Yeah I mean that's fair. I don't think anyone would trade Stutzle for a rental Matthews. If you had 100% assurance you could sign him, then you'd be silly not to do that 1 for 1 though IMO.
Proposal: Would you trade Stutzle for Matthews?
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Yeah I mean that's fair. I don't think anyone would trade Stutzle for a rental Matthews. If you had 100% assurance you could sign him, then you'd be silly not to do that 1 for 1 though IMO.
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I think most people would tend to agree.
It gets interesting as you get closer to the cap limit, in terms of cost per point, but in an absolute vacuum, Matthews has a much longer track record and a much higher peak than Stutzle at the moment.
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No. But I wouldn't trade Zibanejad for Brassard either so I'm not a good judge on what Ottawa may be inclined to do.
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You might because McDavid is so clearly the best player in the league right now and you take a chance that he'll extend. After all the guy extended long term in Edmonton. He doesn't seem like a guy who is out to bolt at the first opportunity like Matthews.
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no don't be silly there is no way that Stutzle is better at scoring goals or looking like a porn star
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The way I see it, is you have one very good player and one very very good player who makes 3mil more for one year and will likely make 5mil more if they sign.
I'd rather take the very good player (who is younger) with a longer term contract with a decent cap hit and the extra 3-5 million to get another player.
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I don't know about that... Love Andersson, it's definitely a good argument between the two. Tanev is elite defensively but contributes a fraction of the offence Chych does (offense is a big part of being a #1D in the NHL), and Hanifin has slowly rounded out to be a very solid defenceman but taking him over Chychrun is questionable at best. Calgary has one of the best d cores in the NHL but saying Chych would be #4 there is a bit extreme.
Chychrun has been a top 15 D man this year with respect to offence. He is no slouch defensively, even if he is outside of the Top 32 defensively, it wouldn't be by much. He's a Top 32 defenceman and my biased ass is taking him over any Flames D man.
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Arguably better player now. Who knows going forward, Stutzle is getting exponentially better every year
Those are the only reasons there is a poll. If the contract situation were equated, it would be very different.
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Mark Method can't read (obviously just a homer tweet that I respect but this is all time dumb)
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I would say that about the person who doesn't realize he's doing it intentionally, personally.
Where we disagree is on his work in his own zone. I'd argue and have always argued he's a bigger Tyson Barrie. Not quite as good a passer, but a better shot and size. If you can deploy him against bottom 6 players and offensive zone skewed you'll like him. If you ask him to defend top 6 players in his own zone you'll see what I'm talking about.
I value guys who can be deployed in all situations. I guess if you value production from the back end primarily he's better than everyone except Andersson on our team. I just actually view Andersson as our 3rd best defenseman.
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Yes it's Stützle's first year scoring at this pace, but to be fair he is 20 and still on his ELC. His progression has been pretty linear and in the right direction. It's not like he is doing this out of nowhere at 26.
I see him, like Hughes, progressing to be a perennial 100 point centre. He has good size & will only get stronger. His defensive game is starting to rounding out nicely.
While Matthews is already an elite player, Stützle has the potencial to be as good or better with a ridiculously high floor.
When you consider the above with age and contract status - it's very clear who is the more valuable asset.
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If it cost 13-14 million to sign Matthews, then I would not do the trade.
I would rather have Stützle at at five million less, period.
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Does Stutzle really have more goals, assists and points than Matthews? That's rather surprising. I don't really follow either team closely. Both are good players. Contracts aside, any team is happy having either player.
I'm not sure it happens, but it would be nice to see the Sens somehow push into the playoffs.
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Ok, sorry that it didn't come across that way to me? It's not like I actively follow what Marc Methot says on Twitter.
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He never spells it the same way twice, which is sort of funny if you live on the other side of the Leaf Nation fish bowl.
I don't think that is absurd but I think you're discounting the value of Matthews defensively. If you think Matthews is 1-2M better offensively (better goal scorer) - how much better defensively is he? Then factor in that within the hypothetical you're getting Matthews at 1 year 11.3M + 8 years at 13.5 versus just 8 years of Stutzle and well - i'd simply just take the best player here.
