William Nylander has reached superstar status

[notbias]

Marner has a NMC. And Matthews is signed. JT we can't do nothing with until hes done. And Willy has priced himself out of Toronto.

It's over. We either use him as a rental and get nothing for him after another lack luster playoff performance or we trade him for pieces somewhere along the season.

But unless Willy comes in at a reasonable ask. 9. Which he won't. He's gone.

Exactly! How could they ever afford him with the 34 million they have in cap next year...

 

[TheDoldrums]

he should prob get what he wants here in Toronto or on the open market. actually likely more on the open market. I think he wants to stay here but he's going to get what he he deserves.

I would love to keep him but not sure its possible unless MLSE makes a tough decision and finds a way to either convince Tavares to accept a trade then finding the team interested. or moving Marner.

chances are Nylander is done in Toronto after this season

The difference between what Nylander might've signed for before the year and now is like one David Kampf. The Leafs are not going to let a superstar who loves playing in Toronto go over that.

The Leafs have a ton of expiring deals. They'll have lots of flexibility to alter the team. Nylanders not going anywhere. It's hilarious watching people act like cap casualties need to be the teams best players instead of the Kampfs or the Klingbergs or the Domis or the Jarnkroks or the Reaves of the world.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The difference between what Nylander might've signed for before the year and now is like one David Kampf. The Leafs are not going to let a superstar who loves playing in Toronto go over that.

The Leafs have a ton of expiring deals. They'll have lots of flexibility to alter the team. Nylanders not going anywhere. It's hilarious watching people act like cap casualties need to be the teams best players instead of the Kampfs or the Klingbergs or the Domis or the Jarnkroks or the Reaves of the world.

well I hope your right and its just that simple.

 

[BB88]

I don't think the Leafs are going to give him 11. But they do need to go to double digits that's for sure.

Somene probably will which would make him this years Horvat.

I’d be extremely carefull of what I’d offer for him. As good as he is I’d never have him as a top 2/3 piece to build around

The difference between what Nylander might've signed for before the year and now is like one David Kampf. The Leafs are not going to let a superstar who loves playing in Toronto go over that.

The Leafs have a ton of expiring deals. They'll have lots of flexibility to alter the team. Nylanders not going anywhere. It's hilarious watching people act like cap casualties need to be the teams best players instead of the Kampfs or the Klingbergs or the Domis or the Jarnkroks or the Reaves of the world.

Of course they can pay him but then it’s just same old same old.
Having your top players on max value contracts and not being able to surround them with quality depth.

Teams like the Devils& Florida will have a massive edge there

 

[TheDoldrums]

Of course they can pay him but then it’s just same old same old.
Having your top players on max value contracts and not being able to surround them with quality depth.

Teams like the Devils& Florida will have a massive edge there

Devils have a massive edge on every team in the NHL...no shit

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Its funny because he's the less physical out of of the 4 star forwards in terms of actually receiving and giving contact out there but he gets to the slot much more efficiently than the other guys in the playoffs

 

[Smif]

Nylander and Marner should both re-sign this summer for 8x10.5 and JT 3x7 making the overall cost for our core 4 forwards the same as it is now but less cap percentage.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

He will be just like the rest of them once he gets his super mega deal.

I just was wondering, what happened to the PED policy in the NHL.. He's got water retention written all over him

who cares let the boys take PEDs, good for the game

 

[Strangle]

Was, you mean. Most recently, he's a 40-goal scorer. As is Nylander.

This is such a ridiculous take lmao

This is the same ‘not lying’ you read in news headlines. And probably where you learned it from.

 

[AvatarAang]

Apparently 16 games is enough to plan the parade for canucks fans.

If we use Vancouver logic then we can call Nylander a superstar after 16 games

 

[Drytoast]

Exactly! How could they ever afford him with the 34 million they have in cap next year...

Don't need to pay anyone else on the team! Just give it all to 4 players and the rest will be cast offs and league min waiver pick ups! Brilliant!

Want a goalie? Nope! Can't afford one.

Want some defense? Nope! Can't afford that!

Want a 3rd line? We will just play Willy double shifted to the 4th line!

 

[Strangle]

Exactly! How could they ever afford him with the 34 million they have in cap next year...

I love how people speak in such absolutes about what they know absolutely nothing about (like the user you’re replying to).

Anyone who says the Leafs ‘can’t afford’ Nylander are just living in their own hopes and dreams.

 

[Drytoast]

Keep him as a rental. He’s going to be a Kadri 2.0, everyone knows it and so his value on the market is only as a rental

I hate having such a valuable piece just slip into the ether when we could get something pretty sweet for him that could fill some needed holes long term.

Having said that, because of the cap...it seems to be the case that you can fill those spots as their are almost always talent that is available because of the cap.

I love how people speak in such absolutes about what they know absolutely nothing about (like the user you’re replying to).

Anyone who says the Leafs ‘can’t afford’ Nylander are just living in their own hopes and dreams.

Of course we could pay nylander. The problem is that you don't want to apparently ever pay for a decent goalie or have any kind of competent 3rd line or defense.

You wanna perpetuate this top heavy contract structure that loves to get rolled in the playoffs because we have no valuable workers on the team worth a damn.

 

[notbias]

Don't need to pay anyone else on the team! Just give it all to 4 players and the rest will be cast offs and league min waiver pick ups! Brilliant!

Want a goalie? Nope! Can't afford one.

Want some defense? Nope! Can't afford that!

Want a 3rd line? We will just play Willy double shifted to the 4th line!

Luckily during Dubas' tenure, they drafted well, so some ELCs and cheap signings will help.

Cheap players and ELCs that will potentially contribute: Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, Cowen, Minten, Timmins, Liljegren, Woll, Rifai, Steeves, and Abruzzesse.

Not all of them will play, but they will have cheap players too...

They need to handle his cap hit for one year...

 

[Strangle]

Don't need to pay anyone else on the team! Just give it all to 4 players and the rest will be cast offs and league min waiver pick ups! Brilliant!

Want a goalie? Nope! Can't afford one.

Want some defense? Nope! Can't afford that!

Want a 3rd line? We will just play Willy double shifted to the 4th line!

I agree, the NHL needs to fix their cap situation.

They need to allow teams to go over the cap, everyone is doing it anyways, may as well just allow them to be less sneaky about it.

Ability to cut players like the NFL, or luxury tax like MLB, the NHL’s cap is an absolute joke.

But you’re right, it’ll be the plugs or serviceable players in the NHL who will take the paycuts and the superstars who will make the real money and the gap will continue to widen until the league figures out it’s shit.

This isn’t a leaf problem, it’s an every team problem. They all want to spend more than the league allows, and most competitive NHL teams (and many non-competitive teams - Ottawa) are up against the cap).

The goal is to spend to the cap, by the way. You don’t score any goals by having $10m in dead cap space. Has an NHL team ever won the Stanley cup with $20m in cap space left unused?

I hate having such a valuable piece just slip into the ether when we could get something pretty sweet for him that could fill some needed holes long term.

Having said that, because of the cap...it seems to be the case that you can fill those spots as their are almost always talent that is available because of the cap.


Of course we could pay nylander. The problem is that you don't want to apparently ever pay for a decent goalie or have any kind of competent 3rd line or defense.

You wanna perpetuate this top heavy contract structure that loves to get rolled in the playoffs because we have no valuable workers on the team worth a damn.

The leafs 3rd line is great and their goaltending is capable of .910+. They just need the goalies to perform to their abilities.

But yes, the spirit of what you’re saying is true. Superstars will get all the money and everyone else on every team in the nhl will make peanuts in comparison.

That’s the NHL’s fault

 

[Drytoast]

I agree, the NHL needs to fix their cap situation.

They need to allow teams to go over the cap, everyone is doing it anyways, may as well just allow them to be less sneaky about it.

Ability to cut players like the NFL, or luxury tax like MLB, the NHL’s cap is an absolute joke.

But you’re right, it’ll be the plugs or serviceable players in the NHL who will take the paycuts and the superstars who will make the real money and the gap will continue to widen until the league figures out it’s shit.

This isn’t a leaf problem, it’s an every team problem. They all want to spend more than the league allows, and most competitive NHL teams (and many non-competitive teams - Ottawa) are up against the cap).

The goal is to spend to the cap, by the way. You don’t score any goals by having $10m in dead cap space. Has an NHL team ever won the Stanley cup with $20m in cap space left unused?

No. This is a Leaf problem. And the proof is the team cap structure of all the teams who are successful in the playoffs.

Your solution of "we could pay Nylander but the league needs to fix the cap!" is unrealistic and ridiculous. The league isn't going to "fix the cap" so lets not sign players on the guise that it will.

We can't afford Nylander. He's priced himself out of Toronto. We either use him as a rental now or we trade him for assets that can plug some needed holes on this team.

 

[Drytoast]

Luckily during Dubas' tenure, they drafted well, so some ELCs and cheap signings will help.

Cheap players and ELCs that will potentially contribute: Knies, Robertson, Holmberg, Cowen, Minten, Timmins, Liljegren, Woll, Rifai, Steeves, and Abruzzesse.

Not all of them will play, but they will have cheap players too...

They need to handle his cap hit for one year...

Those contracts are short term and those players are gone. Woll turns out to be a stellar goalie? He's gonna wanna get paid. But f*** it! Right? We gave that money to Willy's hair!

Knies turns out to be a great power forward? Oh well! We can't afford 5M to pay Knies. That's crazy talk!

I'm tired of the "pay 4 players all the f***ing cap" nonsense because one of them did something great in the regular season. I'm over it. They've all been MID in the playoffs where it matters. Getting absolutely ROLLED by your "Knies" type players who only make 5-6M tops.

 

[GQS]

Marner has a NMC. And Matthews is signed. JT we can't do nothing with until hes done. And Willy has priced himself out of Toronto.

It's over. We either use him as a rental and get nothing for him after another lack luster playoff performance or we trade him for pieces somewhere along the season.

But unless Willy comes in at a reasonable ask. 9. Which he won't. He's gone.

What I don't understand is that is it not possible to resign Nylander to a one year bridge deal so that in 24-25 when Tavares contract finally ends you can then sign Nylander to a bigger long term deal? If Tavares wants to stay let him take a huge paycut to do so and then Nylander can finally get his deal and Marner can get resigned as well if the Leafs want to keep him.

In some ways he's probably the Leafs best and most dangerous player on the team. Matthews as many goals as he's scored and as many points he's put up unfortunately lacks the speed and agility to make him McDavid/MacKinnon like dangerous. Nylander has the speed and agility to do that and for the past couple of seasons he's been the player that's consistently looked the most dangerous while on the ice and has that game breaking ability that almost no other player on the team has.

I'd definitely want to keep Nylander over Marner and if he keeps playing like he does now or gets even better then I'd almost want to keep him over Matthews too.

 

[Cancuks]

Yes he's earned every penny and I hope he wants retroactive pay for being underpaid... I hope the Leafs pay him $12 million+ a year and use the remaining cap to bring back Samsonov, Brodie, Giordano, Klingberg and sign Tanev. They can fill out the rest of the roster with league minimum AHL players.

 

[notbias]

No. This is a Leaf problem. And the proof is the team cap structure of all the teams who are successful in the playoffs.

Your solution of "we could pay Nylander but the league needs to fix the cap!" is unrealistic and ridiculous. The league isn't going to "fix the cap" so lets not sign players on the guise that it will.

We can't afford Nylander. He's priced himself out of Toronto. We either use him as a rental now or we trade him for assets that can plug some needed holes on this team.

You can overpay every single player that is signed in this scenario and it is cap-compliant.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Cowen - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Minten - Jarnkrok
Holmberg - Kampf - McMann

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Rifai - Timmins

Samsanov
Woll

Nylander @ 11 million
Samsanov @ 6 million
Brodie @ 5 million
Robertson @ 4 million
Liljegren @ 4 million
McMann @ 1.5 million

Those contracts are short term and those players are gone. Woll turns out to be a stellar goalie? He's gonna wanna get paid. But f*** it! Right? We gave that money to Willy's hair!

Knies turns out to be a great power forward? Oh well! We can't afford 5M to pay Knies. That's crazy talk!

I'm tired of the "pay 4 players all the f***ing cap" nonsense because one of them did something great in the regular season. I'm over it. They've all been MID in the playoffs where it matters. Getting absolutely ROLLED by your "Knies" type players who only make 5-6M tops.

You really have no clue about the Leafs cap situation... Nylander will get a raise, and the next year Tavares will take less...

They have been PPG the last 3 years and always score more than they get scored on... but yes, they get ROLLED

 

[Drytoast]

What I don't understand is that is it not possible to resign Nylander to a one year bridge deal so that in 24-25 when Tavares contract finally ends you can then sign Nylander to a bigger long term deal? If Tavares wants to stay let him take a huge paycut to do so and then Nylander can finally get his deal and Marner can get resigned as well if the Leafs want to keep him.

In some ways he's probably the Leafs best and most dangerous player on the team. Matthews as many goals as he's scored and as many points he's put up unfortunately lacks the speed and agility to make him McDavid/MacKinnon like dangerous. Nylander has the speed and agility to do that and for the past couple of seasons he's been the player that's consistently looked the most dangerous while on the ice and has that game breaking ability that almost no other player on the team has.

I'd definitely want to keep Nylander over Marner and if he keeps playing like he does now or gets even better then I'd almost want to keep him over Matthews too.

Nylander has less Utility than Marner. And Marner's put up more points to date. This is a contract year by Willy. I'm not impressed enough to further commit our cap structure to be top heavy which has proven to be our downfall in the games that matter.

In the playoffs all 4 of our top paid talent have gotten absolutely ROLLED by your mid tier 5-6M, balanced teams who work hard.

 

[notbias]

Yes he's earned every penny and I hope he wants retroactive pay for being underpaid... I hope the Leafs pay him $12 million+ a year and use the remaining cap to bring back Samsonov, Brodie, Giordano, Klingberg and sign Tanev. They can fill out the rest of the roster with league minimum AHL players.

If I was a Vancouver fan, I'd be more worried about the unsustainable pace the Canucks are scoring at and how this will drive up the price of players who aren't stars like Hronek or stars like Pettersson.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I agree, the NHL needs to fix their cap situation.

They need to allow teams to go over the cap, everyone is doing it anyways, may as well just allow them to be less sneaky about it.

Ability to cut players like the NFL, or luxury tax like MLB, the NHL’s cap is an absolute joke.

But you’re right, it’ll be the plugs or serviceable players in the NHL who will take the paycuts and the superstars who will make the real money and the gap will continue to widen until the league figures out it’s shit.

This isn’t a leaf problem, it’s an every team problem. They all want to spend more than the league allows, and most competitive NHL teams (and many non-competitive teams - Ottawa) are up against the cap).

The goal is to spend to the cap, by the way. You don’t score any goals by having $10m in dead cap space. Has an NHL team ever won the Stanley cup with $20m in cap space left unused?



The leafs 3rd line is great and their goaltending is capable of .910+. They just need the goalies to perform to their abilities.

But yes, the spirit of what you’re saying is true. Superstars will get all the money and everyone else on every team in the nhl will make peanuts in comparison.

That’s the NHL’s fault

bahahaha sure , blame the nhl , stop with the victim complex , i saw another post of yours saying now everybody supports nylander because it will make the leafs overpay him hahaha jesus christ buddy cry me a river poor you

 

[Drytoast]

You can overpay every single player that is signed in this scenario and it is cap-compliant.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Cowen - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Minten - Jarnkrok
Holmberg - Kampf - McMann

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Rifai - Timmins

Samsanov
Woll

Nylander @ 11 million
Samsanov @ 6 million
Brodie @ 5 million
Robertson @ 4 million
Liljegren @ 4 million
McMann @ 1.5 million



You really have no clue about the Leafs cap situation... Nylander will get a raise, and the next year Tavares will take less...

They have been PPG the last 3 years and always score more than they get scored on... but yes, they get ROLLED

Yes. They've gotten absolutely rolled. Last year we lost to Florida in 5 games. We were bullied in the corners and out worked in front of the net.

No f***ing thank you. Those third and 4th lines are garbage and our defense is weak still. You've just rolled back the same god damn problem that's haunted us for the past 8 years having learned nothing.

Here's Florida's pay roll. You remember Florida, don't you? They were the work horse team most recently responsible for destroying us in the playoffs.

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I'm not seeing anyone paid over 10. But on that team they've managed to pay respectable money to their goaltending which is a VERY IMPORTANT position. They've paid respectable money spread out over their defense. And they have 3-4 lines balanced lines.

I'm DONE giving 4 players the majority of the cap. I'm DONE with it.

 

[AvroArrow]

He's been taking off the last 3 years. You could see him starting to breakthrough in the second half of the 2020-21 season, after around Februaryish, he started going nuts. He was probably our best player in the playoffs that year. Since then he's been an 80 point guy, but this year he's somehow managed to take another step forward.

I don't disagree with OP, he's been our best player by a MILE. Matthews is obviously our main guy but so far this season Nylander has been unquestionably our best player.

Marner has a NMC. And Matthews is signed. JT we can't do nothing with until hes done. And Willy has priced himself out of Toronto.

It's over. We either use him as a rental and get nothing for him after another lack luster playoff performance or we trade him for pieces somewhere along the season.

But unless Willy comes in at a reasonable ask. 9. Which he won't. He's gone.

With how he's playing he should be getting 11M.

Klingberg, Brodie, Domi, Bertuzzi are all coming off the books. Cap is expected to rise, the following year Tavares comes off the books. He will easily be resigned.