Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

[Zine]

If by terrible you mean wonderful, yes.

There’s nothing wonderful about any player getting injured.
Take your biased hate elsewhere.

 

[HTFN]

How many goals do you estimate he lost out on and how does it compare to other players who hit posts and get goals called back?

How does that explain both parts? The stat the user brought up is per 60 minutes, not total. It makes no difference whether a player played 10 or 30 minutes on a line, it's completely irrelevant. Also, Ovechkin has played double the minutes with Kuznetsov than Strome at 5on5 (328 vs 166). That type of split in usage is normal across most teams lines

Who gives an actual or figurative shit how it compares to other players on the season?

Kuznetsov is on a mission to be the worst player of the year relative to talent, Strome actually works with the line... it's a small mystery among us why Kuznetsov keeps getting, like, anything relating to relevant deployment but he does. Their stats are virtually night and day and every time Strome hits the top line they end up scoring great on the gameday charts...

Dig into it for two seconds and you realize they're doing Kuznetsov an irrational favor because if he wakes up he's still a world beater... but he isn't, and when Strome takes over the first line comes to life again.

 

[bleedgreen]

This is just silly. Ovechkin is already the best goal scorer of all-time, record or not. You won’t find too many people that disagree with this statement.

Uhhhhh…..I think you’ll find plenty.

 

[Magic 8 Ball]

Has anybody ever calculated how many of Ovie's goals were from his "office"?

I think Ovie is great, but to me, the best goal scorer is the one that can score from anywhere, anytime. Not just one spot on the powerplay.

And history shows us that Ovie will be the best goal scorer for about 15ish years, then people will just start to forget about him, and the number of goals will be more important than how he actually played.

 

[OldCraig71]

Ovie is finally showing signs of declining and will be 39 in September, is the goal scoring record still a possibility for him? A trade elsewhere might be the only way it happens.

 

[Toby91ca]

Brett Hull has 7% more goals than Steve Yzerman.

Ovechkin has nearly 50% more goals than Crosby.

Your analogy here is hilariously piss poor.

the analogy actually isn’t too bad. If you average out for games played, Hull is about 27-28% higher and Ovechkin is about 28-29% higher than Crosby. But honestly I’m not sure who really cares about this. Suggesting, when careers are over, that Ovechkin was the better goal scorer than Crosby should not be at all controversial, while at the same time, suggesting Crosby was the better overall player should also not be at all controversial.

There may be a few die hard Ovi’s fans that argue this and no Crosby fans arguing he’s a better goal scorer, but neither are controversial

 

[avgard]

please retire. playd so so many games. never bin indrury. bin helped by leaque headquarters or whatever wuth this. lots lots years and team having PP subscription in games. how else this explained? and to this greyhere standing parked infront of opponent goal whole PPs. having not enjoyed spevial candy like this he not scoring 830. he not great goalscorer he only playd so so many games and not so special 50goal sesson only from special treatment. still not scoring never 70 80 or 90goalseason. saying all. please retire. please dont go for 1000. any boty would do 1000 with this special treatments and playing forever. show respect an retire

sir avgard hockeyprofesdor

 

[ozhenson]

please retire. playd so so many games. never bin indrury. bin helped by leaque headquarters or whatever wuth this. lots lots years and team having PP subscription in games. how else this explained? and to this greyhere standing parked infront of opponent goal whole PPs. having not enjoyed spevial candy like this he not scoring 830. he not great goalscorer he only playd so so many games and not so special 50goal sesson only from special treatment. still not scoring never 70 80 or 90goalseason. saying all. please retire. please dont go for 1000. any boty would do 1000 with this special treatments and playing forever. show respect an retire

sir avgard hockeyprofesdor

What on earth is this? Your keyboard is broken or you're the worst writer I've ever seen. Oooooof

 

[Fatass]

Has anybody ever calculated how many of Ovie's goals were from his "office"?

I think Ovie is great, but to me, the best goal scorer is the one that can score from anywhere, anytime. Not just one spot on the powerplay.

And history shows us that Ovie will be the best goal scorer for about 15ish years, then people will just start to forget about him, and the number of goals will be more important than how he actually played.

OV is (was now) a great goal scorer. But imo his ability to play heavy and physical stands out too. At his peak he was a physical beast.

 

[lokomotiv15]

What on earth is this? Your keyboard is broken or you're the worst writer I've ever seen. Oooooof

Is it really that much worse than what 70% of posters throw on here these days?

 

[ozhenson]

Is it really that much worse than what 70% of posters throw on here these days?

Fair, but in those cases it's opinions that hurt my brain. This person could just hit that spell check button and nobody would know he's barely literate.

 

[Phil Kessels Hot Dog]

Fair, but in those cases it's opinions that hurt my brain. This person could just hit that spell check button and nobody would know he's barely literate.

Calm down there Hemingway. Go ahead and make your next post in Finnish and show us all how literate you are.

 

[wetcoast]

Fans: Ovechkin is going to pass 99 to become the greatest goal scorer of all time
Reality: he might not make it
Fans: it doesn't matter if he passes 99 he's still the greatest


pathetic

Is it though and by fans who exactly are you taking about anyways?

It seems that people are so obsessed by numbers that they can't actually make independent evaluations or something?

The people declaring Ovi "Done" is in for a lot of crow when he goes on a tear.

We have been hearing this all season...at some point the sample becomes too big to ignore.

 

[YippieKaey]

Has anybody ever calculated how many of Ovie's goals were from his "office"?

I think Ovie is great, but to me, the best goal scorer is the one that can score from anywhere, anytime. Not just one spot on the powerplay.

And history shows us that Ovie will be the best goal scorer for about 15ish years, then people will just start to forget about him, and the number of goals will be more important than how he actually played.

Look at clips from when he was younger, he was a lightning fast, great skating 235 lbs wrecking ball who scored highlight goals and pretty much never injured. Also a great playmaker. If he was Canadian the adoration would be insane.

He is not better overall than Crosby but he never was a one dimensional player. Just ask Braydon Coburn or Andrei Svechnikov.

 

[wetcoast]

How many goals do you estimate he lost out on and how does it compare to other players who hit posts and get goals called back?

This is just gasping at straws the posts/crossbar results are available and AM has hit 9 posts and 4 crossbars Ovi has hit 3 and 1 so if we take that into account for everyone he still would be having a miserable season.

65 players have hit 4 posts or more
43 players have hit the crossbar 2 or more times.

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How does that explain both parts? The stat the user brought up is per 60 minutes, not total. It makes no difference whether a player played 10 or 30 minutes on a line, it's completely irrelevant. Also, Ovechkin has played double the minutes with Kuznetsov than Strome at 5on5 (328 vs 166). That type of split in usage is normal across most teams lines

 

[YippieKaey]

Fair, but in those cases it's opinions that hurt my brain. This person could just hit that spell check button and nobody would know he's barely literate.

He speaks more languages than you do though.

 

[wetcoast]

Uhhhhh…..I think you’ll find plenty.

Even if you find plenty, ie people preferring Gretzky or Mario reasonable hockey people would have Ovi among the 3 best goal scorers of all time or else they are just being the mirror of MJ right?

 

[ozhenson]

He speaks more languages than you do though.

English isn't my first language either. Technology makes it pretty easy to make it understandable.

 

[Wondercarrot]

This is just silly. Ovechkin is already the best goal scorer of all-time, record or not. You won’t find too many people that disagree with this statement.

Wayne Gretzky is the greatest goal scorer of all-time.

 

[wetcoast]

Is it really that much worse than what 70% of posters throw on here these days?

Wat er u tacoing bout?

 

[jigglysquishy]

Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all time, but he took that title from Bobby Hull, not Gretzky.

Gretzky peaked in the highest scoring era. If you make any reasonable form of adjustment, he's still a top 5 goal scorer ever, maybe as high as 3. And as a playmaker he's two tiers above anyone.

Ovechkin lead the league in goals 9 times.
Hull, 7 times.
Gretzky, 5 times.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

the analogy actually isn’t too bad. If you average out for games played, Hull is about 27-28% higher and Ovechkin is about 28-29% higher than Crosby. But honestly I’m not sure who really cares about this. Suggesting, when careers are over, that Ovechkin was the better goal scorer than Crosby should not be at all controversial, while at the same time, suggesting Crosby was the better overall player should also not be at all controversial.

There may be a few die hard Ovi’s fans that argue this and no Crosby fans arguing he’s a better goal scorer, but neither are controversial

There was a time about 2 - 3 year ago that you could extrapolate both player couple last seasons and have a case to compare both player careers, Crosby seemed to slow down and Ovi looked like he would bring a lot more to the table later on.

It haven't happened and there not a lot of chances that both can be seen equals once everything is over. And I say that as someone that think Crosby is a bit overrated.

 

[Toby91ca]

“I can’t predict how long it will take me to break Gretzky’s record,” Ovechkin said, as translated via Google Translate. “God sees everything. I can’t assess whether it will be possible to take a swing at Gretzky’s record for goals in the regular season and the playoffs. Life will show. Let’s see if I feel good. Let’s see.

Do you know the timing of this quote? When I read it, seems to suggest he would simply play as long as it takes to beat it (i.e. "can't predict how long it will take" - basically suggest he will beat it, just doesn't know when.) When I read on, the question mark only seems to be around whether he'd break the regular season + playoff goals number. Not that any of this matters, just curious. I do wonder though....if things don't turn around, will he actually keep playing year after year just to break it?

 

[jcs0218]

Do you know the timing of this quote? When I read it, seems to suggest he would simply play as long as it takes to beat it (i.e. "can't predict how long it will take" - basically suggest he will beat it, just doesn't know when.) When I read on, the question mark only seems to be around whether he'd break the regular season + playoff goals number. Not that any of this matters, just curious. I do wonder though....if things don't turn around, will he actually keep playing year after year just to break it?

I think Ovechkin will definitely keep playing year after year until he breaks the record. He will keep playing as long as it takes.

Let's be honest here: How big of an ego do you think Ovechkin has as it relates to his goal-scoring abilities?

Next: Do you think someone with that huge of a goal-scoring ego would retire when he is only 50 goals or less away from catching Gretzky?

Ovechkin doesn't seem like the type of guy who would tolerate finishing 2nd in goal-scoring, especially when finishing 1st is within possibility.

He will keep playing as long as it takes to break the record.

 

[Toby91ca]

I think Ovechkin will definitely keep playing year after year until he breaks the record. He will keep playing as long as it takes.

Let's be honest here: How big of an ego do you think Ovechkin has as it relates to his goal-scoring abilities?

Next: Do you think someone with that huge of a goal-scoring ego would retire when he is only 50 goals or less away from catching Gretzky?

Ovechkin doesn't seem like the type of guy who would tolerate finishing 2nd in goal-scoring, especially when finishing 1st is within possibility.

He will keep playing as long as it takes to break the record.

I have no idea whatsoever what type of goal scoring ego he may have....I've never met the guy, don't know him. Just because he has all those goals doesn't mean he has an ego about it and must keep playing. I can use Gretzky as an example, although, with him, I have met him and 100% know he doesn't have an ego. Ovechkin is already playing a year longer than Gretzky did. Gretzky could still compete for sure if he wanted to....he was only 6 goals away from 900....he could have easily played another year to get that.

So, yeah, I guess it goes back to whether he has an ego about it or not and I really don't know. Then it will come down to whether the Caps, or another team, will keep signing him to allow him to play (which is what a lot of people may bring up and complain about).....on that point that, regardless of whether I or anyone else thinks he's still able to help the team, I think most would conclude he has earned the right to keep playing if he wants to. Most players who had earned that type of right don't tend to get to the point where the team really doesn't want you around though....if they do, not sure if they decide to go or the team. Jagr for example, not sure....his 2nd last season was ok, certainly worthy of a roster spot and then he was clearly done the next year...but did the team help him make that decision? Chelios is the closest I can think of where the team really was trying to show him it was time.