Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

[HurricaneFanatic]

if ovechkin starts racking up injuries and misses the record because of it, that would be f***ing terrible

Why? Gretzky played nearly 8 years with a broken back?

 

[YippieKaey]

So much talk about Crosby. Make a thread for him if you want. This thread is about one of three players ever to score 800+ goals in the NHL. He's snakebitten to hell right now but still managing to produce points and is a part of a line with among the leagues highest xGF/60. Hopefully whatever is bothering him goes away so he can break the record from his office.

 

[Hank Plank]

Crosby threads never devolve into talk about Ovechkin so we'll respect your wish.

 

[PensandCaps]

The people declaring Ovi "Done" is in for a lot of crow when he goes on a tear.

 

[DearDiary]

So much talk about Crosby. Make a thread for him if you want. This thread is about one of three players ever to score 800+ goals in the NHL. He's snakebitten to hell right now but still managing to produce points and is a part of a line with among the leagues highest xGF/60. Hopefully whatever is bothering him goes away so he can break the record from his office.

In what way is he snakebitten? Are a lot of his shots hitting the post? Running into Haseks every night? Why does it have nothing to do with how terrible he plays?

His line with Strome/Wilson is 33rd in XGF/60. Considering there's 32 NHL teams, how is that among the leagues highest?

His line combination with Kuznetsov/Wilson has the worst XGA/60 in the league

 

[wetcoast]

In what way is he snakebitten? Are a lot of his shots hitting the post? Running into Haseks every night? Why does it have nothing to do with how terrible he plays?

His line with Strome/Wilson is 33rd in XGF/60. Considering there's 32 NHL teams, how is that among the leagues highest?

His line combination with Kuznetsov/Wilson has the worst XGA/60 in the league

Snakebitten is just yet another coping mechanism for those that want something but are unwilling to see reality as Ovi is meeting Father time.

Most of us already have seen the signs of his aging and there is only so much sheltering that can be done as time goes on.

At this rate setting the record is really in question and it really won't make any difference in his legacy anyways.

 

[iamjs]

8 goals in 39 GP at the midway point. Roughly a 17 goal pace.

12 goals in the remaining 41 games isn't out of the question.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Snakebitten is just yet another coping mechanism for those that want something but are unwilling to see reality as Ovi is meeting Father time.

Most of us already have seen the signs of his aging and there is only so much sheltering that can be done as time goes on.

At this rate setting the record is really in question and it really won't make any difference in his legacy anyways.

Your later points is correct, it won't matter if he gets the record or not at this point for his career ranking.

Having said that, as a huge fan of OV throughout his career, I think it's fair to let him ride into the sunset however he wants as any other generational player, he's earned it. I for one will miss him in the league.

 

[wetcoast]

Your later points is correct, it won't matter if he gets the record or not at this point for his career ranking.

Having said that, as a huge fan of OV throughout his career, I think it's fair to let him ride into the sunset however he wants as any other generational player, he's earned it. I for one will miss him in the league.

Fair enough but there are enough young stars and even mid career and late career ones that the NHL might be the most exciting interchange in my life and I'm in my mid 50's.

The number of young excellent NHL Dmen and forwards is simply outstanding and talent pipelines keep feeding us with a steady stream of future NHLers.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Age catches us all.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Just like how people talk about Brett Hull having more MVPs and goals than Yzerman, despite playing 250 fewer games.

Oh wait they don’t. No one does. As Yzerman was clearly the superior player despite scoring fewer goals (at a much lower pace) and didn’t win an MVP.

Brett Hull has 7% more goals than Steve Yzerman.

Ovechkin has nearly 50% more goals than Crosby.

Your analogy here is hilariously piss poor.

The people declaring Ovi "Done" is in for a lot of crow when he goes on a tear.

...for the 25th time.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

...for the 25th time.

I mean, blind squirrel with a broken watch, no?

 

[Hank Plank]

Your later points is correct, it won't matter if he gets the record or not at this point for his career ranking.

Of course it will he'll go down as the greatest goal scorer that bested the greatest hockey player in history. Or not. Gargantuan difference.

 

[wetcoast]

Of course it will he'll go down as the greatest goal scorer that bested the greatest hockey player in history. Or not. Gargantuan difference.

If people think that he needs to goal record to be seriously considered the best goal scorer of all time then they are mistaken.

 

[Hank Plank]

If people think that he needs to goal record to be seriously considered the best goal scorer of all time then they are mistaken.

No they are 100% correct anything else is mental gymnastics. Like what you just posted.

 

[george14]

Brett Hull has 7% more goals than Steve Yzerman.

Ovechkin has nearly 50% more goals than Crosby.

Your analogy here is hilariously piss poor.

7% more goals in 250 fewer games, was the point.

 

[Hank Plank]

Fans: Ovechkin is going to pass 99 to become the greatest goal scorer of all time
Reality: he might not make it
Fans: it doesn't matter if he passes 99 he's still the greatest


pathetic

 

[HTFN]

In what way is he snakebitten? Are a lot of his shots hitting the post? Running into Haseks every night? Why does it have nothing to do with how terrible he plays?

His line with Strome/Wilson is 33rd in XGF/60. Considering there's 32 NHL teams, how is that among the leagues highest?

His line combination with Kuznetsov/Wilson has the worst XGA/60 in the league

Yes? Outside a few posts, he's also had a handful go back on reviews for offsides because Wilson seems to have forgotten the rules this year.

So yes, exactly that, and Strome hasn't gotten nearly the time on the top line that he should because they've been trying to engage a completely useless Kuznetsov, which explains both parts of that...

Between this and what was almost assuredly an early season injury... the f*** are we talking about here?

 

[wizmet12]

Ovechkin has nearly 50% more goals than Crosby.

Right. Ovechikin has nearly 50 percent more EN goals than Crosby.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Fans: Ovechkin is going to pass 99 to become the greatest goal scorer of all time
Reality: he might not make it
Fans: it doesn't matter if he passes 99 he's still the greatest


pathetic

This is just silly. Ovechkin is already the best goal scorer of all-time, record or not. You won’t find too many people that disagree with this statement.

 

[DearDiary]

Yes? Outside a few posts, he's also had a handful go back on reviews for offsides because Wilson seems to have forgotten the rules this year.

So yes, exactly that, and Strome hasn't gotten nearly the time on the top line that he should because they've been trying to engage a completely useless Kuznetsov, which explains both parts of that...

Between this and what was almost assuredly an early season injury... the f*** are we talking about here?

How many goals do you estimate he lost out on and how does it compare to other players who hit posts and get goals called back?

How does that explain both parts? The stat the user brought up is per 60 minutes, not total. It makes no difference whether a player played 10 or 30 minutes on a line, it's completely irrelevant. Also, Ovechkin has played double the minutes with Kuznetsov than Strome at 5on5 (328 vs 166). That type of split in usage is normal across most teams lines

 

[Hank Plank]

This is just silly. Ovechkin is already the best goal scorer of all-time, record or not. You won’t find too many people that disagree with this statement.

He literally is not unless you think numbers are not real. Then yes in fantasy land you get your wish. Also your appeal to if the mob thinks something it must be true doesn't change objective reality.

 

[YippieKaey]

He literally is not unless you think numbers are not real. Then yes in fantasy land you get your wish. Also your appeal to if the mob thinks something it must be true doesn't change objective reality.

Numbers are real, especially when you adjust them for era. Take a look and rethink your statement.

 

[Shark Finn]

What a bum. Won't even finish his career with a double-digit amount of Rocket Richard trophies.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

He literally is not unless you think numbers are not real. Then yes in fantasy land you get your wish. Also your appeal to if the mob thinks something it must be true doesn't change objective reality.

Numbers are era-dependent. Personally, I think Lemieux is the best goal scorer (before Ovechkin, maybe even still), but that doesn’t mean he’s the greatest. Gretzky is the greatest until his record is broken.