William Nylanders Next contract

[Trapper]

This is likely true, but Nylander’s negotiations and extension being the most difficult makes a lot of sense. In fact, I’ve been saying for a while I thought this would likely be the case. Remains to be seen still, but the pay gap between Willy and the other core 4 guys, the way he alone is consistently jerked around by coaching, the fact we traded away several of his closest teammates, his rising production. It’s a recipe for potential challenges

Nylander has 5 years to make up with what he is making vs. the raise the other two have been living on.
Can’t see him backing off now when he has UFA card in his back pocket. There won’t be a hold out this time. Just goodbye.

 

[PromisedLand]

That Meier contract only makes Willys ask for 9 (if that is the case) look more reasonable. And why would he agree on less looking at what Marner and Tavares make?

Context: Willy gets to play with Matthews, Marner, Tavares that bumps his production.

I am not faulting Willy for asking 9+ or whatever; as a player it is his right to put value on his game and ask for what he thinks he is worth;

My contention is that the management team doesn't have to bendover. GM's duty is the "Team" first everything else secondary. I don't want another dubas era disguised as treliving.

Why would we not get value for Marner? He's got an extra year, a top 3 Selke candidate and a great regular season player.

Trade Marner for a D and capspace.

Its June 29; they really gotta move Marner ASAP if they want to trade him. I guess they want to keep Matthews happy; and since Matthews cannot "officially" sign until July 1st; they are kinda screwed a bit.

Dubas did this to the franchise btw and shanny allowed it to happen

 

[PromisedLand]

The Maple Leafs were busy Wednesday, but the real action is still to come - NorthStar Bets

The William Nylander negotiations represent a critical component of the offseason. Absent significant progress toward an extension in the days ahead, Treliving and Co. must gauge what the trade market looks like.

While some might have viewed the eight-year extension Timo Meier received from New Jersey with an $8.8-million AAV as a potential roadmap for where Nylander could end up, that’s not believed to be how his camp sees the situation.

Nylander is coming off a season with 40 goals and 87 points — better than any year Meier has produced during his NHL career.

Not only does Nylander need to be mindful of a salary cap expected to finally resume making considerable jumps when his new contract starts in 2024, but he’s also cognizant of the pay gap that exists between him and teammates Auston Matthews, John Tavares and Mitch Marner.

Prediction: This won’t be an easy bridge to gap.

Regarding the last paragraph: Yup that is why the dumbass contracts signed by dubas for matthews, marner and tavares were STUPID

Tin foil hat theory: we're starting to hear that the Nylander negotiations aren't going so well because now that it's apparent that the team and Matthews are pretty well on the same page, the media needs some new drama to talk about.

Nylander signed on the last day the last time, apparently if stories are true in the last hour or he would have missed the deadline to submit the documents to NHL.

If history is any indication, it may repeat itself. Nylander might want to bet on himself this upcoming season to sign an even bigger deal as a UFA.

Depends on whether Willy wants to be a Leaf at a reasonable cap hit or he is going to chase the dollars as a UFA

 

[A1LeafNation]

Regarding the last paragraph: Yup that is why the dumbass contracts signed by dubas for matthews, marner and tavares were STUPID



Nylander signed on the last day the last time, apparently if stories are true in the last hour or he would have missed the deadline to submit the documents to NHL.

If history is any indication, it may repeat itself. Nylander might want to bet on himself this upcoming season to sign an even bigger deal as a UFA.

Depends on whether Willy wants to be a Leaf at a reasonable cap hit or he is going to chase the dollars as a UFA

We are not competing with 4 double digit cap hits.

Teams are barely winning with 1 on the roster.

Expect more of the same unless there is a shift in cap structure of the rotten core 4.

 

[PromisedLand]

We are not competing with 4 double digit cap hits.

Teams are barely winning with 1 on the roster.

Expect more of the same unless there is a shift in cap structure of the rotten core 4.

agreed. three players with double digit cap hit is way too many already to begin with. With 4 players it will be "enforced" Muskoka4 culture.

If Willy is not willing to sign for 8.5 then he has gotta be traded; or Tre gotta get of his behind and trade Marner before July 1st

 

[JT AM da real deal]

We are not competing with 4 double digit cap hits.

Teams are barely winning with 1 on the roster.

Expect more of the same unless there is a shift in cap structure of the rotten core 4.

All hockey guys know this but spreadsheet types and fans really don't get it .. for most it is entertainment .. TO's hockey religion crowd is aging and dying off .. team has moved to a corporate crowd and most of them go for da drinks between periods to network .. everyone is making $$$ on da Leafs too .. why not? da $$$ is pretty easy to make in all honesty .. can't see a corporate type like Tree doing anything here unless he gets lucky on a pick .. Shanny seems happy cashing his cheques and hanging out in Muskoka with Rose and bringing his US family up here in summer .. this draft must be a pain in da *ss for him

 

[notDatsyuk]

Should be less than 8 mill I think. Maybe one of these idiots can set an example and take a little cut so we can have some money to spend elsewhere. I just dont see how hes worth 8.5 and up like im seeing in other posts.

8.5 to 9 for long term is reasonable, according to league comparables.

The problem is comparing him to teammates. Matthews is better, Marner a bit better (at least in the regular season), and Tavares is worse, but they have all been making at least $4M a season more.

Hard to blame him for wanting a fair(er) share.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Context: Willy gets to play with Matthews, Marner, Tavares that bumps his production.

I am not faulting Willy for asking 9+ or whatever; as a player it is his right to put value on his game and ask for what he thinks he is worth;

My contention is that the management team doesn't have to bendover. GM's duty is the "Team" first everything else secondary. I don't want another dubas era disguised as treliving.



Its June 29; they really gotta move Marner ASAP if they want to trade him. I guess they want to keep Matthews happy; and since Matthews cannot "officially" sign until July 1st; they are kinda screwed a bit.

Dubas did this to the franchise btw and shanny allowed it to happen

Better context: Willy plays on the second line, mostly with Tavares, which is a drag on his production, rather than a bump.

 

[A1LeafNation]

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander signed on the last day the last time, apparently if stories are true in the last hour or he would have missed the deadline to submit the documents to NHL.

If history is any indication, it may repeat itself. Nylander might want to bet on himself this upcoming season to sign an even bigger deal as a UFA.

Depends on whether Willy wants to be a Leaf at a reasonable cap hit or he is going to chase the dollars as a UFA

Nylander is under no pressure this time, and won't lose a year if he's not signed.

Next year at this time he'd be chosing his destination.

Unlike Meier, his expiry status isn't RFA.

 

[howlman]

Thanks Marner

 

[Arzak]

Not even a dollar over 8.9. He better start with an 8 or he can go. He isn’t in the 9 million dollar company play level

I’d be that petty and let him walk or deal him over 100k

I think that we need to set an example but at the same time, we are more competitive with 9 mill Nylander vs 12 mill Marner

If we consider impact/cap hit it's IMO close and I prefer lower hit goal scorer.

 

[cyris]

I think that we need to set an example but at the same time, we are more competitive with 9 mill Nylander vs 12 mill Marner

If we consider impact/cap hit it's IMO close and I prefer lower hit goal scorer.

I’d rather Marner at 12 than Willy at 9+.
Marner is a much better all around player. Mitch is a better point producer, he is better at improving the players around him and it’s not even close as to who is the better defensive player.
Nylander is the better goal scorer. That’s it.

And before someone try’s to bring up playoffs Marner has been better there too. More career playoff points while being the vastly better defensive player.

 

[Thornbury]

Is the big cap rise projected next summer? My mistake I thought mitch and JT expires the same year.

Mitch and JT both expire in two years, when the cap goes up significantly. With JT's $11 million off the books, our cap pressures will largely evaporate. Have to get through the next two years. Losing Brodie's $5 million after next season will help.

 

[Aashir]

I think that we need to set an example but at the same time, we are more competitive with 9 mill Nylander vs 12 mill Marner

If we consider impact/cap hit it's IMO close and I prefer lower hit goal scorer.

I’d keep the standard for them all, Marner honestly shouldn’t even get a raise, we paid him like he was a 100 point selke level winger on the previous/current contract, he was not that

He should be getting the equivalent of pastrnak, maybe less

 

[PromisedLand]

Nylander is under no pressure this time, and won't lose a year if he's not signed.

Next year at this time he'd be chosing his destination.

Unlike Meier, his expiry status isn't RFA.

Yup precisely the point. Hence, if a reasonable deal cannot be reached then Treliving has to choose between Nylander and Marner.

The time to trade Marner is before July 1st; after July 1st if Nylander isn't signing a reasonable extension (which is his right btw); Leafs have gotta do what is right for the franchise and trade Nylander.

No hard feelings from me if Willy wants a bigger pay day. IMO he has earned it; and if another team is willing to pay him that kinda contract he should go for it. The issue is that we overpaid both matthews and marner and tavares; and since we cannot go back in time you deal with the situation as it presents itself now and do what is right for the club.

Having 4 players making double digit AAV is a big no-no as far as I am concerned. If Treliving does that he is an even a bigger idiot than dubas

 

[diceman934]

Willy has a decision to make and quick...take 8.5 for 8 years or leave the Leafs. No way we keep him past end of August unsigned.
9 plus is out of the question.

 

[ULF_55]

Yup precisely the point. Hence, if a reasonable deal cannot be reached then Treliving has to choose between Nylander and Marner.

The time to trade Marner is before July 1st; after July 1st if Nylander isn't signing a reasonable extension (which is his right btw); Leafs have gotta do what is right for the franchise and trade Nylander.

No hard feelings from me if Willy wants a bigger pay day. IMO he has earned it; and if another team is willing to pay him that kinda contract he should go for it. The issue is that we overpaid both matthews and marner and tavares; and since we cannot go back in time you deal with the situation as it presents itself now and do what is right for the club.

Having 4 players making double digit AAV is a big no-no as far as I am concerned. If Treliving does that he is an even a bigger idiot than dubas

Wonder if he'd look at a 3 year deal, NMC year 1 and 2?

 

[PromisedLand]

Thanks Marner

I think that we need to set an example but at the same time, we are more competitive with 9 mill Nylander vs 12 mill Marner

If we consider impact/cap hit it's IMO close and I prefer lower hit goal scorer.

I still wonder if Dubas didn't bendover like a moron and CBJ did an offersheet to Marner at 10 and we walked away we would have had 10M in cap space and 4 first rounders.


I think Marner's cap hit can be put to better use by trading him and singing Nylander (not double digit aav though).

something like basically add two wingers who can together produce (in total) what Marner does and spread out that offense and round out the roster. Then when Tavares is off teh cap invest that in #1D.

July 1st is coming soon though so Leafs gotta move fast. They can't let the fear of Matthews walking if Marner is traded keep them from doing what is right by the franchise.

if not then they gotta trade Nylander if they want to bendover to both matthews-marner. It still lesser impact than letting willy walk as ufa

 

[PromisedLand]

Wonder if he'd look at a 3 year deal, NMC year 1 and 2?

don't think he does that unless it is all 3 yrs of full nmc. his production benefits by playing with certain players he won't let his last year be leveraged against him. If I was Willy I wouldn't sign that deal given what was afforded to Matthews/Marner.

IMO its hard to fault Willy, he is well within his right to ask for more, given how he has been 'yo-yo'd by keefe, stuck to tavares' wing; was taken out of #1pp unit in the playoffs, has been called out in the media by keefe, etc... while matthews/marner keep getting royal treatment and money.

I wonder how many points Marner puts up on another team that doesn't have similar ilk of players like matthews and nylander taking some offensive pressure off of him in regular season.

 

[Farsailor]

How did he "take less"? Now that is some confidence..

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Willie should be around 9avv and Marner's next contract should be 11aav

 

[thewave]

Willie should be around 9avv and Marner's next contract should be 11aav

Ya right. Marner will demand 15m like Matthews and say I am just as good or better while wearing a Skip the dishes shirt.

 

[Moridin]

8.8 for 8.

 

[thewave]

8.8 for 8.

I think that's a fair contract. If he looks at Marner though, woof