William Nylander has reached superstar status

[Drytoast]

He's been taking off the last 3 years. You could see him starting to breakthrough in the second half of the 2020-21 season, after around Februaryish, he started going nuts. He was probably our best player in the playoffs that year. Since then he's been an 80 point guy, but this year he's somehow managed to take another step forward.

I don't disagree with OP, he's been our best player by a MILE. Matthews is obviously our main guy but so far this season Nylander has been unquestionably our best player.


With how he's playing he should be getting 11M.

Klingberg, Brodie, Domi, Bertuzzi are all coming off the books. Cap is expected to rise, the following year Tavares comes off the books. He will easily be resigned.

I'm not saying Willy isn't going to get 11. We can't afford 11. He's priced himself out of Toronto.

On this team under his role we can only afford 9 tops. He's NOT David Pasternak. He's just not.

Pasternak, besides being more successful and consistent in scoring than Nylander will battle in the corners.


That's an 11 mil player/leader. Willy isn't this.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Its funny because he's the less physical out of of the 4 star forwards in terms of actually receiving and giving contact out there but he gets to the slot much more efficiently than the other guys in the playoffs

Unfortunately none of the four star players are physical, hence the years of playoff failure...

 

[Drytoast]

Unfortunately none of the four star players are physical, hence the years of playoff failure...

Matthews, our 13m+ "leader" was collecting f***ing sticks during a scrum last year and Stammer had to punch him 5 times in the face before Matthews realized he was in a fight.



Here's Marner (another softy leader) complaining to the ref that he's getting bullied by Tkatchuk in the playoffs. And we wonder why we get rolled.



13M. 11M And now we want give what? 11+ to another softy?

 

[GQS]

Nylander has less Utility than Marner. And Marner's put up more points to date. This is a contract year by Willy. I'm not impressed enough to further commit our cap structure to be top heavy which has proven to be our downfall in the games that matter.

In the playoffs all 4 of our top paid talent have gotten absolutely ROLLED by your mid tier 5-6M, balanced teams who work hard.

Sure Marner can kill penalties, but I don't think it would kill the Leafs PK if he wasn't on it. Also while Marner has put up more points to date compared to Nylander, I still think he's the better game breaking type player. The kind of goals that Nylander has scored during his career especially in the past couple of years because of his speed and agility, I don't think I've seen much of from Marner to date.

I think losing a player like Nylander with his skills hurts abit more than losing Marner. Ideally I still think it'd be best if you could get him to sign a 1 year bridge deal and then give him a big contract when Tavares comes off the books. Also if you take Nylander over Marner you'll likely save a few million as well if you assume he gets maybe 10 million or so vs Marner who will probably get close to Matthew's new contract.

 

[Drytoast]

Sure Marner can kill penalties, but I don't think it would kill the Leafs PK if he wasn't on it. Also while Marner has put up more points to date compared to Nylander, I still think he's the better game breaking type player. The kind of goals that Nylander has scored during his career especially in the past couple of years because of his speed and agility, I don't think I've seen much of from Marner to date.

I think losing a player like Nylander with his skills hurts abit more than losing Marner. Ideally I still think it'd be best if you could get him to sign a 1 year bridge deal and then give him a big contract when Tavares comes off the books. Also if you take Nylander over Marner you'll likely save a few million as well if you assume he gets maybe 10 million or so vs Marner who will probably get close to Matthew's new contract.

A better "game breaker" whom hasn't broken any games in the playoffs to date.

K.

Doesn't kill penalties. Doesn't hit. Doesn't fight. Is a softy. Will score you that useless third goal in a 4-1 win during the regular season. But sure! Let's over pay him for what he brings to the table to further perpetuate our soft leadership so we can get folded in the playoffs when real teams bring their hard nosed games to the table.

Nope. No thanks

 

[ole ole]

So, how do they afford him?

You sign him before the season starts. OPPS They screwed that up.

 

[Drytoast]

You sign him before the season starts. OPPS They screwed that up.

I'm sure Treliving tried but Willy likely wasn't having it because he wanted to gamble on himself. Which was smart. He's going to get 11 somewhere. I just don't want it to be in Toronto.

 

[luiginb]

Here's Marner (another softy leader) complaining to the ref that he's getting bullied by Tkatchuk in the playoffs. And we wonder why we get rolled.

That Marner video isn't only embarrassing for him as a hockey player, but as a man too.

 

[Jojalu]

A better "game breaker" whom hasn't broken any games in the playoffs to date.

K.

Doesn't kill penalties. Doesn't hit. Doesn't fight. Is a softy. Will score you that useless third goal in a 4-1 win during the regular season. But sure! Let's over pay him for what he brings to the table to further perpetuate our soft leadership so we can get folded in the playoffs when real teams bring their hard nosed games to the table.

Nope. No thanks

Useless 4-1 goal?

Why bother torching any of your points that might be valid with ridiculous statements?

 

[Drytoast]

That Marner video isn't only embarrassing for him as a hockey player, but as a man too.

These are our "leaders" they represent half the cap space and the character of our team.

Yes. I'm over it.

Useless 4-1 goal?

Why bother torching any of your points that might be valid with ridiculous statements?

Count on your hand how many times Willy took a game over in the playoffs. Because I don't give a flying f*** about the regular season.

 

[notbias]

I'm not saying Willy isn't going to get 11. We can't afford 11. He's priced himself out of Toronto.

On this team under his role we can only afford 9 tops. He's NOT David Pasternak. He's just not.

Pasternak, besides being more successful and consistent in scoring than Nylander will battle in the corners.


That's an 11 mil player/leader. Willy isn't this.

This leadership brought the Bruins one less series win than Toronto last year... it's almost like scrums and fighting doesn't mean you win.

 

[dirtydanglez]

he has all the tools but hell have to keep it going for the rest of the season and playoffs first

 

[Jojalu]

These are out "leaders" they represent half the cap space and the character of our team.

Yes. I'm over it.


Count on your hand how many times Willy took a game over in the playoffs. Because I don't give a flying f*** about the regular season.

He has had his fair share of moments in the playoffs.

 

[darkwingduck]

I really like nylander as a player, but are there any actual superstars in hockey anymore?

I don’t think the players transcend beyond the sport much anymore.

 

[Drytoast]

This leadership brought the Bruins one less series win than Toronto last year... it's almost like scrums and fighting doesn't mean you win.

Fighting and scrums are a means to attempt to bully and assert dominance. And for some reason they happen in EVERY PLAYOFF SERIES, every year throughout all of the playoff history. You cannot avoid it. We are never going to not have physicality in the games that matter.





Look at the people in those scrums. Marchessault, Ktachuck, Hill hell even Eichel was in there.

You either let yourself get bullied and complain to the referee because Tkachuk did something mean or you stick up for yourself. And by "stick up" I don't mean "collect sticks" (I'm looking at you Matthews.)

He has had his fair share of moments in the playoffs.

No. He really hasn't.

 

[sabresfan129103]

If he finishes with 90-100 points he'll be looking at $11-12 Million a year for 7 or 8 years and he deserves it.

 

[notbias]

Fighting and scrums are a means to attempt to bully and assert dominance. And for some reason they happen in EVERY PLAYOFF SERIES, every year throughout all of the playoffs. You cannot avoid it.





Look at the people in those scrums. Marchessault, Ktachuck, Hill hell even Eichel was in there.

You either let yourself get bullied and complain to the referee because Tkachuk did something mean or you stick up for yourself. And by "stick up" I don't mean "collect sticks" (I'm looking at you Matthews.)


No. He really hasn't.

You use the Matthews example... but they won that series... so what does that prove?

 

[waitin425]

He is about to get seriously paid. The Leafs better get very creative with their cap, as Tavares will still be on the books this summer when they re-negotiate with Nylander. Same age as Tavares when he signed his 11 mil deal. Nylander should be in the 12 range based on the big four in Toronto.

 

[Drytoast]

You use the Matthews example... but they won that series... so what does that prove?

A yes. The one series they've won in 8 years. How'd they fair against Florida?

Here, let me remind you how we got bullied in 5.

Want another piss poor example of our leaders getting rag dolled in the playoffs which led to a series loss? Easy peezy.



How'd we do against Montreal? A work horse team with who? Weber and Price making 10 and that's it?

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Who's William Nylander?

Oh, you mean Michael Nylander, right?

 

[Drytoast]

He is about to get seriously paid. The Leafs better get very creative with their cap, as Tavares will still be on the books this summer when they re-negotiate with Nylander. Same age as Tavares when he signed his 11 mil deal. Nylander should be in the 12 range based on the big four in Toronto.

No thanks. He can be in the 12 range in Montreal. You guys pay him.

 

[waitin425]

No thanks. He can be in the 12 range in Montreal. You guys pay him.

LMFAO.....I don't want him at that range. But the bar has been set within your org. He will be getting close to that in Toronto. If he walks, that is a different story. This is a weird situation where if he tests the open market, he might not hit as much as the Leafs will have to pay him. Based on Tavares and Marner's previous deals, the current market and cap, this should be Nylanders asking price. After the past two years, how can he accept being paid significantly less than Matthews and what Marner will likely get. Like I said, Leafs gotta get creative. I see a flip flopping of Nylander and Tavares in terms of contract. I see Tavares taking a hometown pajama boy discount next, of a 4 year x 7 million deal to close out his career.

 

[Drytoast]

LMFAO.....I don't want him at that range. But the bar has been set within your org. He will be getting close to that in Toronto. If he walks, that is a different story. This is a weird situation where if he tests the open market, he might not hit as much as the Leafs will have to pay him. Based on Tavares and Marner's previous deals, the current market and cap, this should be Nylanders asking price. After the past two years, how can he accept being paid significantly less than Matthews and what Marner will likely get. Like I said, Leafs gotta get creative. I see a flip flopping of Nylander and Tavares in terms of contract. I see Tavares taking a hometown pajama boy discount next, of a 4 year x 7 million deal to close out his career.

Not everyone in this thread recognizes your slight towards Toronto's cap irresponsibility which has led to no success in the playoffs. But I see you.

 

[Tuggy]

His contract is a very interesting storyline.

At this point, I'm not sure how it will play out.

I'm sure the Leafs would love to sign him but how does he fit in their cap structure? Surely he'll be looking for north of 10M. This is his big payday.

Or does he take a short contract, less money, to the sign with the Leafs and then extend after Tavares is gone? That'd be a gamble on his part.

If the Leafs can't sign him, would they trade him before the deadline? Seems unlikely with them being a contender.

Letting him walk for nothing is very possible.

 

[sr edler]

Pasternak, besides being more successful and consistent in scoring than Nylander will battle in the corners.

Pastrnak may be more physical than Nylander but calling him scrappy or something similar would be quite a stretch IMO. The title of that video, that he's deciding to fight Wilson, is also a great stretch as it's not even an actual fight taking place, and if that was Nylander you would probably blast him for turtling under the ref. Pastrnak is also a diver that falls easily. Also, a big reason St. Louis won the 2019 SCFs is because the Sundqvist/Barbashev line crashed and bang against Pastrnak and he couldn't handle it very well, going –7 in the series.