I would like to see what he does with a different regime. I would hope whoever takes over is more competent at utilizing players to their skillset, and run a better system than the disaster that was Jeff Blashill. Maybe the new guys can maximize his potential. No harm in keeping him around to see for another 1-2 years. He's 22. Worst case he still sucks and loses a roster spot out of training camp and gets waived.
It's usually the other way around, the players need to adapt to the coach's system. That's why Vrana got traded despite his obvious scoring talent.
Any coach with experience isn't going to pander to a draft bust like Zadina, which is why I said some of these players are in for a shock. A real coach is willing to healthy scratch someone like Vrana and run him out of town, imagine what happens to Hronek or Zadina if they give the new coach any lip.
(Edit: I'm almost willing to bet money Hronek winds up a healthy scratch again, and people here will complain just like when Blash scratched him.)
It's usually the other way around, the players need to adapt to the coach's system. That's why Vrana got traded despite his obvious scoring talent.
Any coach with experience isn't going to pander to a draft bust like Zadina, which is why I said some of these players are in for a shock. A real coach is willing to healthy scratch someone like Vrana and run him out of town, imagine what happens to Hronek or Zadina if they give the new coach any lip.
This is an absurdly silly take. Yes, obviously the inverse of what I said can be true.
But, there are numerous instances of players improving under a new coach and system, and examples have already been mentioned in this very thread.
The main point being, there is absolutely no reason the Wings shouldn't give their 22 year old former top 10 pick a chance to find out which category he falls in.
Give him 1 more year to see if he can improve. If he can't cut bait. I am one of the few that doesn't think he is as bad as some others do, but I'll be ready to move on if he doesn't take a major leap next year.
Give him 1 more year to see if he can improve. If he can't cut bait. I am one of the few that doesn't think he is as bad as some others do, but I'll be ready to move on if he doesn't take a major leap next year.
This is an absurdly silly take. Yes, obviously the inverse of what I said can be true.
But, there are numerous instances of players improving under a new coach and system, and examples have already been mentioned in this very thread.
The main point being, there is absolutely no reason the Wings shouldn't give their 22 year old former top 10 pick a chance to find out which category he falls in.
Not sure why you said silly, because that is how it works. Experienced coaches do not pander to the players like Blash did. Only an inexperienced coach would do that, so we'll see which way Stevie goes.
Best case scenario is that the coach's system and the personnel match like it did in Vancouver. I don't see any system that's actually suited for what we've seen out of Zadina, so I'm not holding out hope for him. It's not gonna be any better for him than what Blash did, as far as letting him be the shooter on the PP (though he got demoted to PP2).
Worst case scenario, the coach decides all these guys I mentioned previously are worthless, lol.
New coach increases chances of him staying, particularly if its one that encourages some east-west play as well as north-south. A genuine second line center, thus bumping talent down would help too. Zadina's output has been less than the sum of his parts, but I'm not sure he's a great fit for Blahill hockey. Either way his trade value is so low now, there's not much to lose by seeing if he can step up with a different coaching staff
If Stevie hires an experienced NHL coach then Zadina, Hronek, and Erne are screwed unless they can bring another level of effort and toughness.
I also think this marks the end for DDK, and Oesterle will be relegated to 7th D. No point in offering QO to Stephens or Juolevi, any coach that wants to stay in the NHL isn't going to play either of those 2.
If Stevie doesn't wind up signing some decent UFAs, the new coach won't last long.
I don't think he will be headed to arbitration. He knows he hasn't shown anything to get anywhere with an arbitrator.
My guess is a 1 or 2 year deal worth $1.5M -$2.0M per year. That would be best for him and the club.
Personally, I think he will be gone this summer, contract or no contract. There's just no room for him with Berggren coming up, and Soderblom and Andreasson coming over from Sweden. On top of that, we'll hopefully trade for or sign a #1or2C. He might be part of that package.
It's usually the other way around, the players need to adapt to the coach's system. That's why Vrana got traded despite his obvious scoring talent.
Any coach with experience isn't going to pander to a draft bust like Zadina, which is why I said some of these players are in for a shock. A real coach is willing to healthy scratch someone like Vrana and run him out of town, imagine what happens to Hronek or Zadina if they give the new coach any lip.
(Edit: I'm almost willing to bet money Hronek winds up a healthy scratch again, and people here will complain just like when Blash scratched him.)
I think most people on this board are finally catching on to Hronek not being a very good defenseman. It's just that they went so many years watching old washed up vets like Green and Daley and young idiot defensemen like Cholowski, Bowey and Smith that they forgot what a truly good defenseman like Seider looked like and mistook Hronek as better than what he is as a result.
Literally clicked just to see how badly he was getting smashed.
Too early to move on IMO. Yes he's sucked but it's too early. He'll be cheap and in early 20's. Agree with the 1.5 and 2 mill contracts.
Regarding coach and system.. almost all the Oiler's improved after Tipp was fired. We had no secondary scoring and a tonne of strugglers.. they all seemed to 'find their game' with a new coach.
It's usually the other way around, the players need to adapt to the coach's system. That's why Vrana got traded despite his obvious scoring talent.
Any coach with experience isn't going to pander to a draft bust like Zadina, which is why I said some of these players are in for a shock. A real coach is willing to healthy scratch someone like Vrana and run him out of town, imagine what happens to Hronek or Zadina if they give the new coach any lip.
(Edit: I'm almost willing to bet money Hronek winds up a healthy scratch again, and people here will complain just like when Blash scratched him.)
Why not let the next coach decide how he wants to use Zadina or cut bait. I'm sure the bext guy will have some say in who fits his system, where they fit the system, and if they don't send them away.
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Why not let the next coach decide how he wants to use Zadina or cut bait. I'm sure the bext guy will have some say in who fits his system, where they fit the system, and if they don't send them away.
I would offer him one year and give him a chance to play on a top-6 role with some talent. When he had his moments, he looked great, but unfortunately those moments were uncommon, and definitely none existent when he's playing a bottom-6 role.
I give him a 2 year deal to see how he does with new coach and system in place unless he is currently part of getting us an upgrade at center or d. I still think he could get it going, although he definitely needs to hire a skating coach to improve his acceleration and needs to learn to get into open passing lanes so people can get him the puck. Right now, he stays too close to the puck and his teammates. If he doesn't improve his skating, than he will need to learn to become a really good two way player to stick in this league. He also needs to stop getting upset every time the puck doesn't go in, as almost every time he shoots it and it doesn't go in, he looks super frustrated. He just needs to adopt a forget about the ones that don't go in, and focus on getting in the next one. I also don't think his game at the NHL level is one time slap shots from Ovechkin range as he doesn't have the shot to make many of those. He needs to be closer to the net and use wrist shots.
I give him a 2 year deal to see how he does with new coach and system in place unless he is currently part of getting us an upgrade at center or d. I still think he could get it going, although he definitely needs to hire a skating coach to improve his acceleration and needs to learn to get into open passing lanes so people can get him the puck. Right now, he stays too close to the puck and his teammates. If he doesn't improve his skating, than he will need to learn to become a really good two way player to stick in this league. He also needs to stop getting upset every time the puck doesn't go in, as almost every time he shoots it and it doesn't go in, he looks super frustrated. He just needs to adopt a forget about the ones that don't go in, and focus on getting in the next one. I also don't think his game at the NHL level is one time slap shots from Ovechkin range as he doesn't have the shot to make many of those. He needs to be closer to the net and use wrist shots.
He gives up on plays too easily on both ends of the ice. Miss a step in coverage, and he gives up on the play instead of chasing his man down. Miss the net or get the puck stripped, and he's there throwing a hissy fit instead of getting the puck back.
He needs to grow up, and I really don't think a real coach would put up with any of that, not at Zadina's talent level. I get the feeling that a new coach is actually going to speed up the bust process instead of elevating him like some people here think.
... or maybe we get lucky and he does a 180 and turns his attitude around and works hard over the summer knowing he's getting a new coach. One could always hope I guess.
He gives up on plays too easily on both ends of the ice. Miss a step in coverage, and he gives up on the play instead of chasing his man down. Miss the net or get the puck stripped, and he's there throwing a hissy fit instead of getting the puck back.
He needs to grow up, and I really don't think a real coach would put up with any of that, not at Zadina's talent level. I get the feeling that a new coach is actually going to speed up the bust process instead of elevating him like some people here think.
... or maybe we get lucky and he does a 180 and turns his attitude around and works hard over the summer knowing he's getting a new coach. One could always hope I guess.
You really have the best eye at finding all the things wrong with players you don't like, because as much as you think he quits and throws fits, I feel like I've seen him be the only backchecking forward who is able to take away a trailing forward. The guy who lifts a stick and creates a takeaway for his defensemen.
I would love to have a sports psychologist interview these kids ahead of the draft to see how they are wired. And I mean like a true sports psychologist, not ex-hockey guy that thinks he understands what it takes. Because when I see Zadina's comments through the media or his body language and facial expressions on the bench or in the locker room, he's a guy that looks to be harder on himself than any one of his critics could possibly be. He looks like he has no joy in being out there and no faith in his game, and that confidence is probably the most concerning thing right now because no amount of coaching can convince him to lighten up on himself.
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