Player Discussion William Nylander

[Confucius]

Nothing to worry about then

Well if his team only scores unassisted goals they won’t be winning too many games

 

[Racer88]

Well if his team only scores unassisted goals they won’t be winning too many games

We need assists as well as goals but they are only worth 1/2 as much.
The math doesn’t lie

 

[Gabriel426]

I always heard of 20 goals player but never heard of 20 assists player.

Goals are more important than assists.

Goal can be unassisted
But
Assist cannot be ungoal, lol

 

[notDatsyuk]

Last year Willy had 7 GWGs.

Mitch had 2.

I couldn't find the stat for GWAs.

 

[ZEBROA]

If you miss the goal by 1meter ( 39.3700787402 inches) you will probably not get a goal , but you could get 1st assist.

 

[Confucius]

If you miss the goal by 1meter ( 39.3700787402 inches) you will probably not get a goal , but you could get 1st assist.

?
You can score on a penalty shot and there is no opportunity for assists, talk about unfair scoring… lol!

 

[ZEBROA]

?
You can score on a penalty shot and there is no opportunity for assists, talk about unfair scoring… lol!

Where do i find the missed goal=assist stat vs penaly shots?

 

[Dekes For Days]

You dont pay for assists in a forward. You pay for goals.

You pay for both. By your logic, Brock Boeser would have gotten a bigger contract than McDavid.

 

[ACC1224]

You pay for both. By your logic, Brock Boeser would have gotten a bigger contract than McDavid.

We’ll just consider them points as always until the league says different.

 

[ZEBROA]

You pay for both. By your logic, Brock Boeser would have gotten a bigger contract than McDavid.

Offcourse you pay for both , but if one player scores 20g 80 ass and the other 60g 40ass and otherwise is fairly equal. The goalscorer will get more money, if it is likely they continue on that same path.

 

[ACC1224]

Offcourse you pay for both , but if one player scores 20g 80 ass and the other 60g 40ass and otherwise is fairly equal. The goalscorer will get more money, if it is likely they continue on that same path.

All that plus all around play, value to the team.
That’s why Matthews earns the most, Marner 2nd and Nylander 3rd.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We’ll just consider them points as always until the league says different.

Consider them points as opposed to what, tootsie rolls?

 

[ToneDog]

You dont pay for assists in a forward. You pay for goals.

Not for the dummies at the cash box. Marner goals are priceless.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not for the dummies at the cash box. Marner goals are priceless.

Well yeah, rarity increases value amirite?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Offcourse you pay for both , but if one player scores 20g 80 ass and the other 60g 40ass and otherwise is fairly equal. The goalscorer will get more money, if it is likely they continue on that same path.

Historically, secondary assists are the only point type with an argument for a difference in value.

 

[ACC1224]

Historically, secondary assists are the only point type with an argument for a difference in value.

and of course at times the second assist is the main driver of the goal.
Matthews had one the other night.

 

[Dekes For Days]

and of course at times the second assist is the main driver of the goal.
Matthews had one the other night.

Yes, sometimes it is. Sometimes, the most important play doesn't even get a point at all. Points are imperfect in general.
But at least the secondary assist stuff comes from somewhere. Diminishing primary assists isn't supported by anything.

 

[BraveCanadian]

You dont pay for assists in a forward. You pay for goals.

Obviously false

 

[arso40]

Obviously false

right! They pay for production which is points there is however a premium on goals

 

[Anthrax442]

right! They pay for production which is points there is however a premium on goals

Do you pay the same for a 30 goal 20 Assist guy or 10 goal 40 assist guy?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Do you pay the same for a 30 goal 20 Assist guy or 10 goal 40 assist guy?

All else equal, you'd pay a 30-10-10 guy pretty similar to a 10-30-10 guy.

 

[ACC1224]

Do you pay the same for a 30 goal 20 Assist guy or 10 goal 40 assist guy?

Depends on the player and what other skills he brings to the table.

 

[thewave]

All else equal, you'd pay a 30-10-10 guy pretty similar to a 10-30-10 guy.

That is pretty crazy sounding. 30 goal scorers fetch a premium because, now get this. They make the 10 30 guy possible and the skill to score is more rare than the skill to get an assist. This is true and self evident if only because every goal generates up to 2 assists.

 

[Racer88]

All else equal, you'd pay a 30-10-10 guy pretty similar to a 10-30-10 guy.

Goal scores alway are worth more than the assist guy because scoring is……..Hard. Making a pass is much easier

 

[Dekes For Days]

That is pretty crazy sounding. 30 goal scorers fetch a premium because, now get this. They make the 10 30 guy possible and the skill to score is more rare than the skill to get an assist. This is true and self evident if only because every goal generates up to 2 assists.

Goal scores alway are worth more than the assist guy because scoring is……..Hard. Making a pass is much easier

It's not crazy at all. You just want to be dismissive of playmaking. Directly setting up goals is just as hard and rare and valuable as tapping a puck in the net. The 10-30-10 guy is making the 30-10-10 guy possible just as much as the opposite. A goal does not generate two primary assists. In fact, 30 primary assist seasons are much rarer than 30 goal seasons through the cap era.