William Nylanders Next contract

[cannucky]

People talk like they think the cap is going up 10m next year or something , the projection is 3-4m , maybe if all the stars line up just right it might go to 5 , people here want to give 3 to Mathews and 2+ to Nylander .

 

[AustonMarner]

Aho had Selke nominations. Nylander couldn't be further from the Selke and isn't a C. It's not comparable at all imo

Whatever you say bud... lmfao

Best comparable stats wise, age, style of play etc
Bet you Nylander could play center at this point
he's not Selke level but underrated 2 way forward

 

[BallardEra]

 

[Hockeysawks]

He is probably worth 9.5 easy. Everyone talking about huge cap raises made these guys take pause and ensure they get a fair contract. This guy just held out to recive one of the best team value contracts in the NHL. He won’t be making that mistake again and he is in zero rush to sign anything

 

[Mess]

He is probably worth 9.5 easy. Everyone talking about huge cap raises made these guys take pause and ensure they get a fair contract. This guy just held out to recive one of the best team value contracts in the NHL. He won’t be making that mistake again and he is in zero rush to sign anything

Matthew Tkachuk just signed his 8 year X $9.5 mil and lead his team to the SCF.

I don't think there is a universe where paying Nylander = or more than Tkachuk would align with market value. IMO

Heck Marner shouldn't even be getting MT cap equivalency.

 

[MAB1]

Matthew Tkachuk just signed his 8 year X $9.5 mil and lead his team to the SCF.

I don't think there is a universe where paying Nylander = or more that Tkachuk would align with market value. IMO

Heck Marner shouldn't even be getting MT cap equivalency.

Tkachuk signed for $9.5 million in FLORIDA

Mess...can you tell us what Nylander would have to get paid in Toronto for their take-home pay to be equivalent?

 

[Mess]

Tkachuk signed for $9.5 million in FLORIDA

Mess...can you tell us what Nylander would have to get paid in Toronto for their take-home pay to be equivalent?

That is totally irrelevant as the Salary Hard Cap is the same in all 32 markets. there is no tax adjustment component in each market to impact the Cap differently,

Leafs aren't forced to pay players more money that eat up more Cap space for less production simply to adjust for taxes in different States and different Provinces.

There are other ways like front loaded contracts and large signing bonuses that get the money up front to the player and through smart financial investing & interest earned and capital gains earnings to make up for Salary and income taxes adjustments.

The player comp is based on impact on the team and his performance not the bottom line on his take home pay after taxes.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That is totally irrelevant as the Salary Hard Cap is the same in all 32 markets. there is no tax adjustment component in each market to impact the Cap differently,

Leafs aren't forced to pay players more money that eat up more Cap space for less production simply to adjust for taxes in different States and different Provinces.

There are other ways like front loaded contracts and large signing bonuses that get the money up front to the player and through smart financial investing & interest earned and capital gains earnings to make up for Salary and income taxes adjustments.

The player comp is based on impact on the team and his performance not the bottom line on his take home pay after taxes.

We can and we will!

 

[Hockeysawks]

That is totally irrelevant as the Salary Hard Cap is the same in all 32 markets. there is no tax adjustment component in each market to impact the Cap differently,

Leafs aren't forced to pay players more money that eat up more Cap space for less production simply to adjust for taxes in different States and different Provinces.

There are other ways like front loaded contracts and large signing bonuses that get the money up front to the player and through smart financial investing & interest earned and capital gains earnings to make up for Salary and income taxes adjustments.

The player comp is based on impact on the team and his performance not the bottom line on his take home pay after taxes.

He was an RFA wasn’t he? I can’t remember but if the cap goes up 4 million after this year and it’s 2 years after Matt signed.
It was also his first season over the 1 PPG so he took the safe contract and got payed well.
40 goal 80+ point players are landing big money these days
Matt didn’t produce at all in the playoffs before the contract was signed Stone was also close to Nylander production LA just signed a guy that has never hit 30g or 65 points for 8+
Meir has never hit PPG and just came off a 66 point season and he is getting almost 9.
9.5 for a young 40 goal UFA is a bargain in 3 years if cap projections are true.

 

[Mess]

He was an RFA wasn’t he? I can’t remember but if the cap goes up 4 million after this year and it’s 2 years after Matt signed.
It was also his first season over the 1 PPG so he took the safe contract and got payed well.
40 goal 80+ point players are landing big money these days
Matt didn’t produce at all in the playoffs before the contract was signed Stone was also close to Nylander production LA just signed a guy that has never hit 30g or 65 points for 8+
Meir has never hit PPG and just came off a 66 point season and he is getting almost 9.
9.5 for a young 40 goal UFA is a bargain in 3 years if cap projections are true.

What I will give you is that of all the Leafs core 4 players the Nylander contract is and will be the closest to market comparables and age the best over time.

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

What I will give you is that of all the Leafs core 4 players the Nylander contract is and will be the closest to market comparables and age the best over time.

Sorry is that the $9M Nylander contract or the $10M one? His actual market comparables are apparently not close to his asking price. I agree at 9ish he could show excellent value but above that you are getting into a group of Marner or better players making underv$10M.

Comparing his scoring with guys who have better defence, or way more physicality is moving the goalposts. His value is pretty much his point total and that matters more when the guys above him aren't the Legion of Doom.

He belongs on a club that has more cap space and less money spent on forwards. Nylander will never be an all star never mind a Hart candidate but he is a high end talent. Going forward with him and AM or him and MM the club would still be strong but he has the lowest top end of the 3 if one has to go.

 

[MAB1]

That is totally irrelevant as the Salary Hard Cap is the same in all 32 markets. there is no tax adjustment component in each market to impact the Cap differently,

Leafs aren't forced to pay players more money that eat up more Cap space for less production simply to adjust for taxes in different States and different Provinces.

There are other ways like front loaded contracts and large signing bonuses that get the money up front to the player and through smart financial investing & interest earned and capital gains earnings to make up for Salary and income taxes adjustments.

The player comp is based on impact on the team and his performance not the bottom line on his take home pay after taxes.

Answer the question....are you capable of doing that? OR do you just exist to present the most elementary answers?

Expecting players to take the same AAV as comparative players that play in tax-haven states is so ridiculous. Every time I come back to this site you're always talking crazy.

 

[notDatsyuk]

11×8 for nylander seems fair

Only by comparison to Matthews, Marner, and Tavares.

 

[diceman934]

Nylander has 2 weeks or he is gone. Not going to get anything starting with a 9 so either accept an offer of 8.5 or so or see you later. Still a lot for a player who shows up when he feels like it and plays far to soft a game.

 

[WildWolfdog]

I think you need to have a line in the sand. I agree that ideally we don't trade 2+ of these guys, but we also can't just give them anything they want.

Let's say the contract demands are (Matthews/Marner wanting the shorter contracts due to age and that they're less likely to have just come off a career year):
- Matthews 4 years X 14M
- Nylander 8 years X 10M
- Marner 4 years X 13M

Can we win if we sign those? Can we win if we sign two of those and trade just one of them? Matthews and Marner after their 4 years would obviously be looking for big raises again.

So I think we just need to be willing to trade any of these guys, if the contract demands are too absurd. Maybe that triggers a heavy retool/rebuild, but the alternative isn't great either. You need to think about the overall team culture those types of contracts create too, and not just the cap headaches they create.

As a fan I agree with you in terms of drawing a line - but realistically speaking, MLSE also likely doesn't want to go into another rebuild.

If Marner also wants a short term deal, he can GTFO. With Matthews I'm coming around on the idea that a shorter term deal also benefits the Leafs because he seems to be having wrist issues.

Out of all three, somehow I think Willy will sign an 8 year and end up being a value contract again.

Either way, seeing teams like Boston and Colorado sign their guys to relatively team friendly deals - and then watching our team with the players we have ... it's extremely frustrating.

 

[alliuk12]

Willy will ask for a trade as sooon as he can get out of here his next contract will be with another team good luck willy because you will never get it here

 

[WF19]

No chance he signs for less than what Marner is currently at. Of the core 4 he makes the least, Jt will be gone in a few and Matthew's and Marner are both gonna want raises which will spread the gap even more. Looked like the most dangerous most tines during the playoffs and has increased his point total every year. If it's Toronto he isn't staying for less than 10m AAV. His current deal was a steal for him and now he has earned his payday.

 

[pentaguyy]

That is totally irrelevant as the Salary Hard Cap is the same in all 32 markets.

mOnEy dOeZnt maDtEr . nO tAx paYMe

 

[PromisedLand]

Answer the question....are you capable of doing that? OR do you just exist to present the most elementary answers?

Expecting players to take the same AAV as comparative players that play in tax-haven states is so ridiculous. Every time I come back to this site you're always talking crazy.

Here is the reality:

1) if he wants to go to a "tax haven" states to play he is free to go there. The maximum roster spot is 23; if other teams are going to fit nylander in the 23 man roster they can have Willy at a reasonable trade. May be all the players when they get drafted should announce from before that they would prefer to be drafted by teams located in tax havens

2) Signing bonuses take care of so called "tax" issues. Ex: Matthews signing bonuses are taxed based on where he resides in the off-season. So when Matthews gets his signing bonuses he gets taxed based on Arizona tax rates.

Below is the sweden income tax system where Nylander resides
Source1: Sweden - Individual - Taxes on personal income
Source2: Taxes in Sweden

since you are so hellbent on the taxing issue may be you want to go tell nylander not to make sweden his primary residence and that the country sucks for taxing income. On average Nylander will pay about 50% of signing bonuses in taxes as he resides in Sweden. why don't you tell Nylander that sweden is garbage for having such tax scheme and he should denounce sweden.


3) It is about TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS. You are either with the program or you are not. Period! Getting sick of playoff chokers demanding the moon while cannot carry a freakin' line on their own to make line mates productive without having another double digit AAV player on the line. Freakin JOKE!

Enough is enough already!

 

[Clyde Brewer]

In 2017 I was excited.

Seeing MNM come into the league and do so well had me seeing visions of Stanley in the near future.

That all changed once Nylander held out for max money. Maybe that's where the disgust starts. That and the fact he made $12M to score 7 goals in 54 games on his return.

Now looking for even an even bigger payday.

Just once after another poor showing I'd really like to hear Keefe say something like this when asked what Nylander brings to the team each night: "Nothing! He brings nothing to the table! Ok? Truth is I wanted to get rid of this lazy turd years ago, but my idiot GM promised not to trade him".

Who does that anyway?

Who gives the longest holdout in modern day history a verbal promise not to be traded, and then actually keeps the promise?

Thank god Treliving is under no such obligation. Regardless if Nylander signs an extension or not. There is nothing preventing Treliving from signing Nylander and then trading him sometime this year afterwards.

If that happened, the only way I could be more excited is if they actually won the cup.

Are you more upset at Nylander for holding out to get 6.9? Or, more upset that Dubas quickly bent over and gifted Marner 10.9?

I wonder how many points Marner puts up on another team that doesn't have similar ilk of players like matthews and nylander taking some offensive pressure off of him in regular season.

I bet Marner's playoff performance would improve if he were on another team. Most other teams have more tenacity on their top lines, this would help Marner from disappearing when games get physical.

 

[PromisedLand]

I bet Marner's playoff performance would improve if he were on another team. Most other teams have more tenacity on their top lines, this would help Marner from disappearing when games get physical.

You have to factor in the cap hit though. How many teams are going to be able to surround Marner with "grit" in their top 6 with Marner's cap hit.

That would mean Marner will have to carry linemates offensively and not have another double digit AAV on his line to produce. Both Matthews and Marner are paid like they can carry someone on their line and don't require each other to produce like McDavid or Draisaitl. But the evidence seems to suggest that they cannot do that. Only Nylander had shades of it when he was centered by Kerfoot in the habs series and even then it fizzled out in latter games.

Marner's giveaways in the playoffs have hurt the Leafs tremendously too.
Ex: Game 7 against Habs score is 0-0 in 2nd period and Marner trying to make fancy crap turnsover the puck at the offensive blue line and the puck is back of our net. Forget about the 5 on 3 he gave the habs (forget which game) when he put the puck over the glass with no pressure on him.

Ex2: Game 6 OT against Tampa (first time) he makes a hail mary pass that gets intercepted and then proceeds to play like trash not defending well on the left wall followed by Holl sucking and Point scores

Ex3: Florida series Gm 2, tries to make fancy play, matthews doubles down on stupid and boom the puck is back of our net.

I mean eventually you have to question Marner's ability to make simple plays and not screw the team in tight situations too

 

[Clyde Brewer]

You have to factor in the cap hit though. How many teams are going to be able to surround Marner with "grit" in their top 6 with Marner's cap hit.

That would mean Marner will have to carry linemates offensively and not have another double digit AAV on his line to produce. Both Matthews and Marner are paid like they can carry someone on their line and don't require each other to produce like McDavid or Draisaitl. But the evidence seems to suggest that they cannot do that. Only Nylander had shades of it when he was centered by Kerfoot in the habs series and even then it fizzled out in latter games.

Marner's giveaways in the playoffs have hurt the Leafs tremendously too.
Ex: Game 7 against Habs score is 0-0 in 2nd period and Marner trying to make fancy crap turnsover the puck at the offensive blue line and the puck is back of our net. Forget about the 5 on 3 he gave the habs (forget which game) when he put the puck over the glass with no pressure on him.

Ex2: Game 6 OT against Tampa (first time) he makes a hail mary pass that gets intercepted and then proceeds to play like trash not defending well on the left wall followed by Holl sucking and Point scores

Ex3: Florida series Gm 2, tries to make fancy play, matthews doubles down on stupid and boom the puck is back of our net.

I mean eventually you have to question Marner's ability to make simple plays and not screw the team in tight situations too

You certainly don't need to convince me of Marner's shortcomings in the playoffs, I think he's one of the most overpaid players in the league.

I was just saying a change of scenery might benefit him come playoff time as few teams are as soft as the Leafs' top lines.

 

[DKH]

Pastrnak got $11.25 gotta think his bud will be wanting 9M or more

 

[PeteBestondrums]

I'd replace a 40 goal Nylander with two 20 goal wingers who are hard to play against, nasty and will go into the corners in a second.
This team needs more scoring by depth, not proven playoff chokers. Mind you, Nylander has fared best out the C4, but he's still been underwhelming as a whole and not built for playoff hockey.

 

[Albz]

Matthew Tkachuk just signed his 8 year X $9.5 mil and lead his team to the SCF.

I don't think there is a universe where paying Nylander = or more than Tkachuk would align with market value. IMO

Heck Marner shouldn't even be getting MT cap equivalency.

Lol Matthew Tkachuk literally couldn't even lead his team to the playoffs, thankfully penguins lost and they made it by luck... marner lead his team to the playoffs and had a decent playoff..... Tkachuk also couldn't even do anything in playoffs in Calgary but a decent playoff this year and be is God lollll.