Zadina

[WF19]

Vrana - Raymond
Fabbri - Bertuzzi
Berggren - Zadina
Erne - Sundqvist
Smith - Gagner

Pontus GR, unless Fabbri still out.

Yzerman has said Berggren will get every opportunity to play in the top 6 or he would of been with the team this year, Pontus i also believe to be on the team

 

[nbwingsfan]

I think most people on this board are finally catching on to Hronek not being a very good defenseman. It's just that they went so many years watching old washed up vets like Green and Daley and young idiot defensemen like Cholowski, Bowey and Smith that they forgot what a truly good defenseman like Seider looked like and mistook Hronek as better than what he is as a result.

Post automatically merged: May 2, 2022

Maltby and Zadina having a similar work ethic?

Hronek in a bottom pairing role is fine. Shelter him against poor competition and with a solid stay at home D (not Leddy) and I think he comes out as a positive. No matter how bad his D play is, there’s still a lot of value in a guy that’s great on the transition and can still create offense from the back end.

He just can’t be in a top 4 role for an extended period of time if we want to be successful. He’s also a good ~$2M overpaid but that’s fine with our current cap situation

 

[golffuul]

Hronek in a bottom pairing role is fine. Shelter him against poor competition and with a solid stay at home D (not Leddy) and I think he comes out as a positive. No matter how bad his D play is, there’s still a lot of value in a guy that’s great on the transition and can still create offense from the back end.

He just can’t be in a top 4 role for an extended period of time if we want to be successful. He’s also a good ~$2M overpaid but that’s fine with our current cap situation

Sadly, defensemen are harder to shelter unless you cut their minutes down significantly. Especially on the road.

 

[Hammettf2b]

I'd like to see what he can do with a new coach.

 

[Gniwder]

You really have the best eye at finding all the things wrong with players you don't like, because as much as you think he quits and throws fits, I feel like I've seen him be the only backchecking forward who is able to take away a trailing forward. The guy who lifts a stick and creates a takeaway for his defensemen.

I would love to have a sports psychologist interview these kids ahead of the draft to see how they are wired. And I mean like a true sports psychologist, not ex-hockey guy that thinks he understands what it takes. Because when I see Zadina's comments through the media or his body language and facial expressions on the bench or in the locker room, he's a guy that looks to be harder on himself than any one of his critics could possibly be. He looks like he has no joy in being out there and no faith in his game, and that confidence is probably the most concerning thing right now because no amount of coaching can convince him to lighten up on himself.

I think it's the other way around, he does have highlight steals every now and then and his backers will try to use that as proof that he's good defensively when every metrics says he's terrible. He can't be on the top line because top pair D like Makar or McAvoy will beat him at will. He doesn't anticipate where the puck carrier is going to go, he just heads right for the puck. Works well if he sneaks in from behind, but not so well when they see him coming.

I don't like him because he makes the same mistake game after game on both ends of the ice. Every once in a while he'll make a fantastic play then go right back to doing crap that doesn't work. Every time he gets the puck, I expect him to cut right, headfake the D then cut towards the middle and get stripped of the puck. He doesn't understand he's neither slick enough or fast enough to split NHL D in the middle. He should be moved to the left side to force him to change his game and teach him how to protect the puck with his body like Zetterberg.

I know GMs aren't "true sports psychologists", but I get the feeling that the interview process was one of the reasons why he fell. Pure speculation of course.

 

[Oddbob]

Vrana - Raymond
Fabbri - Bertuzzi
Berggren - Zadina
Erne - Sundqvist
Smith - Gagner

Pontus GR, unless Fabbri still out.

Who is Pontus?

 

[golffuul]

Who is Pontus?

Andreasson...the SHL guy we signed near the end of the year.

 

[Oddbob]

Andreasson...the SHL guy we signed near the end of the year.

Ah, no wonder I didn't recognize the name.

I don't think he is a lock at all to make the team, more like a guy who will get a chance to make the team.

 

[WF19]

Ah, no wonder I didn't recognize the name.

I don't think he is a lock at all to make the team, more like a guy who will get a chance to make the team.

For sure he's not a lock by any means and more likely headed to GR but there is alot of wingers that are fighting for spots. For all we know Zadina is signed cheap and losses his spot in training camp. There is no room for him in the top six so likely bottom 6 or traded

 

[Hen Kolland]

I think it's the other way around, he does have highlight steals every now and then and his backers will try to use that as proof that he's good defensively when every metrics says he's terrible. He can't be on the top line because top pair D like Makar or McAvoy will beat him at will. He doesn't anticipate where the puck carrier is going to go, he just heads right for the puck. Works well if he sneaks in from behind, but not so well when they see him coming.

I don't like him because he makes the same mistake game after game on both ends of the ice. Every once in a while he'll make a fantastic play then go right back to doing crap that doesn't work. Every time he gets the puck, I expect him to cut right, headfake the D then cut towards the middle and get stripped of the puck. He doesn't understand he's neither slick enough or fast enough to split NHL D in the middle. He should be moved to the left side to force him to change his game and teach him how to protect the puck with his body like Zetterberg.

I know GMs aren't "true sports psychologists", but I get the feeling that the interview process was one of the reasons why he fell. Pure speculation of course.

Those cuts to the middle are things that are generally a positive plays for most players, but with the support this team gives the puck carrier, it's going to be worthless 99 reps out of 100. You watch enough to be able to see the tendencies in Zadina's cut to the middle, then you definitely should be able to see how our zone entries are a disaster. One guy hits the line and everyone else is at a standstill just starting to move their feet. Zadina or Raymond or Larkin all deal with the same thing. They get to just above the hash marks along the boards and have no outlet more than half the time.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Sadly, defensemen are harder to shelter unless you cut their minutes down significantly. Especially on the road.

Which is exactly what I think we should do with him. Yes having that salary in low minutes isn’t ideal but we have so much space it won’t hurt us in the short term and I think he would thrive in that role

 

[TheOtherOne]

"Too many forwards to fit into the top 6" is a hilarious problem to invent. The rules actually don't specify that you're only allowed to have 2 good lines and 2 invisible lines.

 

[SantosHalper]

Yzerman has said Berggren will get every opportunity to play in the top 6 or he would of been with the team this year, Pontus i also believe to be on the team

Switch Fabbri and Berggren then.

 

[Gniwder]

Those cuts to the middle are things that are generally a positive plays for most players, but with the support this team gives the puck carrier, it's going to be worthless 99 reps out of 100. You watch enough to be able to see the tendencies in Zadina's cut to the middle, then you definitely should be able to see how our zone entries are a disaster. One guy hits the line and everyone else is at a standstill just starting to move their feet. Zadina or Raymond or Larkin all deal with the same thing. They get to just above the hash marks along the boards and have no outlet more than half the time.

Keep in mind he's playing the opposite wing (left handed playing right wing), when he cuts towards the middle the stick is too. That's why it's so easy for the other D to strip him. If Raymond or Larkin are cutting to the middle, it means they beat their D coverage and can shield the puck from the second defenseman. So even on a 1 on 2 situation, it works out worse than it does for any other player. Hence I keep saying he needs to switch sides, plus one of his best plays this season was when he circled behind the net from the left side and set up Oesterle. Once.... and I haven't seen him protect the puck to the outside since.

Also, part of the issue is that Zadina doesn't have good vision. Raymond knows what he's going to do with the puck before he touches it. I think it's the reason why Zadina plays well with Vrana because his default decision is to pass to Vrana when they're playing together. It simplifies the decision process for him.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Those cuts to the middle are things that are generally a positive plays for most players, but with the support this team gives the puck carrier, it's going to be worthless 99 reps out of 100. You watch enough to be able to see the tendencies in Zadina's cut to the middle, then you definitely should be able to see how our zone entries are a disaster. One guy hits the line and everyone else is at a standstill just starting to move their feet. Zadina or Raymond or Larkin all deal with the same thing. They get to just above the hash marks along the boards and have no outlet more than half the time.

Consistently working off of the puck is not a strong suit of this team. It also doesn't help that we have a hard time getting numbers up the ice simultaneously.

Zadina will get re-signed (as he should) because he is cheap and cost controlled. If he doesn't improve he will get passed and eventually waived (where someone will take a chance on him as a free reclamation project). He has no trade value and a shit-stacking trade won't change that.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Zadina for Arizona 2022 2nd?

 

[USMarine]

Zadina is one of the worst players to put on a Wings sweater in recent years. 2nd only to Cholowski. I'm not convinced he has any weight in a trade at this point. Best to probably just let him play and waive him when it becomes necessary.

 

[Gniwder]

Zadina is one of the worst players to put on a Wings sweater in recent years. 2nd only to Cholowski. I'm not convinced he has any weight in a trade at this point. Best to probably just let him play and waive him when it becomes necessary.

I'm not a fan but let's not take the hyperbole that far, lol.

Djoos, Bowey, Oesterle, Ehn, Perlini, Stephens (yeah I'm going there), Nielsen, Abby, Brome, Hungry Howie, etc

This team has thrown some AHL talent on the ice, and not even good AHL talent. If Zadina does get waived, I'm sure he'll do fine in the AHL. He's like Cholo, thinks too slow and always a step behind, but excels in a slower league.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Zadina for Arizona 2022 2nd?

Sold!

But something tells me that Arizona is going to be looking to hold onto that. They have 3 1st round picks and 4 2nd round picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and turn some of those 2nds into 1sts for some GMs that are looking to compensate for poor positioning at the draft with bulk.

Also this draft seems kind of weak outside of the 1st to me. The OHL taking all of 2020-21 off really didn't do its prospects any favors. And the QMJHL seems pretty weak this year as well. All of that considered, I'd prefer more 2nds in the 2023 draft than 2022.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

As much as you hate him zadina is in the NHL and only 22, you guys would want to trade him for a 2nd round pick that has a high chance of never even making the league? Sometimes I really question what you all are thinking.

 

[USMarine]

I'm not a fan but let's not take the hyperbole that far, lol.

Djoos, Bowey, Oesterle, Ehn, Perlini, Stephens (yeah I'm going there), Nielsen, Abby, Brome, Hungry Howie, etc

This team has thrown some AHL talent on the ice, and not even good AHL talent. If Zadina does get waived, I'm sure he'll do fine in the AHL. He's like Cholo, thinks too slow and always a step behind, but excels in a slower league.

I should refine my statement. Was thinking of players we drafted and decided to ice. Hence my comparison to Cholo.

I guess we drafted Ehn of those players. Call it hyperbole if you like, but I think Ehn is a more usable player in the NHL than Zadina. At least can play a limited ice time bottom 6 defensive role.

 

[Gniwder]

I should refine my statement. Was thinking of players we drafted and decided to ice. Hence my comparison to Cholo.

I guess we drafted Ehn of those players. Call it hyperbole if you like, but I think Ehn is a more usable player in the NHL than Zadina. At least can play a limited ice time bottom 6 defensive role.

He's certainly a disappointment for a 6th OA pick. I think both him and ChoLOL got promoted to the NHL too quickly because the team was desperate for anything above mediocre AHL talent. Both should've stayed in GR until they learned to win puck battles along with Raz.

I said ChoLOL would wash out of the league his rookie year, everyone argued against me. Zadina has a lot of the same issues when it comes to not being able to think at NHL speed and not being physical enough to win puck battles.

 

[USMarine]

He's certainly a disappointment for a 6th OA pick. I think both him and ChoLOL got promoted to the NHL too quickly because the team was desperate for anything above mediocre AHL talent. Both should've stayed in GR until they learned to win puck battles along with Raz.

I said ChoLOL would wash out of the league his rookie year, everyone argued against me. Zadina has a lot of the same issues when it comes to not being able to think at NHL speed and not being physical enough to win puck battles.

100%

Both promoted to quickly. I could see Cholo was a dumpster fire from his first game in red.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He's certainly a disappointment for a 6th OA pick. I think both him and ChoLOL got promoted to the NHL too quickly because the team was desperate for anything above mediocre AHL talent. Both should've stayed in GR until they learned to win puck battles along with Raz.

I said ChoLOL would wash out of the league his rookie year, everyone argued against me. Zadina has a lot of the same issues when it comes to not being able to think at NHL speed and not being physical enough to win puck battles.

Oh dude, you should have seen the Winging it in Motown comments section meltdowns anytime anyone dare say anything bad about Cholowski, Svechnikov or Zadina from 2018 to 2021. It was insane how certain people were of Cholowski's future all star career in some areas of the internet amongst wings fans.

 

[Retire91]

Honestly at this point I would be okay with waving Zadina. I don't think any other teams see anything in him either not enough scoring for top 6 and not built for bottom 6. He can try Europe.