Proposal: Would you trade Stutzle for Matthews?

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Obviously, they would have to add a lot to him. Ottawa is rebuilding they are not going to trade their star, prospects and picks.

Are you saying they would have to add a lot to Stutzle in order for the leafs to trade Mathews to Ottawa?

 

[Stolie the Goalie]

There was a time when HF wouldn't trade Pettersson or Barzal for Matthews.

 

[Bfan14]

33 points in 39 games?

Definitely not his typical production, but most overhyped player in NHL history? Lol.

When he was scoring at a way higher level in the regular season? Yeahs he's been garbage.

What are his stats is series elimination games?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I love how dishonest you constantly are LOL it's pathetic.

Dishonest? I stated facts.

When Matthews was 19 / a rookie he finished first on the Leafs in scoring, won the Calder and was 2nd in the entire league in goals. His sophomore season he had 63 pts in 62 games and scored at a 45 goal pace, 6 pts behind Mitch Marner who played a full 82 games.

Did I make any claims about their earlier seasons? I said "when Matthews was Stutle's age". Stutzle is 21. I don't know why you are bringing up his age 19 and 20 yr numbers. Pretty dishonest of you.

His third season he missed 14 games again but still scored 73 in 68 and was on pace for ~90 pts/45 goals, he would've been close to Marner over a full year.

Stutzle's currently scoring at a 42 goal 93 point pace. Matthews paced for 45 goals and 88 points (not "~90", Mr. Dishonesty).

Matthews had two teammates at or above him in scoring (Marner 26g 94p, Tavares 47g 88p). He didn't even play as the team's top center that year - Tavares did. And still somehow Matthews managed to be a -9 on a team with a +36 5v5 goal differential.

Meanwhile Stutzle is taking on all the difficult matchup as the Sens #1C, and is outpacing the Sens next highest scorer by 9 points (Tkachuk on pace for 85 points). And he's a +1 on a team with a -18 goal differential at 5v5.

If we grant Matthews those 14 extra games and assume he got to 88 points that year, he'd have finish 17th in scoring.
If we grant Stutzle his 4 games he missed, he'd be 18th in scoring this year.

They were remarkably comparable in their 21 year old seasons. I'd give the edge to Stutzle because of his motor, compete level, and two way play.

And despite the games he's missed, he's still 2nd in goals since entering the league, only 3 behind Ovi who has played 32 more games. In terms of goals per game Matthews dominates the rest of the pack.

Nobody is arguing that Matthews has had a bad career lol. You're arguing with nobody, which is pretty dishonest of you.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Are you saying they would have to add a lot to Stutzle in order for the leafs to trade Mathews to Ottawa?

Kind of, more so that Ottawa would bother beginning negotiations unless it was worth their while.

 

[TeamRenzo]

At the same salary and term. Yes.
Also since Matthews plays center I probably do it anyway

Stutzle plays center as well.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Not a chance I'd move Stutzle for AM. They are both elite talents, but AM is a diva and Timmy is full of heart. It's an easy choice for me if deciding who I'd want to take to battle in the playoffs.

 

[DomBarr]

Yeah, I think it’s very likely the Leafs re-sign him, but you have to think he’ll point to last season and demand at least MacKinnon’s $s.

you have to think that he’ll point to his NMC, the term remaining and the leagues revenue projections and go give me more. The leafs opening offer will be more than MacKinnons

 

[NyQuil]

Obviously, they would have to add a lot to him. Ottawa is rebuilding they are not going to trade their star, prospects and picks.

Why on Earth would Ottawa have to add to trade 8 more years of Stutzle for one more year of Matthews?

 

[Big Muddy]

Funny that he can't spell his first or last name correctly.

It's 2023, and folks don't like to write sentences, use punctuation, grammar, love typos, misspelled words, etc. Just look at a few pages in here to get a sample.

Plus, as others have mentioned, it looks like Methot deliberately misspelled the name.

 

[BradyTkachucky]

Sens fan voting HELL yes, and I’m a big Jimmy fan.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Why on Earth would Ottawa have to add to trade 8 more years of Stutzle for one more year of Matthews?

They wouldn't "Ottawa is rebuilding they are not going to trade their star, prospects and picks."

 

[NyQuil]

They wouldn't "Ottawa is rebuilding they are not going to trade their star, prospects and picks."

No one would add for a single season of a superstar on the verge of UFA, even McDavid, unless the team was beyond 100% confident that they could get a deal done.

In the cap world, contract status matters just as much, if not more, than how the individual player is actually playing. Sad perhaps, but true.

 

[benjiv1]

Matthews is a superstar, a “down” year doesn’t change that, however considering age and expected salary, I think most people without any attachment to either player would take Timmy based on those circumstances.

However, I fully expect Matthews to be more productive over the next 4 seasons, so you have to weigh the additional salary Vs the additional production.

Matthews has also been really good defensively. Timmy has been getting better, but isn’t there yet.

 

[jellybeans]

Because of their current i wouldn't even if Matthews is the better player.

 

[Big Muddy]

32 teams can get Matthews for nothing except $$$, 31 teams can get Stutzle for assets and $$$, so Matthews is actually "cheaper" to acquire.

In theory, yes that's true. In practice, a lot of those teams would have trouble accommodating Matthew's contract. This applies to any large contract though of course.

 

[Leaf Fans]

No one would add for a single season of a superstar on the verge of UFA, even McDavid, unless the team was beyond 100% confident that they could get a deal done.

In the cap world, contract status matters just as much, if not more, than how the individual player is actually playing. Sad perhaps, but true.

Team building means more.

It's 2023, and folks don't like to write sentences, use punctuation, grammar, love typos, misspelled words, etc. Just look at a few pages in here to get a sample.


Plus, as others have mentioned, it looks like Methot deliberately misspelled the name.

Methot definitely misspelled the name in purpose. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

 

[Big Muddy]

Would I rather have a two-time Rocket Richard winner, the raining Hart Trophy winner, or Stuzle?
GP G A P +/-
53 12 17 29 -18
79 22 36 58 -27
59 31 35 66 0


Meh production on a non-playoff team, what am I missing here?One solid season, -45 player. Stuzle's best season is comparable to Matthew's worst.

HFBoard: Give me the guy that's 26th in scoring currently (Stuzle's only NHL major award)

Re: bolded

A better comparison.

Those are Stutzle's rookie and 2nd years, and the Senators were pretty bad then. Might want to use Stutzle's stats for this year to get a better idea of what Stutzle is all about, or watch him.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Methot triggered by all those years of Leaf fans occupying his home stadium lol...Objectively I don't think you are going to get realistic answers from Sens/Leafs fans. How is Stutzle's defensive game? That's a big thing to consider as well.

Stutzle is better than Matthews at everything.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

This is just a wildly transparent poll. Not surprised these are popping up with Matthews slumping this year. It kind of does a disservice to Stutzle, too.

 

[Akrapovince]

Leafs were irrelevant during Methot's time in Ottawa.

Stützle has come a long way defensively... he is a very good PKer and has grown leaps and bounds since moving to C. Not elite but good for his age.

If he stops trying to score goals on the PK I think he can go from a very good PKer to an elite one.

But maybe that’s what makes him so good on the PK. I love Timmy on the PK until he gets the puck in the other teams zone.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

Not a chance I'd move Stutzle for AM. They are both elite talents, but AM is a diva and Timmy is full of heart. It's an easy choice for me if deciding who I'd want to take to battle in the playoffs.

Also, based on their contracts, it would be likely that Ottawa would have to shed 2 players to keep Matthews. And I personally don't think that would be worth it.

Obviously this year Stutzle is doing really well, we can't predict the future. Same goes for Matthews. We can't predict if this year will be what continues or he returns to last year's form. But for Ottawa to take on such a large contract (and a bigger one if he resigned, which I doubt he would), it just doesn't make sense for Ottawa.

 

[Czechboy]

8 contract starts next year.

Yes, and after 1 year (7 years left) Matthews will have a new contract. I'm going out on a limb and saying that when Stutzl has 7 years left that Matthews is making even more money than he is now and that the term is at least 7 years.

I'd rather compare the 7 years they are both on their new contract then compare year 1 of Stutzl and Matthews last year of his contract.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

There was a time when HF wouldn't trade Pettersson or Barzal for Matthews.

I wouldn't trade EP for Matthews. Not because Matthews isn't the better player, simply because I can't imagine how much Matthews gets on his next contract, it's gonna be astronomical.

 

[DueDiligence]

More posts to troll the Leafs, keep the obsession going!

No reason to get your shorts in a knot. This is actually an interesting comparison when salary and age are taken into account.