Zadina

[Hen Kolland]

Honestly at this point I would be okay with waving Zadina. I don't think any other teams see anything in him either not enough scoring for top 6 and not built for bottom 6. He can try Europe.

He would be claimed very quickly. Teams don't want to give up assets, but if they can claim him for no cost, he probably gets snagged by one of the first couple of teams.

Your perception of how the league works is a little sketchy.

 

[Gniwder]

Oh dude, you should have seen the Winging it in Motown comments section meltdowns anytime anyone dare say anything bad about Cholowski, Svechnikov or Zadina from 2018 to 2021. It was insane how certain people were of Cholowski's future all star career in some areas of the internet amongst wings fans.

Oh, I got plenty of flak here by expressing my opinion on all 3, especially from MBH and the guy below (lol):

He would be claimed very quickly. Teams don't want to give up assets, but if they can claim him for no cost, he probably gets snagged by one of the first couple of teams.

Your perception of how the league works is a little sketchy.

I agree, even ChoLOL got claimed once.

 

[Retire91]

He would be claimed very quickly. Teams don't want to give up assets, but if they can claim him for no cost, he probably gets snagged by one of the first couple of teams.

Your perception of how the league works is a little sketchy.

I didn't say he wouldn't get claimed. Your understanding of my post seems a little sketchy.

I feel like its unlikely Yzerman has not shopped him around and he would be gone if we could have gotten something form him. Will he get claimed yes. Will I care if he gets waived, no.

 

[USMarine]

When Zadina gets waived I'll feel the same way as I did about Svechnikov and Cholowski. I'll feel nothing at all.

Don't really care if Zadina gets claimed. Let him bounce around the league. Be somebody else's problem.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I didn't say he wouldn't get claimed. Your understanding of my post seems a little sketchy.

I feel like its unlikely Yzerman has not shopped him around and he would be gone if we could have gotten something form him. Will he get claimed yes. Will I care if he gets waived, no.

You said he can try Europe, implying he has no place in the NHL. But he’s getting claimed nearly immediately as a low cost reclamation project in your scenario.

He might never make it, but you make it seem like he’s negative value. Almost any team in the league would be willing to gamble on him. Whether that’s a basement dweller looking for a cheap free scratch off ticket or a competitor who thinks they can get more out of him by giving him a sheltered role on a third line with good players, not the shit that Detroit has.

 

[Gniwder]

You said he can try Europe, implying he has no place in the NHL. But he’s getting claimed nearly immediately as a low cost reclamation project in your scenario.

He might never make it, but you make it seem like he’s negative value. Almost any team in the league would be willing to gamble on him. Whether that’s a basement dweller looking for a cheap free scratch off ticket or a competitor who thinks they can get more out of him by giving him a sheltered role on a third line with good players, not the shit that Detroit has.

Once again I agree, but he's more than likely to get healthy scratched like ChoLOL did, and I don't think his fragile mind can handle that (or being waived to begin with). So he'll wind up in the AHL then eventually Europe, but he'll definitely get at least one if not two more chances. Perlini did, and he was more useless than Zadina has been.

 

[heyfolks]

IF the team sees him as having a perceived value, they may sign and trade him. If not he would be waived. That said, this roster is still very bad. I don't see him as a strong NHL player. He reminds me of Pulkkinen. Dominant shot in the junior and minor Leagues that doesn't translate to the NHL. In this comparison, Zadina is a better skater, passer and has a better shot. That said, it sill doesn't make him anything better than a perennial AHL all star. He has a $895K cap hit. I can see him getting a 10% bump to $985K for 2 years.

Anything after that and he'll be gone now instead of gone after next season.

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[lilidk]

Wish he gets sent to Rogle

 

[Retire91]

You said he can try Europe, implying he has no place in the NHL. But he’s getting claimed nearly immediately as a low cost reclamation project in your scenario.

He might never make it, but you make it seem like he’s negative value. Almost any team in the league would be willing to gamble on him. Whether that’s a basement dweller looking for a cheap free scratch off ticket or a competitor who thinks they can get more out of him by giving him a sheltered role on a third line with good players, not the shit that Detroit has.

the writing is on the wall I am just cutting to the chase. He certainly will bounce around but I have doubts he sticks. I hope he gives us something in trade but if he hasn't already I think there is little hope. Sometimes it would be nice to just see the team move on from perpetually downward trend players.

Anyway I see Europe in the future, I didn't mean to imply like next season. He will get traded claimed or what not and try to find a home. I just see one team after another discovering there is nothing there.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Sold!

But something tells me that Arizona is going to be looking to hold onto that. They have 3 1st round picks and 4 2nd round picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and turn some of those 2nds into 1sts for some GMs that are looking to compensate for poor positioning at the draft with bulk.

Also this draft seems kind of weak outside of the 1st to me. The OHL taking all of 2020-21 off really didn't do its prospects any favors. And the QMJHL seems pretty weak this year as well. All of that considered, I'd prefer more 2nds in the 2023 draft than 2022.

Agreed on 2023.

Arizona could use some NHL talent, pair Zadina and Hayton.

 

[sepster]

Looking through past draft info today, I came across Zadina's EliteProspects writeup:

"Filip Zadina is a dynamic offensive forward that plays a complete game. A deft and agile skater, he exhibits explosive mobility both up and down the ice. In all three zones, he proactively looks to create problems for the opposition. His awareness is indicative of his high level of hockey sense, and he knows how to make plays and scoring chances materialize. Has a goal scorer's toolbox, complete with the individual puck skills that one comes to expect from today's elite offensive players. The accurate release on his shot is noteworthy and is a defining aspect of his offensive capabilities. Defensively sound, he disrupts lanes and pressures the opposition to make hasty decisions; he is tenacious in pursuit of puck control and transitions up-ice naturally. All-in-all, Zadina can be categorized as both a two-way forward with a well-rounded game and a dominant offensive force."


Four years later, would any of that be considered an accurate description for what Zadina has shown?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Looking through past draft info today, I came across Zadina's EliteProspects writeup:

"Filip Zadina is a dynamic offensive forward that plays a complete game. A deft and agile skater, he exhibits explosive mobility both up and down the ice. In all three zones, he proactively looks to create problems for the opposition. His awareness is indicative of his high level of hockey sense, and he knows how to make plays and scoring chances materialize. Has a goal scorer's toolbox, complete with the individual puck skills that one comes to expect from today's elite offensive players. The accurate release on his shot is noteworthy and is a defining aspect of his offensive capabilities. Defensively sound, he disrupts lanes and pressures the opposition to make hasty decisions; he is tenacious in pursuit of puck control and transitions up-ice naturally. All-in-all, Zadina can be categorized as both a two-way forward with a well-rounded game and a dominant offensive force."


Four years later, would any of that be considered an accurate description for what Zadina has shown?

Not a single word.

 

[wingfan]

Looking through past draft info today, I came across Zadina's EliteProspects writeup:

"Filip Zadina is a dynamic offensive forward that plays a complete game. A deft and agile skater, he exhibits explosive mobility both up and down the ice. In all three zones, he proactively looks to create problems for the opposition. His awareness is indicative of his high level of hockey sense, and he knows how to make plays and scoring chances materialize. Has a goal scorer's toolbox, complete with the individual puck skills that one comes to expect from today's elite offensive players. The accurate release on his shot is noteworthy and is a defining aspect of his offensive capabilities. Defensively sound, he disrupts lanes and pressures the opposition to make hasty decisions; he is tenacious in pursuit of puck control and transitions up-ice naturally. All-in-all, Zadina can be categorized as both a two-way forward with a well-rounded game and a dominant offensive force."


Four years later, would any of that be considered an accurate description for what Zadina has shown?

"High level of hockey sense" might be the most egregious part of this entire assessment. When I think of a player who actually had all the tools but no toolbox in Brendan Smith, there's a reason he's still clinging to 7D roles in the NHL. He actually has NHL speed and occasionally(if on accident) makes a play where you go hey man, if he did that consistently he'd be a legitimate piece on a good hockey team. I see none of that every time I watch Zadina.

 

[Henkka]

Zadina will be our Brett Connolly.

Gone soon. No Yzerman plans around him.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Wasn't he considered a top 3 prospect heading into the draft?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Wasn't he considered a top 3 prospect heading into the draft?

All of HFBoards Wings fans in hindsight:

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Teams before us picked even worse guys in Hayton and Kotkaniemi. Ok i would take Farabee or Hughes IF i knew they would be better than Zadina and you can´t deny that Zadina looked like future 40 goal scorer in his draft year. I just dont know where all his stickhandling shot and shiftiness went, he looked great in his first callup.

 

[GreatGordie9]

Stevie said he wanted to get more done at the draft. I wonder if any of this had to do with Zadina?

 

[Henkka]

Teams before us picked even worse guys in Hayton and Kotkaniemi. Ok i would take Farabee or Hughes IF i knew they would be better than Zadina and you can´t deny that Zadina looked like future 40 goal scorer in his draft year. I just dont know where all his stickhandling shot and shiftiness went, he looked great in his first callup.

That's messy draft in general.

 

[FMichael]

Not a single word.

I understand part of their job (scouts/writers) is hyping the players attributes, but yeah unless Lalonde is a wizard it looks as though Zadina won't last more than a few more seasons in Detroit.

 

[14ari13]

I understand part of their job (scouts/writers) is hyping the players attributes, but yeah unless Lalonde is a wizard it looks as though Zadina won't last more than a few more seasons in Detroit.

I think it will be 10-40 games. If he plays as he did last season, he is done within 40 games. Yzerman will probably trade him for another struggling player.

Looking through past draft info today, I came across Zadina's EliteProspects writeup:

"Filip Zadina is a dynamic offensive forward that plays a complete game. A deft and agile skater, he exhibits explosive mobility both up and down the ice. In all three zones, he proactively looks to create problems for the opposition. His awareness is indicative of his high level of hockey sense, and he knows how to make plays and scoring chances materialize. Has a goal scorer's toolbox, complete with the individual puck skills that one comes to expect from today's elite offensive players. The accurate release on his shot is noteworthy and is a defining aspect of his offensive capabilities. Defensively sound, he disrupts lanes and pressures the opposition to make hasty decisions; he is tenacious in pursuit of puck control and transitions up-ice naturally. All-in-all, Zadina can be categorized as both a two-way forward with a well-rounded game and a dominant offensive force."


Four years later, would any of that be considered an accurate description for what Zadina has shown?

It is like that for the all prospects and then 95% don't even make it to the NHL.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

All of HFBoards Wings fans in hindsight:

he was my dog and i’m sticking with him. Even if i have to put him down

 

[Gniwder]

Teams before us picked even worse guys in Hayton and Kotkaniemi. Ok i would take Farabee or Hughes IF i knew they would be better than Zadina and you can´t deny that Zadina looked like future 40 goal scorer in his draft year. I just dont know where all his stickhandling shot and shiftiness went, he looked great in his first callup.

New players are often given a bit of time and space until the league figures them out. Hirose and Cholo also looked great in their first 10 games.

As for his stickhandling and shiftiness, it consists of that one move where he headfakes then cuts to the middle. It's his only move. Once the league figured it out, the second defenseman just strips him because they know he won't pass. Doesn't have any vision, except when Vrana is on the ice.

Lalonde needs to bench him every time he tries that move.

 

[Filppula]

Looking through past draft info today, I came across Zadina's EliteProspects writeup:

"Filip Zadina is a dynamic offensive forward that plays a complete game. A deft and agile skater, he exhibits explosive mobility both up and down the ice. In all three zones, he proactively looks to create problems for the opposition. His awareness is indicative of his high level of hockey sense, and he knows how to make plays and scoring chances materialize. Has a goal scorer's toolbox, complete with the individual puck skills that one comes to expect from today's elite offensive players. The accurate release on his shot is noteworthy and is a defining aspect of his offensive capabilities. Defensively sound, he disrupts lanes and pressures the opposition to make hasty decisions; he is tenacious in pursuit of puck control and transitions up-ice naturally. All-in-all, Zadina can be categorized as both a two-way forward with a well-rounded game and a dominant offensive force."


Four years later, would any of that be considered an accurate description for what Zadina has shown?

None. It’s like reading the opposite.

What on earth has happened? Coaching, system, found out at NHL level? Bizarre.

 

[Gniwder]

None. It’s like reading the opposite.

What on earth has happened? Coaching, system, found out at NHL level? Bizarre.

Not enough hockey IQ to adjust to the NHL, he still think he's playing in the Q.

For example:
"Defensively sound, he disrupts lanes and pressures the opposition to make hasty decisions"

This is what happens when he "pressures the opposition" in the NHL. He doesn't have enough sense to realize he's about to step into Norris Trophy winner Makar who is twice as fast as him. I bet he's sleeping when the team goes through videos.