William Nylanders Next contract

[Ianturnedbull]

Lebrun on Nylander this morning on TSN radio:

"If Nylander's contract negotiation goes sideways the leafs will likely move him".

Of course if Matthews, Marner, etc.'s contract negotiation goes bad they'll move them too.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I'm sure Bundy is doing his job and making calls around the league, if someone offers up an insane package you'd think you'd have to pull the trigger. Do you pull the trigger if sacrificing Nylander gets you back a top pairing Dman??

Interesting weekend coming up for sure.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I'm sure Bundy is doing his job and making calls around the league, if someone offers up an insane package you'd think you'd have to pull the trigger. Do you pull the trigger if sacrificing Nylander gets you back a top pairing Dman??

Interesting weekend coming up for sure.

Nylander is a good player, but i think if you have to move a core 4 player he would get you the most value due to his skill/current contract.

Toronto's best playoff performance with this core is 5 wins in the playoffs. You have to shake things up a bit. You can't hate on our core 4 and then in the same turn never want to make changes.

 

[Nineteen67]

Ya they basically will take a step back for a season or two until the cap rises and JT comes off the book if they decide to keep the band together with all these big raises. The depth will be really bad if so

If theyre keeping the core they need to make sure the contracts extend well into the “opportunity to win window” , if it even comes in three yrs, otherwise they're screwed.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Yah, the escrow debt is expected to be paid off really early this season and the cap should rise by 5% next year.

Okay true, thanks. Gotta think that 5% rise comes with much bigger contracts for anyone signing that year

 

[CapspaceKiller]

He'll end up higher than Meier and Lower than Aho. Probably 9m on the dot...that being said TRADE

 

[Trapper]

I'm sure Bundy is doing his job and making calls around the league, if someone offers up an insane package you'd think you'd have to pull the trigger. Do you pull the trigger if sacrificing Nylander gets you back a top pairing Dman??

Interesting weekend coming up for sure.

For a legit top pair D (if that’s what we are talking about) I move either forward.

 

[Farsailor]

That Meier contract only makes Willys ask for 9 (if that is the case) look more reasonable. And why would he agree on less looking at what Marner and Tavares make?

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I wish my wife loved me as much as Leaf management loves it's precious core

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander is a good player, but i think if you have to move a core 4 player he would get you the most value due to his skill/current contract.

Toronto's best playoff performance with this core is 5 wins in the playoffs. You have to shake things up a bit. You can't hate on our core 4 and then in the same turn never want to make changes.

Sad but true - can't trade JT, shouldn't trade Matty, won't get value for Mitch.

 

[sunstersun]

Why would we not get value for Marner? He's got an extra year, a top 3 Selke candidate and a great regular season player.

Trade Marner for a D and capspace.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Nylander's stats are significantly better than Meier and PLD. If they're 8.5 and 8.8, then Nylander is at least 10. Nylanders contract starts after the "alleged" cap jump in 2024.

And what about (lol) "zone entries"? Remember when Nylander was more valuable than players with significantly better stats because of "zone entries"? What happened to arguments like that?

Anyways, my prediction is Nylander won't budge for a penny less than 10 mil. There will assuredly be teams willing to give it to him. My guess is a Tkachuk style "trade and sign" at some point this season.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander's stats are significantly better than Meier and PLD. If they're 8.5 and 8.8, then Nylander is at least 10. Nylanders contract starts after the "alleged" cap jump in 2024.

And what about (lol) "zone entries"? Remember when Nylander was more valuable than players with significantly better stats because of "zone entries"? What happened to arguments like that?

Anyways, my prediction is Nylander won't budge for a penny less than 10 mil. There will assuredly be teams willing to give it to him. My guess is a Tkachuk style "trade and sign" at some point this season.

While I agree he may be worth 10, or close to it, I hope he settles for about 9. Otherwise, with the overpayments to Marner and Tavares, we will likely have to trade one of the three. Can't trade JT, and Marner seems to be more of a management favourite, along with the fact that we'd likely get a better return for Willy, so we'd be most likely to lose him.

Why would we not get value for Marner? He's got an extra year, a top 3 Selke candidate and a great regular season player.

Trade Marner for a D and capspace.

Overpaid and disappears as the playoffs get harder, so we're less likely to get what a lot of people seem to expect, but I'd be happy to trade him for D and cap space.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Nick Kypreos: The Maple Leafs can create a bidding war for captain John Tavares. Here’s how and why they should do it

A willingness by Leafs to retain salary on a Tavares trade could easily put a dozen teams in a bidding war — and completely reconfigure their cap.

www.thestar.com

As far a Nylander extension goes, the Leafs are taking the same approach the Los Angeles Kings did with Pierre-Luc Dubois, essentially “we can make this work but it has to be at this specific number.” Dubois took the $8.5 million a season on an extension that set off the sign-and-trade with Winnipeg …

 

[notdoneyet]

While I agree he may be worth 10, or close to it, I hope he settles for about 9. Otherwise, with the overpayments to Marner and Tavares, we will likely have to trade one of the three. Can't trade JT, and Marner seems to be more of a management favourite, along with the fact that we'd likely get a better return for Willy, so we'd be most likely to lose him.


Overpaid and disappears as the playoffs get harder, so we're less likely to get what a lot of people seem to expect, but I'd be happy to trade him for D and cap space.

Lets compare him to your boy willy
Marner is a 100 point player-kills penalties-makes everyone he plays with better-and is a selke candidate. No one in the league is a 100 point player and a selke favourite

Willy is a ppg player who is terrible defensively
And disappears for far too many games

Playoffs this year 11 games

MM 3-11 14 points +7 and 18 hits
WN 4-6 10 points -4 and 3 hits

Oh did I mention the fact willy held out for months signed a contract where he didn’t lose a penny and came back in the worst shape of his life

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Lets compare him to your boy willy
Marner is a 100 point player-kills penalties-makes everyone he plays with better-and is a selke candidate. No one in the league is a 100 point player and a selke favourite

Willy is a ppg player who is terrible defensively
And disappears for far too many games

Playoffs this year 11 games

MM 3-11 14 points +7 and 18 hits
WN 4-6 10 points -4 and 3 hits

Oh did I mention the fact willy held out for months signed a contract where he didn’t lose a penny and came back in the worst shape of his life

It's debatable who has a higher trade value at the moment.

On the one hand, Marner is the superior player. In real money, Marner makes just 8 mil per year the next two years. Lots of teams care far more about real money than they do about cap hits.

On the other hand, Marner is just a two year rental, and then who knows what he'll do. He can't do a trade and sign like Nylander can. I think a team would give up more for (up to) 9 years of Nylander than just two years of Marner.[/I]

 

[hockeywiz542]

The Maple Leafs were busy Wednesday, but the real action is still to come - NorthStar Bets

The William Nylander negotiations represent a critical component of the offseason. Absent significant progress toward an extension in the days ahead, Treliving and Co. must gauge what the trade market looks like.

While some might have viewed the eight-year extension Timo Meier received from New Jersey with an $8.8-million AAV as a potential roadmap for where Nylander could end up, that’s not believed to be how his camp sees the situation.

Nylander is coming off a season with 40 goals and 87 points — better than any year Meier has produced during his NHL career.

Not only does Nylander need to be mindful of a salary cap expected to finally resume making considerable jumps when his new contract starts in 2024, but he’s also cognizant of the pay gap that exists between him and teammates Auston Matthews, John Tavares and Mitch Marner.

Prediction: This won’t be an easy bridge to gap.

 

[ToDavid]

Tin foil hat theory: we're starting to hear that the Nylander negotiations aren't going so well because now that it's apparent that the team and Matthews are pretty well on the same page, the media needs some new drama to talk about.

 

[Sypher04]

Tin foil hat theory: we're starting to hear that the Nylander negotiations aren't going so well because now that it's apparent that the team and Matthews are pretty well on the same page, the media needs some new drama to talk about.

This is likely true, but Nylander’s negotiations and extension being the most difficult makes a lot of sense. In fact, I’ve been saying for a while I thought this would likely be the case. Remains to be seen still, but the pay gap between Willy and the other core 4 guys, the way he alone is consistently jerked around by coaching, the fact we traded away several of his closest teammates, his rising production. It’s a recipe for potential challenges

 

[Sniper99]

If it's not 8.5m x 8 or less, trade him.

Core 4 stigma will continue unless they come down in cap hits.

Should be less than 8 mill I think. Maybe one of these idiots can set an example and take a little cut so we can have some money to spend elsewhere. I just dont see how hes worth 8.5 and up like im seeing in other posts.

 

[Sypher04]

Should be less than 8 mill I think. Maybe one of these idiots can set an example and take a little cut so we can have some money to spend elsewhere. I just dont see how hes worth 8.5 and up like im seeing in other posts.

There’s no real argument for why Nylander should accept less than Meier got unless he’s simply doing us a solid

 

[Throw More Waffles]

There’s no real argument for why Nylander should accept less than Meier got unless he’s simply doing us a solid

And Meier’s contract is considered a “discount”. He even made a statement that he took less to help the team win.

And Nylander stats are quite a bit better than Meier’s. Also, we CANT forget Nyalnders superior zone entries

 

[Menzinger]

Should be less than 8 mill I think. Maybe one of these idiots can set an example and take a little cut so we can have some money to spend elsewhere. I just dont see how hes worth 8.5 and up like im seeing in other posts.

Well, because most of his direct comparables took numbers in that range, and Nylander has better raw stats than a number of them.

you've got Fiala who took just under 8,but Nylanders stats are much better. Flip Foresberg signed for 8.5, though with a lower league cap (remember contracts are more driven by cap%)

 

[Martin Skoula]

Lets compare him to your boy willy
Marner is a 100 point player-kills penalties-makes everyone he plays with better-and is a selke candidate. No one in the league is a 100 point player and a selke favourite

Willy is a ppg player who is terrible defensively
And disappears for far too many games

Playoffs this year 11 games

MM 3-11 14 points +7 and 18 hits
WN 4-6 10 points -4 and 3 hits

Oh did I mention the fact willy held out for months signed a contract where he didn’t lose a penny and came back in the worst shape of his life

That’s cool and all but you can’t win with lil Mitch so might as well rip the bandaid off before his NMC.

 

[LeafGrief]

If he's looking in the 9's, I think it's time to cut bait. I love Willy, but this team just isn't it. Not the right group of players, not the right salary structure. Move him for a defenseman who replaces Muzzin, trying to recoup some cap space and some draft picks while we're at it.

Push is going to come to shove with our cap structure, and I would rather be doing the shoving. Retool around Matthews. Move Marner too and we can be a middle of the pack team for a few years while we wait out JT's deal and take time to restock our system from the disaster that was the last five years of rentals. We have next to no valuable players left besides MM, AM, WN, Rielly, and two kids. We had three picks this year and our 2024 1st is the only top60 pick we have in the next two years. Our prospect pool is already on life support and there's no help coming.

Our goal is to be a sustainably winning franchise so that we can be relevant throughout Matthews' entire career. Handing out a second generation of big money deals will just consign us to more of the same, a team of stars, shoestrings, and hope. Nylander and Marner trades can each bring back a replacement core piece, cap space, and futures. The replacements and cap space will keep us as a playoff calibre team (one that has to work to make the playoffs might actually make the season interesting again and inspire some work ethic in the Leafs org) and the futures will let us build in the Washington model. The Caps signed Oshie, drafted Carlson, Wilson, and Kuznetsov.

I mean, I'll be happy to keep watching Nylander as long as he's a Leaf, but I don't believe in this team any more and I think it's time to pivot back towards a long-term sustainable project. We went all in, we lost, time to retool and think about the future again.