Value of: your best offer for Evan Bouchard and Ryan McLeod (with a few stipulations)

[Skolman]

Most defenseman are elite passers that's why there in the nhl

Most NHL players are elite skaters, that's why they're in the NHL.

 

[GCK]

To the OP, it would be dumb to move them.

 

[JoeSakic13]

 

[bernmeister]

Interesting. Broberg is one of the Oilers prospects that's actually worth something. He's going to be an big NHL defenseman who can skate.

Broberg is a work in process. Most of the hf crowd want to use him as trade bait. The player is one of the better positional defensemen in the Oilers organization. He needs a better coach so he can take the next step to realize his potential.

The Oilers are coached for offense. Full stop. Positionally strong defensemen and defensively aware players in general at any position isn't a thing the Oilers do.

I can't see them winning a cup with Woodcroft's coaching. It's bad, he needs to be fired.

A fair enough + assessment as best I can tell, I defer to your assessment of Oil situation.

As I said, I champion competition of ideas. For the right return in the right currency for Rs, moving LaF could make sense. Whether or not Oil are highest bidder remains to be seen; figure Brob would have to be part of the return to NY

 

[Broberg Speed]

Bouchard and Foegele for Anderson (1m retained), Mailloux, Flames 1st

At the very first glance I was thinking Rasmus Andersson at 1M retained until 2025-26, and a Flames first topped with a prospect. That had me interested because I'm the one Oilers fan who really likes Rasmus Andersson and at 3.5M that makes sense.

It wasn't until I looked up Mailloux did I realize you meant Josh Anderson.

I respect that you added some value from the Habs but if Montreal could get Foegele for Anderson straight up they take that, run, and never look back.

No to this trade proposal.

 

[LemonSauceD]

A 5th round pick and a half filled opened pack of Doritos. If you want flaming hot Cheetos instead, you’d have to attach a 1st rounder

 

[gianni]

How much is Evan Bouchard's camp looking for in a contract extension? Has his agent/media mentioned any comparables?

 

[HABitual Fan]

Bouchard and Foegele for Anderson (1m retained), Mailloux, Flames 1st

Montreal wouldn't even consider this. Mailloux alone has more potential than Bouchard. He is what Edmonton fans wish Bouchard was. PP QB, great skater, physical. Both needing work on the defensive side, difference being one is 23 and the other 20. Bouchard is not going to improve his skating, so I will take.my chances on Mailloux, nevermind all the added pieces in your proposal.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Montreal wouldn't even consider this. Mailloux alone has more potential than Bouchard. He is what Edmonton fans wish Bouchard was. PP QB, great skater, physical. Both needing work on the defensive side, difference being one is 23 and the other 20. Bouchard is not going to improve his skating, do I will take.my chances on Mailloux, nevermind all the added pieces in your proposal.

I don't believe so. That's not remotely correct IMO.

One player is a prospect, not even a great one, and the other scores more than a point per game in the playoffs.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I don't believe so. That's not remotely correct IMO.

One player is a prospect, not even a great one, and the other scores more than a point per game in the playoffs.

Great, keep the 3rd pairing PP specialist, and I'll take my chances on the potential of Mailloux to develop into more than that, as well as the other assets in the proposal.. A rebuilding team should be expending assets for top talent only, not on one trick ponies like Bouchard who won't put up points away from a PP that Chris Wideman would put up a PPG if he was playing on it.

 

[Broberg Speed]

There's an opinion. A 3rd pairing PP specialist. And Mailloux is a 50/50 candidate in the NHL. A bit of a long shot IMO.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

From AZ: Travis Boyd + Liam O'Brien + EDM '24 3rd for McLeod + Lavoie + EDM '24 5th

Coyotes get younger players and can provide opportunity.

Oilers get more mature players with cheap cap hits.

God no. We literally just signed Lavoie. A guy with a sub 900k with potential isn’t a player you move for cap space.

 

[Nstar to Wild]

Doesn't Bouchard describe a lot of young defensemen in certain situations. Their offensive capabilities are promising, however the defensive abilities have many holes. Sounds like a two or three year bridge at 3.5 Million. In another thread I saw an Edmonton fan(s) propose a 8 yr / $8 million Deal - That's preposterous.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Doesn't Bouchard describe a lot of young defensemen in certain situations. Their offensive capabilities are promising, however the defensive abilities have many holes. Sounds like a two or three year bridge at 3.5 Million. In another thread I saw an Edmonton fan(s) propose a 8 yr / $8 million Deal - That's preposterous.

I think a realistic outcome is a two year bridge at 4 - 4.5M AAV. You have to pay him commensurate for what he produced this past season and that's at least 4-4.5M in value considering the playoff run.

 

[gach]

I don't believe so. That's not remotely correct IMO.

One player is a prospect, not even a great one, and the other scores more than a point per game in the playoffs.

So what Montreal won't make the playoffs

 

[Nstar to Wild]

I think a realistic outcome is a two year bridge at 4 - 4.5M AAV. You have to pay him commensurate for what he produced this past season and that's at least 4-4.5M in value considering the playoff run.

I won't dispute dollar amount (I'll admit my ignorance) - Generally speaking, it seems fans are so quick to think they have the next great defenseman and it normally is not the case.

 

[MessierII]

How can you claim to have watched a lot of Oiler games, yet you apparently don’t know that Bouchard got ZERO power play time until the trade deadline when Barrie got traded for Ekholm?

Zero is an exaggeration but yeah your point stands.

 

[ToDavid]

Montreal wouldn't even consider this. Mailloux alone has more potential than Bouchard. He is what Edmonton fans wish Bouchard was. PP QB, great skater, physical. Both needing work on the defensive side, difference being one is 23 and the other 20. Bouchard is not going to improve his skating, so I will take.my chances on Mailloux, nevermind all the added pieces in your proposal.

Junior is a long way from the NHL…

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Robin Lehner and a snake farm in Arkansas

 

[Double Dion]

No interest at all in Bouchard. I'd have interest in McLeod. Especially if Backlund and Lindholm are leaving. I really like McLeod and think he's been under utilized in Edmonton. What would be the ask on McLeod?

 

[Garbageyuk]

I wouldn’t give anything for him. He’s a bottom pairing offensive specialist in the mold of Marc-Andre Bergeron. He only has that reputation due to his numbers being inflated by playing with McDrai and a historically good power play. Even with these advantages, his numbers are unimpressive. On most any team other than the Oilers, he’s a bottom pairing/7th defenseman at best.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Junior is a long way from the NHL…

Nobody said otherwise. Montreal is in no hurry, so why give up assets for a player who really doesn't move the needle in terms of contention for the playoffs? Smarter to use the next couple of years to evaluate what is already in the system, and use the draft assets in his proposal to bring in even more prospects. Bouchard is not what Montreal needs long-term.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Nobody said otherwise. Montreal is in no hurry, so why give up assets for a player who really doesn't move the needle in terms of contention for the playoffs? Smarter to use the next couple of years to evaluate what is already in the system, and use the draft assets in his proposal to bring in even more prospects. Bouchard is not what Montreal needs long-term.

With Montreal having so many draft picks it will be interesting to see if they can first identify and then retain the prospects that end up being the cream of the crop many years down the road. Where will all these players be playing when they are 25 to 30 years old, which ones slip through the cracks?

How many prospects can Montreal fit in the organization and how will they develop with limited icetime due to the logjam?

As a fan of the game this will be a top intrigue of mine along with the progression of the costly acquisitions of Dach and Newhook.

And to be honest I wouldn't trade Bouchard for Dach and Newhook together in a package even if Montreal retained to make the salaries even out.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I mean, good outlet passes are sort of the bare minimum for a defenseman. Not really a feather in his cap so much as the basic requirement of an NHL defenseman.

And as I said, the big point bomb is dying because of the diamond pk response to the 1-3-1 PP everyone is running. They stick 2 guys in the center lane so shots just don't get through anymore.

He's positioned as a top 4 offensive guy but in the modern NHL you would expect someone like that to have elite mobility and skating.

If someone doesn't have that, they tend to focus more on the defensive side of things. But Bouchard isn't particularly great there either.

I just don't see what Edmonton fans see. The PP is very much run by McDavid, that's why he's constantly dropping back to the blue line. Bouchard is just a bumper between McDavid up high on the left side and Drai down low on the right.

That's why he only had 2 PP goals all season. He's not really doing a whole lot back there. At least nothing that would warrant something like a 1st round pick.

I just don't see it man. 2nd and a prospect is where I'm at, and that's only because he's young and will likely improve his game.

I see Severson as his ceiling. What would prime Severson fetch? Probably not a 1st right? Like a 2nd a prospect?

He really didn't get on the PP until the deadline. Barrie was on the PP before then. It looks like you are intentionally selling him short. His breakout pass isn't a "bare minimum" skill either. There's a difference between the standard breakout pass that an average defender does and the stretch passes Bouchard hits on the regular.

 

[Ninety7]

Bouchard is below average defensively.

But the guy can shoot the pill and pass. He’s got really good offensive instincts. And he’s a RD. No issue QBing the power play.

Lot of people are out to lunch on his value here.