0.69 PPG
Larkin 0.71 PPG

Our Stars are not insanely good. So we need more of these 0.6+ PPG players, or more 0.5PPG players on our 2nd and 3rd lines.

Zadina missed expectations. But Maybe just maybe he can improve into a 0.45 or 0.5 PPG player, and be worthy of a 3rd line role. Maybe he can improve to Fabbri level. If not... he needs to be beaten by a player who can get 0.5 PPG.

I know points dont mean everything... but for forwards its their bottom line measure. I realize who people play with is a factor, but if you want to stick in this league, you need to up these numbers.

Fabbri needs to move towards 0.55 or 0.6...
Vrana needs to get up to 0.65
Zadina needs to get up to 0.45-0.5

We need improvement in these players... if they don't improve... well we will see what our prospects can do.

P.S. i have no faith yet that Bergren or soderblom or even Kaspar can outplay the current version of Zadina.
We will all see in the next few years

 

[Wings2023playoffs]

I've never thought much of Hronek he's had a couple decent point point producing years. He can play a physical game, but most of the time he dont. It seems like he's the guy skating behind the guy who just scored against us. His shot is always getting blocked back out to center ice. Need him out fast. Hronek to Goodyear for a bag of pucks. I feel for Zadina he plays hard he plays 200 ft. I still believe he has it in him there's no questioning his commitment. If the Wings can put together 2 solid scoring lines Zadina could easily score 20-25 goals playing against 3rd and 4th liners. Ultimately though Hronek& Zadina would be a good start for a package for a quality top 4 forward.

 

[BinCookin]

I've never thought much of Hronek he's had a couple decent point point producing years. He can play a physical game, but most of the time he dont. It seems like he's the guy skating behind the guy who just scored against us. His shot is always getting blocked back out to center ice. Need him out fast. Hronek to Goodyear for a bag of pucks. I feel for Zadina he plays hard he plays 200 ft. I still believe he has it in him there's no questioning his commitment. If the Wings can put together 2 solid scoring lines Zadina could easily score 20-25 goals playing against 3rd and 4th liners. Ultimately though Hronek& Zadina would be a good start for a package for a quality top 4 forward.

If you dont want Hronek or Zadina... not sure why they would give us a better player. LIke Carolina not giving us Jarvis for those 2.

 

[14ari13]

Think it goes opposite ways.

If Zadina plays well, Yzerman will trade him.

Because if Zadina won't play well, he has zero trade value.

Biggest thing to fix is skating, so he could by some time for himself and his decisions.Always late and slow, easy job for opposite defenders.

He can trade him for another struggling player.

 

[Gniwder]

Think it goes opposite ways.

If Zadina plays well, Yzerman will trade him.

Because if Zadina won't play well, he has zero trade value.

Biggest thing to fix is skating, so he could by some time for himself and his decisions.Always late and slow, easy job for opposite defenders.

I don't think it's his skating that's the issue so much as his decision making. He likes to slow things down and do the stupid headfake move. Here's what happens when he carries the puck at speed. Granted his top speed isn't great, but it's good enough to get by low end defenders.



I'm not sure he will wind up anything more than bottom 6 complementary scoring, but there are obvious issues the next coaching staff has to fix if Zadina is going to stay in the league:
- Quit doing the one zone entry move that he always uses and fails with
- Do not overcommit when defending against top tier D such as McAvoy, Makar, Hedman, etc
- Needs to engage and win board battles, first step is to take the proper approach to the defender and puck. He chases the puck too often with no attention to the defender and gets crushed for his effort.
- Needs to take the body on defense instead of trying to steal the puck from behind every time. Might work against slower opposition, but he'll get outskated by most.
- Zone entry with speed and protect the puck instead of going down the middle. (More of what he does in this video)
- Throw some hits, play like you have average NHL size. 150 lb Hirose threw more memorable hits.
- Move to the left wing. Shooting isn't good enough to justify playing the opposite side, and he has enough trouble fetching pucks as it is.
- Learn how to cycle the puck. The cycle always dies because Zadina is hanging out in the FO circle.
- Communication, Zadina always sucked with Suter and Fabbri. They were not on the same page.
- Get to the hard areas. This he's actually already improved on and managed to score a few goals.


Edit: The funny thing about this video is that it's Dumba defending, and both defenders expected him to go up the middle as usual. You can see it caught Dumba by surprise when Zadina didn't do his usual move. Of course, Zadina went right back to his usual move every time despite his success on this play.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Unrealistic Expectations...

Thats the reason for all this negativity:

Veleno 0.22 PPG
Svechnikov 0.27 PPG
Rasmussen 0.31 PPG
Zadina 0.38 PPG
Fabbri 0.5 PPG
Vrana 0.58 PPG
Bertuzzi 0.68 PPG
Raymond 0.69 PPG
Larkin 0.71 PPG

Our Stars are not insanely good. So we need more of these 0.6+ PPG players, or more 0.5PPG players on our 2nd and 3rd lines.

Zadina missed expectations. But Maybe just maybe he can improve into a 0.45 or 0.5 PPG player, and be worthy of a 3rd line role. Maybe he can improve to Fabbri level. If not... he needs to be beaten by a player who can get 0.5 PPG.

I know points dont mean everything... but for forwards its their bottom line measure. I realize who people play with is a factor, but if you want to stick in this league, you need to up these numbers.

Fabbri needs to move towards 0.55 or 0.6...
Vrana needs to get up to 0.65
Zadina needs to get up to 0.45-0.5

We need improvement in these players... if they don't improve... well we will see what our prospects can do.

P.S. i have no faith yet that Bergren or soderblom or even Kaspar can outplay the current version of Zadina.
We will all see in the next few years

Vrana (in DET) is @ .81 ppg, better than anyone listed. 66.48pts/82gp.=1st line W.

We need a minimum of .63+ on L2 (that's 50pt/92gp). No more .4-.6 (32-48pt= tweeners & 3rd L).

Fabbri may be done, 3rd surgery, too bad. nice kid, good motor/some skill.

I can see Veleno & Ras thriving (.3-.4+) this yr. No idea on Zadina.

 

[Oddbob]

My feeling is Zadina will be gone by this time next year, as to me it seems like Yzerman wants his guys as he has shown no reluctance in trading Holland drafted guys. I get it, if I was a GM I would want it to be my guys as well. That said I hope we at least get to see him play for a bit with new coaching and input as Lalonde mentioned talking to all the players and hopefully he will have given some new insights on what he wants and expects from Zadina. Skating and getting into open areas better to me are a couple of things that I think would help him. The slapper from the halfwall (PP) needs to go, as he doesn't have Ovy level (NHL level) shot to convert those, and if he was in closer with a wrister he might have more success.

 

[haulinbass]

Vrana (in DET) is @ .81 ppg, better than anyone listed. 66.48pts/82gp.=1st line W.

We need a minimum of .63+ on L2 (that's 50pt/92gp). No more .4-.6 (32-48pt= tweeners & 3rd L).

Fabbri may be done, 3rd surgery, too bad. nice kid, good motor/some skill.

I can see Veleno & Ras thriving (.3-.4+) this yr. No idea on Zadina.

I have some hope that Ras keeps progressing and can do a decent job filling the 2C role until hopefully Kasper pans out.

He has consistently made progress, a very slow rate of progress but always forward progress. He also really stepped up towards the end of the season for a short stint.

Zadina I don't have much hope for but I also don't see a reason to not give him a chance. As we speak, we have a spot for him, if other kids take those spots, then sure maybe look to move him. We are really expecting a lot if we think all these young guys are just going to come in and all take spots, so like I said, until it happens no reason to get excited and make an unecessary move.

Hronek, I understand he's not perfect. But definitely don't have an issue with him. Edvinsson hopefully will push him back a spot to where he needs to be. You just don't get to have a lineup full of top D. You either get a guy that drives you crazy because they can't make a play up the ice or contribute to any offense (black hole) or you get a guy that is decent offensively and has issues on D. Hardly any teams ever have a top 4 of guys that give you nothing to complain about. It's just not realistic. Hronek does bring something positive to our D.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I have some hope that Ras keeps progressing and can do a decent job filling the 2C role until hopefully Kasper pans out.

He has consistently made progress, a very slow rate of progress but always forward progress. He also really stepped up towards the end of the season for a short stint.

Zadina I don't have much hope for but I also don't see a reason to not give him a chance. As we speak, we have a spot for him, if other kids take those spots, then sure maybe look to move him. We are really expecting a lot if we think all these young guys are just going to come in and all take spots, so like I said, until it happens no reason to get excited and make an unecessary move.

Hronek, I understand he's not perfect. But definitely don't have an issue with him. Edvinsson hopefully will push him back a spot to where he needs to be. You just don't get to have a lineup full of top D. You either get a guy that drives you crazy because they can't make a play up the ice or contribute to any offense (black hole) or you get a guy that is decent offensively and has issues on D. Hardly any teams ever have a top 4 of guys that give you nothing to complain about. It's just not realistic. Hronek does bring something positive to our D.

Ras was mediocre to bad as the 3C last year. He looked better as a winger last year. I'm expecting him to be 4C or 3W next year.

 

[haulinbass]

Ras was mediocre to bad as the 3C last year. He looked better as a winger last year. I'm expecting him to be 4C or 3W next year.

His last 16 games he went .5ppg and seen a tremendous increase in ice time. He played a lot of C as Larkin was out. Kid played pretty solid in all of the games I seen in that period. I only watched maybe half of the Wings games this season, since I watch a lot of other teams. But he definitely caught my eye towards the end of the year.

 

[cvaicunas]

Zadina , Hronek Vrana and others going to learn new system and if they don't improve they will be gone. I like to see Zadina improve his shot and be on pk regularly.

What have you not liked about Vrana so far?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Zadina , Hronek Vrana and others going to learn new system and if they don't improve they will be gone. I like to see Zadina improve his shot and be on pk regularly.

Is this a joke? Vrana was basically lighting it up under Blashill. And should only be better under Lalonde.

 

[Wings2023playoffs]

Ras was mediocre to bad as the 3C last year. He looked better as a winger last year. I'm expecting him to be 4C or 3W next year.

I think this is Rasmussen's break out year. Last year you could see his confidence growing. I believe he finaly realized opposing players can't deal with his size and strength. Its not uncommon for players built like Ras to get it. He is a bull and with a little work on his skating he could be unstoppable. I hear Montreal is not completely against dealing Josh Anderson. Love to see Stevey Y. Get him in Wings Jersey. Its obvious Stevey is building a big team. How scary good would the Wings become with the giants coming across the pond next year.

 

[The Red Line]

Unrealistic Expectations...

Thats the reason for all this negativity:

Veleno 0.22 PPG
Svechnikov 0.27 PPG
Rasmussen 0.31 PPG
Zadina 0.38 PPG
Fabbri 0.5 PPG
Vrana 0.58 PPG
Bertuzzi 0.68 PPG
Raymond 0.69 PPG
Larkin 0.71 PPG

Our Stars are not insanely good. So we need more of these 0.6+ PPG players, or more 0.5PPG players on our 2nd and 3rd lines.

Zadina missed expectations. But Maybe just maybe he can improve into a 0.45 or 0.5 PPG player, and be worthy of a 3rd line role. Maybe he can improve to Fabbri level. If not... he needs to be beaten by a player who can get 0.5 PPG.

I know points dont mean everything... but for forwards its their bottom line measure. I realize who people play with is a factor, but if you want to stick in this league, you need to up these numbers.

Fabbri needs to move towards 0.55 or 0.6...
Vrana needs to get up to 0.65
Zadina needs to get up to 0.45-0.5

We need improvement in these players... if they don't improve... well we will see what our prospects can do.

P.S. i have no faith yet that Bergren or soderblom or even Kaspar can outplay the current version of Zadina.
We will all see in the next few years

Those are career ppg numbers. Basically all of those guys had higher ppg numbers last season, some of them significantly higher.

 

[sepster]

I think this is Rasmussen's break out year. Last year you could see his confidence growing. I believe he finaly realized opposing players can't deal with his size and strength. Its not uncommon for players built like Ras to get it. He is a bull and with a little work on his skating he could be unstoppable. I hear Montreal is not completely against dealing Josh Anderson. Love to see Stevey Y. Get him in Wings Jersey. Its obvious Stevey is building a big team. How scary good would the Wings become with the giants coming across the pond next year.

I'm interested to see if Rassmussen's game changes at all with Lalonde coming in. One of the things that I noticed in the Athletic write-up on Lalonde is that former players said, "If you were a guy that you got to pro hockey by playing physical, being a presence on the ice, you were expected to do that for him.... your bigger guys gotta be big." How does that expectation apply to Rassmussen? Or Bertuzzi for that matter?

Rassmussen wasn't a bruiser coming up through JRs, but he's easily the biggest forward on the team (until Soderblom makes it) and he tries to act tough, does Lalonde expect him to pick up the physicality and be a presence?

Bertuzzi WAS a very physical guy that would fight often when he was younger, how much physical presence does Lalonde expect Bertuzzi to bring?

 

[TheOctopusKid]

I’ve decided where I’m setting the event moving goalpost of Ras: I’d be content for a Brian Boyle.

He’s cheap, he has a lot of heart. He’s good for 30 points. He can play C or W on the bottom six and is a locker room guy. If Ras lands there, I’m content

 

[NickH8]

I’ve decided where I’m setting the event moving goalpost of Ras: I’d be content for a Brian Boyle.

He’s cheap, he has a lot of heart. He’s good for 30 points. He can play C or W on the bottom six and is a locker room guy. If Ras lands there, I’m content

Not worth the 9th pick but I just want to salvage a useful player out of it.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Not worth the 9th pick but I just want to salvage a useful player out of it.

Unfortunately, He’s never going to be a 9th pick value. Sad noises

 

[BinCookin]

Those are career ppg numbers. Basically all of those guys had higher ppg numbers last season, some of them significantly higher.

I mean fair enough, im lazy... i good way to measure these numbers would be last 3 years or at least 2 years.

 

[Gniwder]

I think this is Rasmussen's break out year. Last year you could see his confidence growing. I believe he finaly realized opposing players can't deal with his size and strength. Its not uncommon for players built like Ras to get it. He is a bull and with a little work on his skating he could be unstoppable. I hear Montreal is not completely against dealing Josh Anderson. Love to see Stevey Y. Get him in Wings Jersey. Its obvious Stevey is building a big team. How scary good would the Wings become with the giants coming across the pond next year.

Do you watch any games? Raz gets knocked off his skates so easily, it's almost funny. He needs to get some lessons from Seider on edging and leveraging. TBH, Seider is so good at it, I'm not sure how he does it. Not much angle on his edges and he'll bowl over everyone except Boyle.

 

[Oddbob]

Do you watch any games? Raz gets knocked off his skates so easily, it's almost funny. He needs to get some lessons from Seider on edging and leveraging. TBH, Seider is so good at it, I'm not sure how he does it. Not much angle on his edges and he'll bowl over everyone except Boyle.

Ras plays like he thinks he is 5'10", which is my biggest complaint about him. You are big buddy, play like it! Seider players like he is 6'8" in contrast.

 

[The Red Line]

I mean fair enough, im lazy... i good way to measure these numbers would be last 3 years or at least 2 years.

I hear you, but you were specifically saying that players needed to be better than those numbers you posted and literally all of them have been over the past 2 seasons. Like saying Larkin is a .71 player when he just put up 69 in 71 clearly doesn't tell the whole picture...

But as far as your point - I agree. We really do not have much, if any, true star talent.

 

[Oddbob]

I hear you, but you were specifically saying that players needed to be better than those numbers you posted and literally all of them have been over the past 2 seasons. Like saying Larkin is a .71 player when he just put up 69 in 71 clearly doesn't tell the whole picture...

But as far as your point - I agree. We really do not have much, if any, true star talent.

Seider may be the only mega star we need.