William Nylander has reached superstar status

[Drytoast]

Pastrnak may be more physical than Nylander but calling him scrappy or something similar would be quite a stretch IMO. The title of that video, that he's deciding to fight Wilson, is also a great stretch as it's not even an actual fight taking place, and if that was Nylander you would probably blast him for turtling under the ref. Pastrnak is also a diver that falls easily. Also, a big reason St. Louis won the 2019 SCFs is because the Sundqvist/Barbashev line crashed and bang against Pastrnak and he couldn't handle it very well, going –7 in the series.

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William Nylander doesn't fight. Doesn't hit. He is a goal scorer whom is not a team leader. He's never going to be "the guy" to lead you through the playoff trenches. To lead by example. He's not worth 11M. In my mind 11M players will do those things. Pasternak will at the very least, stick up for himself. He will throw hits. He WILL battle.

And yeah, that's a big difference between the value of the two. Both will put up points. But only one will stick up for himself or his team.

For the record...

And before you go off about how "you don't let your talent fight bro" f***ING MCDAVID has been in scuffles. MCDAVID. Crosby. Ovechkin...all of them.

 

[GQS]

A better "game breaker" whom hasn't broken any games in the playoffs to date.

K.

Doesn't kill penalties. Doesn't hit. Doesn't fight. Is a softy. Will score you that useless third goal in a 4-1 win during the regular season. But sure! Let's over pay him for what he brings to the table to further perpetuate our soft leadership so we can get folded in the playoffs when real teams bring their hard nosed games to the table.

Nope. No thanks

Marner is decent killing penalties, nothing elite. He doesn't hit or fight either and he started off his career looking pretty good defensively, but has gotten somewhat worse since. Nylander isn't amazing defensively, but he's gotten better recently to be alright. Offensively to me Nylander has looked more dangerous the past couple of seasons where he can create and finish on his own where Marner is less able to do so and it helps that Nylander has the better shot too.

When you factor in money, I'll take Nylander at around 10 million over Marner at around 13 million. And neither player is tough and that includes Matthews as well.

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm not saying Willy isn't going to get 11. We can't afford 11. He's priced himself out of Toronto.

On this team under his role we can only afford 9 tops. He's NOT David Pasternak. He's just not.

Pasternak, besides being more successful and consistent in scoring than Nylander will battle in the corners.


That's an 11 mil player/leader. Willy isn't this.

We can easily afford 11. Like I said we have some big contracts coming off the books and JT is up in 2 years, he's not getting anything above 7M on his next deal. Leafs will resign Willy long term and then either bring JT back on an extremely team friendly deal or move on from him.

Brodie/Klingberg/Domi/Bertuzzi/Samsonov are all FA. No chance Klingberg/Sammy are brought at all. Brodie maybe if it's a very cheap contract. We have enough money to work with.

THIS YEAR, he's been every bit as good as Pastrnak. Can he maintain it ? We'll see, but so far this year he is playing like a legitimate superstar.

 

[Drytoast]

We can easily afford 11. Like I said we have some big contracts coming off the books and JT is up in 2 years, he's not getting anything above 7M on his next deal. Leafs will resign Willy long term and then either bring JT back on an extremely team friendly deal or move on from him.

Brodie/Klingberg/Domi/Bertuzzi/Samsonov are all FA. No chance Klingberg/Sammy are brought at all. Brodie maybe if it's a very cheap contract. We have enough money to work with.

THIS YEAR, he's been every bit as good as Pastrnak. Can he maintain it ? We'll see, but so far this year he is playing like a legitimate superstar.

He's not worth 11. I dunno how many times this needs to be said to you. William Nylander doesn't bring enough to the table on this club to be the 11M guy. He doesn't lead. He doesn't hit. He won't stick up for his teams and he's never taken a playoff game let alone a series by himself. We are not going to win paying a guy like Nylander 11M.

It's been 8 years of playoff failures and our shortcomings are OBVIOUS at this point. I'm over it. I refuse to pay a player like William Nylander 11M. That's just asking for further playoff disappointment.

Marner is decent killing penalties, nothing elite. He doesn't hit or fight either and he started off his career looking pretty good defensively, but has gotten somewhat worse since. Nylander isn't amazing defensively, but he's gotten better recently to be alright. Offensively to me Nylander has looked more dangerous the past couple of seasons where he can create and finish on his own where Marner is less able to do so and it helps that Nylander has the better shot too.

When you factor in money, I'll take Nylander at around 10 million over Marner at around 13 million. And neither player is tough and that includes Matthews as well.

Marner is not an 11M player either. Bro is either 9-10 max. Yeah. He's over paid right now. All of our "leaders" suck at playoff hockey. They are soft and weak when it matters. And I'm DONE paying 4 soft players 10M+. How often do you need to see us get bullied or not start on time. Or look flat.
Nylander is not the guy. He's not. That's not his game. He's a super soft offensive minded player.

 

[sr edler]

William Nylander doesn't fight. Doesn't hit. He is a goal scorer whom is not a team leader. He's never going to be "the guy" to lead you through the playoff trenches. To lead by example. He's not worth 11M. In my mind 11M players will do those things. Pasternak will at the very least, stick up for himself. He will throw hits. He WILL battle.

This describes all your star players. Nylander isn't any different than any of your other top guys. All your top guys are soft. Is Nylander soft? Yes, he is. But it's weird singling him out when Matthews and Marner and Tavares are equally soft.

Sorry, Pastrnak jumping Dahlin alongside Marchand isn't impressing. Him turtling against Wilson isn't that impressive either.

 

[Drytoast]

This describes all your star players. Nylander isn't any different than any of your other top guys. All your top guys are soft. Is Nylander soft? Yes, he is. But it's weird singling him out when Matthews and Marner and Tavares are equally soft.

Sorry, Pastrnak jumping Dahlin alongside Marchand isn't impressing. Him turtling against Wilson isn't that impressive either.

Pasternak swinging on Wilson (one of the toughest players in the league) is impressive. But sticking up for himself is already beyond what Nylander does. Here's another clip of Pasternak battling and not backing down.


Willy doesn't do this. Willy just gets bullied.

Want me to post clips of literally every single super star sticking up for themselves or their teammates either hitting or fighting? Because I can. Everyone except Toronto superstars that is.



11M players are your team leaders. I am not paying another 11M to another player who's f***ing soft. Because then the team is soft and we get rolled by shit work ethic or weak play in general.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Thread should be titled: Nylander has reached contract year performance status.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Nylander might get the Tavares contract.

On the market.

 

[Stickpucker]

He deserves a good bit more than Tavares adjusted for inflation.

 

[The90]

Keep him as a rental. He’s going to be a Kadri 2.0, everyone knows it and so his value on the market is only as a rental

Kadri 2.0? Nobody expects him to finish with 130 points that’s ridiculous.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I'm tired of the "pay 4 players all the f***ing cap" nonsense because one of them did something great in the regular season. I'm over it. They've all been MID in the playoffs where it matters. Getting absolutely ROLLED by your "Knies" type players who only make 5-6M tops.

I'm DONE giving 4 players the majority of the cap. I'm DONE with it.

13M. 11M And now we want give what? 11+ to another softy?

A better "game breaker" whom hasn't broken any games in the playoffs to date.

K.

Doesn't kill penalties. Doesn't hit. Doesn't fight. Is a softy. Will score you that useless third goal in a 4-1 win during the regular season. But sure! Let's over pay him for what he brings to the table to further perpetuate our soft leadership so we can get folded in the playoffs when real teams bring their hard nosed games to the table.

Nope. No thanks

I'm sure Treliving tried but Willy likely wasn't having it because he wanted to gamble on himself. Which was smart. He's going to get 11 somewhere. I just don't want it to be in Toronto.

These are our "leaders" they represent half the cap space and the character of our team.

Yes. I'm over it.
William Nylander doesn't fight. Doesn't hit. He is a goal scorer whom is not a team leader. He's never going to be "the guy" to lead you through the playoff trenches. To lead by example. He's not worth 11M. In my mind 11M players will do those things. Pasternak will at the very least, stick up for himself. He will throw hits. He WILL battle.

Marner is not an 11M player either. Bro is either 9-10 max. Yeah. He's over paid right now. All of our "leaders" suck at playoff hockey. They are soft and weak when it matters. And I'm DONE paying 4 soft players 10M+. How often do you need to see us get bullied or not start on time. Or look flat.
Nylander is not the guy. He's not. That's not his game. He's a super soft offensive minded player.

11M players are your team leaders. I am not paying another 11M to another player who's f***ing soft. Because then the team is soft and we get rolled by shit work ethic or weak play in general.

Hey man, could you please make your opinion on Nylander and his contract a little more clear? You're being quite vague with these posts.

Also, could you post a little more often in this thread? Right now you're making about every second post here, but that still leaves room for other posts from other folks. That bothers me. Personally I'd just like this thread to be entirely comprised of your work, so please up the frequency.

Thanks!

 

[AvroArrow]

He's not worth 11. I dunno how many times this needs to be said to you. William Nylander doesn't bring enough to the table on this club to be the 11M guy. He doesn't lead. He doesn't hit. He won't stick up for his teams and he's never taken a playoff game let alone a series by himself. We are not going to win paying a guy like Nylander 11M.

It's been 8 years of playoff failures and our shortcomings are OBVIOUS at this point. I'm over it. I refuse to pay a player like William Nylander 11M. That's just asking for further playoff disappointment.

You're more than welcome to cry about William Nylander not being good enough, I'm not gonna waste my time or energy trying to convince you otherwise.

 

[The90]

Hey man, could you please make your opinion on Nylander and his contract a little more clear? You're being quite vague with these posts.

Also, could you post a little more often in this thread? Right now you're making about every second post here, but that still leaves room for other posts from other folks. That bothers me. Personally I'd just like this thread to be entirely comprised of your work, so please up the frequency.

Thanks!

Lol. What a performance.

 

[Drytoast]

Hey man, could you please make your opinion on Nylander and his contract a little more clear? You're being quite vague with these posts.

Also, could you post a little more often in this thread? Right now you're making about every second post here, but that still leaves room for other posts from other folks. That bothers me. Personally I'd just like this thread to be entirely comprised of your work, so please up the frequency.

Thanks!

Have I mentioned how much I am done with the current leadership of this team?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Nylander is the Swedish Wayne Gretzky!

 

[leafsfan5]

The Leafs will re-sign him and bite the bullet for next year when Tavares is still making 11 million. Nylander is too good to let go for nothing or even a rental price

After Tavares is up, the Leafs will have a lot more flexibility to build the roster

 

[Mogo]

This mean Sam Reinhart is a superstar too? Yeah, no to both

 

[cc]

The Leafs have some expiring contracts so I think they should be able to sign him. I can see him asking for a contract in the 11 or 12 range. He's been that good

 

[Strangle]

No. This is a Leaf problem. And the proof is the team cap structure of all the teams who are successful in the playoffs.

Your solution of "we could pay Nylander but the league needs to fix the cap!" is unrealistic and ridiculous. The league isn't going to "fix the cap" so lets not sign players on the guise that it will.

We can't afford Nylander. He's priced himself out of Toronto. We either use him as a rental now or we trade him for assets that can plug some needed holes on this team.

Is continue this disagreement, but what’s going to happen when you’re proven wrong?

Nothing.

So what’s even the point?

bahahaha sure , blame the nhl , stop with the victim complex , i saw another post of yours saying now everybody supports nylander because it will make the leafs overpay him hahaha jesus christ buddy cry me a river poor you

Right.

How much cap space do the canadiens have?

 

[Apotheosis]

As a Leaf fan I always said that I thought there would be a season where he just realized how insanely talented he was and everything just came together. The puck is just always tethered to his stick, he is so slippery and his stride is so efficient. Having an insane wrist shot and good vision helps too lol.

 

[rojac]

I'm not sure that his performance this year affects his asking price much at all. If the asking price was based on his past performance, then it might go up because he's showing he can do more than that. If his asking price was based more on what felt he could do for the Leafs, then this This season may just proving that he is indeed worth that asking price. We'll see.

In any, let's assume he gets his rumoured $10.5 asking price. That's an increase of ~$3.6M. The cap is expected to go up ~$4M. The increases to Matthews and Nylander would come to ~$5.2M. That's a shortfall of $1.2M.

Brody, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, Domi, and Samsonov are all UFAs making a total of $21M. Basically, if the Leafs replace those 5 players with players making a total of ~$19.8M, they'd be fine.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Its almost like this is a contract year

ive never understood this

do people really think players only choose to show up in contract years?

the likelihood is contract years tend to be around a players prime

 

[ijuka]

I'm not sure that his performance this year affects his asking price much at all. If the asking price was based on his past performance, then it might go up because he's showing he can do more than that. If his asking price was based more on what felt he could do for the Leafs, then this This season may just proving that he is indeed worth that asking price. We'll see.

In any, let's assume he gets his rumoured $10.5 asking price. That's an increase of ~$3.6M. The cap is expected to go up ~$4M. The increases to Matthews and Nylander would come to ~$5.2M. That's a shortfall of $1.2M.

Brody, Klingberg, Bertuzzi, Domi, and Samsonov are all UFAs making a total of $21M. Basically, if the Leafs replace those 5 players with players making a total of ~$19.8M, they'd be fine.

You don't think his asking price would go up from 10.5mil with the current season, even though it's looking to be the best one he's had by far?

ive never understood this

do people really think players only choose to show up in contract years?

the likelihood is contract years tend to be around a players prime

Take a look at historical data for contract year performance vs non-contract year performance, and see if it's higher.

Then you will understand why.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

You don't think his asking price would go up from 10.5mil with the current season, even though it's looking to be the best one he's had by far?


Take a look at historical data for contract year performance vs non-contract year performance, and see if it's higher.

Then you will understand why.

so you mean compare a single season or two to an entire career? that isnt how statistics work...

its very likely correlation and nor causation

the more likely case is players' primes coincide with contract years

 

[ijuka]

so you mean compare a single season or two to an entire career? that isnt how statistics work...

its very likely correlation and nor causation

the more likely case is players' primes coincide with contract years

I mean, for example, players' 23yo seasons while on contract year vs not on contract year, using all data by all players. Or, players' delta before contract year, on contract year, and after contract year, using all data by all players.

I know how statistics work quite well.

its very likely correlation and nor causation

Oh? So what do you think would be the real reason, then? What is the actual cause, if this is correlation without causation?

the more likely case is players' primes coincide with contract years

Proper methodology accounts for this. Like I said, 24yo players' contract years vs non-contract years. Unless you're saying the primes are expected to be differently located for if a player has a 24yo contract year vs 25yo contract year etc. in which case I'd say that that's rather unlikely.