William Nylanders Next contract

[centipede2233]

This was footage of dubas after signing with the penguins as POHO….

 

[daveleaf]

I truly believe the team needs to stress building a team and not a group of individuals. I think you need to get Nylander at 8.5x8, Mathews at 13x8 and Marriner 10x8. Maybe not the top with there peers but leave 2-3million on the table every year to get some other players.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Well, you can't trade Tavares with his NMC. Matthews is too valuable as a #1C and is a better player overall when healthy.
I'd be up for trading Marner as well but realize he offers up more than Nylander who, let's face it, is pretty one- dimensional and takes nights off.
Nylander is the logical choice to go.

Kind of the point was that neither Marner nor Matthews has provided more in the playoffs, without even considering relative costs.

We all know about the immovable (on and off the ice) Tavares.

I think Nylander is the logical choice to go but only because he'll likely bring the highest return.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Is anyone surprised Nylander's contract negotiations aren't going well?

Like father, like son.

The blonde hair and blue eyes aren't the only thing Superstar William Nylander inherited from dear old dad. Nylander also has the same overinflated sense of worth. His head is so swollen he needs to rub Preparation H on it just to fit in his helmet.

The problems with Nylander are multiple.

He doesn't stand in front of the net, do any of the dirty work, or have his teammates backs. That's why fans question his work ethic. Nylander ducking hits, cowering from opponents, and refusing to go into the corners is frustrating to watch.

On a great team there are no superstars.

There are only great players. Who show they are great players by accomplishing great things. Superstar William Nylander hasn't done that yet.

He just expects to get paid like he has is all.

 

[Arzak]

Nylander is making $6.9 M a year and yet is grouped with $11M CORE.

Now we need to make him look like a bad guy because he wants a fraction of what we paid to RFA Marner as UFA?

He was/is on the best value contract out of our players and we would cheap out on him even more if he didn't sit out half the season. Think about that for a moment.

In the ideal world, Nylander is the last one you ask for a discount.

9.5 Nylander > 13 Mitch

 

[Frostitute]

Nylander is making $6.9 M a year and yet is grouped with $11M CORE.

Now we need to make him look like a bad guy because he wants a fraction of what we paid to RFA Marner as UFA?

He was/is on the best value contract out of our players and we would cheap out on him even more if he didn't sit out half the season. Think about that for a moment.

In the ideal world, Nylander is the last one you ask for a discount.

9.5 Nylander > 13 Mitch

Thank-You! How do people not recognize this more often?

 

[Arzak]

Is anyone surprised Nylander's contract negotiations aren't going well?

Like father, like son.

The blonde hair and blue eyes aren't the only thing Superstar William Nylander inherited from dear old dad. Nylander also has the same overinflated sense of worth. His head is so swollen he needs to rub Preparation H on it just to fit in his helmet.

The problems with Nylander are multiple.

He doesn't stand in front of the net, do any of the dirty work, or have his teammates backs. That's why fans question his work ethic. Nylander ducking hits, cowering from opponents, and refusing to go into the corners is frustrating to watch.

On a great team there are no superstars.

There are only great players. Who show they are great players by accomplishing great things. Superstar William Nylander hasn't done that yet.

He just expects to get paid like he has is all.

No, not surprised at all.
We were playing hardball the last time around.

And guess what? Nylander was right - he was worth more. And he proved it by overperforming his last contract, unlike others.

With that in mind, who would need a 50+% raise to be 11M core?


You wanna blame Nylander for the lack of physicality? He is a WWE monster next to Marner.


The man is on 2 PP and is expected to be the only one with a reasonable contract. Again!

Oh, and he is like his father unless he takes half of what Mitch does! You can't script it.


There is no limit to the greed of Marner and his fans. Just pay him 20M, he is that good.

Trade the rest if you need to but stop with this mental gymnastic. Nylander lost a couple of million $ every year for the privilege of being called the core 4 on 2 PP.

Unlike others, Nylander doesn't owe Leafs anything.

 

[A1LeafNation]

No, not surprised at all.
We were playing hardball the last time around.

And guess what? Nylander was right - he was worth more. And he proved it by overperforming his last contract, unlike others.

With that in mind, who would need a 50+% raise to be 11M core?


You wanna blame Nylander for the lack of physicality? He is a WWE monster next to Marner.


The man is on 2 PP and is expected to be the only one with a reasonable contract. Again!

Oh, and he is like his father unless he takes half of what Mitch does! You can't script it.


There is no limit to the greed of Marner and his fans. Just pay him 20M, he is that good.

Trade the rest if you need to but stop with this mental gymnastic. Nylander lost a couple of million $ every year for the privilege of being called the core 4 on 2 PP.

Unlike others, Nylander doesn't owe Leafs anything.

Nylander underperformed the first 3 years of his deal and overperformed the last 2 years. It wasn't a bargain contract at all.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

No, not surprised at all.
We were playing hardball the last time around.

And guess what? Nylander was right - he was worth more. And he proved it by overperforming his last contract, unlike others.

With that in mind, who would need a 50+% raise to be 11M core?


You wanna blame Nylander for the lack of physicality? He is a WWE monster next to Marner.


The man is on 2 PP and is expected to be the only one with a reasonable contract. Again!

Oh, and he is like his father unless he takes half of what Mitch does! You can't script it.


There is no limit to the greed of Marner and his fans. Just pay him 20M, he is that good.

Trade the rest if you need to but stop with this mental gymnastic. Nylander lost a couple of million $ every year for the privilege of being called the core 4 on 2 PP.

Unlike others, Nylander doesn't owe Leafs anything.

I'm not a fan of Marner either.

His negotiation tactics were borderline blasphemy. As far as I'm concerned they are ALL greedy. But I fail to see why you felt the need to bring Marner into the conversation.

I made no mention of him in my stand alone comment on Nylander.

 

[Arzak]

I'm not a fan of Marner either.

His negotiation tactics were borderline blasphemy. As far as I'm concerned they are ALL greedy. But I fail to see why you felt the need to bring Marner into the conversation.

I made no mention of him in my stand alone comment on Nylander.

Unfortunately, contract discussions are never stand-alone issues since they all compete for the pice of the cap pie.

What I fail to see is how Nylander's father figures into it. But let's put that aside, I mention Marner because you can't call $6.9M 40g greedy and pretend it's the same as Marner taking almost twice the hit.

They are all greedy?

He is by far the best contract value making significantly less than his core 4 counterparts.

Don't you think when compared to Marner's, JT's, and Matthews's contracts he should be called Teresa Nylander instead of a greedy player?


If you call Nylander greedy what's the nomenclature for the rest?

 

[ACC1224]

Does Treliving have any history of caving to players like Dubas did?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Does Treliving have any history of caving to players like Dubas did?

We gonna find out.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Does Treliving have any history of caving to players like Dubas did?

Nope, quite opposite and currently is driving a hard bargain. Comply or trade.

 

[Marshy]

Nope, quite opposite and currently is driving a hard bargain. Comply or trade.

It's almost like budgeting smartly has a positive correlation to overall team success.

 

[MJ65]

They are probably going to trade him - too bad but then you have to be careful with your Cap

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Unfortunately, contract discussions are never stand-alone issues since they all compete for the pice of the cap pie.

What I fail to see is how Nylander's father figures into it. But let's put that aside, I mention Marner because you can't call $6.9M 40g greedy and pretend it's the same as Marner taking almost twice the hit.

They are all greedy?

He is by far the best contract value making significantly less than his core 4 counterparts.

Don't you think when compared to Marner's, JT's, and Matthews's contracts he should be called Teresa Nylander instead of a greedy player?


If you call Nylander greedy what's the nomenclature for the rest?

Nylander's father enters into it because he was a greedy holdout as a player too.

Nylander finally earned his pay the last two years of his deal. Prior to that he wasn't a bargain. The first year back after holding out he earned $12M to score 7 goals and 27 points.

In the end it was a wash.

But definitely not a bargain the entire duration of the contract. Matthews and Marner might be overpaid. But at least they produced over a ppg the entire duration of their contract.

Nylander's holding out for as much money as possible also set the stage for Matthews and Marner to do the same.

It was the longest holdout in modern day history. Against a rookie GM just new on the job. Gross took advantage of Dubas same way Gilmour did the babysitter.

It could be argued that Nylander's hold out had a bigger impact on Matthews and Marner's contracts than the Tavares signing.

 

[Mess]

Nope, quite opposite and currently is driving a hard bargain. Comply or trade.

I hope he continues to hold the line and put his foot in the ground and Leaf players get paid fairly but according to league wide comparisons and not this internal salary cap nonsense the previous GM created here.

While many would like to keep him, if Willy wants tooooo much $$ then trading him might be best for everyone as opposed to overpaying. IMO

 

[Marshy]

Can't see Willy accepting 9 or less. Can't see the team having enough depth with 4 players north of 10M. A Nyander trade is the best for both parties here. Sooner rather than later IMO.

 

[Notsince67]

Nylander is making $6.9 M a year and yet is grouped with $11M CORE.

Now we need to make him look like a bad guy because he wants a fraction of what we paid to RFA Marner as UFA?

He was/is on the best value contract out of our players and we would cheap out on him even more if he didn't sit out half the season. Think about that for a moment.

In the ideal world, Nylander is the last one you ask for a discount.

9.5 Nylander > 13 Mitch

What is the coefficient of each player based on beyond your personal like?

 

[Arzak]

What is the coefficient of each player based on beyond your personal like?

The coefficient is the cap hit.

Mitch Marner is the better player, but not at the margin their cap hit difference suggests.

I also believe that goals > secondary assists.

Have you re-watched our playoffs?

Can you honestly say Mitch looked anywhere close to comfortable on the ice?

 

[Notsince67]

The coefficient is the cap hit.

Mitch Marner is the better player, but not at the margin their cap hit difference suggests.

I also believe that goals > secondary assists.

Have you re-watched our playoffs?

Can you honestly say Mitch looked anywhere close to comfortable on the ice?

I did but I don't really understand your point. Marner was the best player in the Tampa series. He is the only Leaf with a game winning goal in the Forida series.
The idea that Nylander made any difference is pretty laughable. He had the same game winning goals and points this year as Marner and Matthews. (all 1 goal 1 asssist).
Those 2 points amount to 2/3s of all the game winning playoff points Willy has scored in the last 4 playoffs. Marner and Matthews has 5 (as does Drai, McDavid, Barkov to name a few)
This primary vs secondary nonsense is a joke. Marner has 327 more career primary points than Willy.
Lets not even begin with defense.

 

[bbgobie]

I'd say there's a little of both with Willie.
Is his contract better value than Mitch? Yup.
At some of the suggested proposed contracts, is he the player I'd rather have? Yup?

Is he (And yes, Mitch as well) frustrating to watch at times? Yup.

 

[ACC1224]

I do find it funny that fans live and die with whatever the Insider feels they want to feed them that day.
They make every thing seem like there is all this acrimony going on when that is rarely the case.

 

[kb]

Anyone actually look at the contracts Treliving signed?

Nothing he did in Calgary screams "driving a hard bargain"

 

[Arzak]

Anyone actually look at the contracts Treliving signed?

Nothing he did in Calgary screams "driving a hard bargain"

From what I've seen, players are running away from that place.

Player: "I want out"
GM: " Take a discount !"

Feel free to suggest what would entice anyone to take a discount there, angle Treviling could push to "drive a bargain" so to speak.