Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

[HabsCode]

Is he at 10 yet? Asking for a friend.

26 in 39 right now.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

26 in 39 right now.

Cool. I haven't been following the Caps too close. Pulling for him.

 

[DVX]

Just checked, he has 8 goals in 39 games. He’s so done and time is not in his side

 

[Acallabeth]

Just checked, he has 8 goals in 39 games. He’s so done and time is not in his side

He leads the Caps in points and is on a 6-game point streak despite playing through an injury. Done?

 

[Dessloch]

This is allegedly the reason Ovi sat out last nights but is supposed to travel to NY for tonights game.

 

[george14]

He leads the Caps in points and is on a 6-game point streak despite playing through an injury. Done?

He’s not done and is leading an offensively challenged team in points, but that isn’t exactly a bragging point. He’s on pace for 4G and 22P in 5on5 for the season. 8G his last 44GP while getting top line minutes + elite PP TOI, means he is probably close to being done. That’s essentially a 4th liners production if given those minutes.

 

[blundluntman]

Cool. I haven't been following the Caps too close. Pulling for him.

By 26 he means 26 points. He has 8 goals in 39 games

 

[wetcoast]

This year a 5v5 the OIlers score at the exact same rate with McDavid on the ice than the Penguins do with Crosby on the ice.

Guentzel would have his word to say about that, but still really impressive.

It is not like Ovechkin 36 years old season was not extremelly impressive, seem a case of too soon to tell, Crosby could end up doing has well (his on pace to do so), but could easily not.

I think MJ is desperately hoping that Crosby falters ever so slightly so that Ovi can be the 36 year old champion as at age 38 it looks like Crosby is going to smoke Ovechkin and his 8 goals and someone will post MJ style that Crosby scored 250% more goals that age year..........

I can only hope the current Bedard/Faber pissing match will be as good eh?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Safe to say the Crosby/Ovechkin debate is officially over. Crosby is going to continue to widen the gap career wise between the two.

Hell of a run by both players! Wish we had a rivalry of the same calibre in the current league.

 

[wetcoast]

Crosby has never deserved a single Selke vote in his entire career and it will once again be a joke if Sid gets any Selke consideration this season.

Sidney Crosby is the 4th WORST player among regular Penguins players in terms of 5v5 goals against per 60:

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Sidney Crosby is just not a good defensive player, and that is not debatable.

Man your crusade here is laughable as people do watch games were Crosby actually does skate by his goalie quite often

Crosby doesn't kill penalties. Crosby has an offensive zone start percentage of 73%. -That is quite high. Crosby doesn't shut anyone down. He's a last guy back / first guy out type of player.

Ovi never kills penalties either and their ESGF/ESGA ratios favor Crosby bigtime.

The 73% is ironic as last 4 years Ovi has has average 80%

If anyone on the Penguins deserves Selke consideration it's Lars Eller who is doing the actual
defensive heavy lifting (24% offensive zone starts, and a 1.61 GA/60 - which is MASSIVELY better than Crosby's 2.63, and 2:20 minutes of PK per game to Crosby's whopping 6 seconds - which is really just Sid hopping over the boards after the real penalty killers get the final clear).

Sure one can go find stats like that but voters for Selke tend to vote for higher scoring centers and the difference here is the defensive game between Crosby and Ovi and all NHL coaches and GMs would take Crosby's defensive game over Ovi plain and simple.

Ovechkin is -11 this year Crosby is +17 which shows how big their actual impact difference is and Crosby has that impact.

But we all know that you only care about goals so you obviously think Crosby is better than Ovi this year right?

 

[max21]

Safe to say the Crosby/Ovechkin debate is officially over. Crosby is going to continue to widen the gap career wise between the two.

Hell of a run by both players! Wish we had a rivalry of the same calibre in the current league.

“Rent free”

 

[Acallabeth]

He’s not done and is leading an offensively challenged team in points, but that isn’t exactly a bragging point. He’s on pace for 4G and 22P in 5on5 for the season. 8G his last 44GP while getting top line minutes + elite PP TOI, means he is probably close to being done. That’s essentially a 4th liners production if given those minutes.

Meh, Ovechkin only plays 19:23 a game, and the Caps' PP is one of the worst in the league.

Whatever, eye test doesn't confirm that AO is much worse this season than he was the last two (during which he averaged 46 goals). But the team overall struggles a lot with nearly everyone's production going down (which may or may not be explained by a new coach), and the Caps have very few players who can set Ovechkin up now, with Backstrom basically retiring and Kuznetsov playing like trash. Guess who has a comfortable team lead in primary assists

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Ovechkin missing games now too not a good sign.

But I wish people would stop jumping the gun when it comes to washed up talk

 

[wetcoast]

Why does Sid continue winning this? I mean we're well past a decade of Sid leading this category. I guess players are just simps and racists against Far east Euro's?

Why do players and so many analysts say this if it's a load of rubbish?

@Midnight Judges

Obviously they only let Canadian players and Pittsburg ones vote eh.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Halfway through the year and we are at 8 goals. It will be tougher in the 2nd half, the opposition will be looking for playoff points. The Muscovite machine may be broken, that injury could be the knee. Kuzy got tangled up with Staal and he fell into OV.

 

[Fordy]

if ovechkin starts racking up injuries and misses the record because of it, that would be f***ing terrible

 

[RebuildinVan]

He's at 3500+ career hits and played the game like a wrecking ball most of his career. The fact his body has held out this long is impressive

 

[wetcoast]

Crosby is currently 24th in points and 8th in goals. On pace for 49 goals and 88 points if he plays all 82 games. Crosby has a PPG of 1.08 and a GPG of .60.

Ovechkin had 50 goals and 90 points in 77 games played. He was 16th in points and 4th in goals. Had a PPG of 1.17 and a GPG of .65.

So yes, Ovechkin was better at age 36 than Crosby has been pacing this season.

So are we using pace all the time now or just when it suits your narrative?

 

[Fordy]

So are we using pace all the time now or just when it suits your narrative?

that .05 goals per game is the most important statistic of modern hockey, they're building a wing in the hall of fame dedicated to it. when you're the best goal scorer of all time you just leave the competition in the dust like that

 

[wetcoast]

People will be talking about Ovechkin having more MVPs and a whopping 50% more goals in the same number of seasons.

If you mean yourself and a handful of other people, no one is going to talk about number of seasons and not look at GP and the whole picture but since you brought it up Crosby has 200% more goals than Ovi this season.

And for the record Malkin has assisted on 5 of his 6 PPG and zero of his ESG since that seems to be part of the limited view angle MJ currently.

that .05 goals per game is the most important statistic of modern hockey, they're building a wing in the hall of fame dedicated to it. when you're the best goal scorer of all time you just leave the competition in the dust like that

I think it will be in the .05 GPG and the best player ever in the top 20 with the worst supporting second player title.

Like it means anything at all overall.

Of the top 20 players of all time, Ovechkin has the weakest second best player on the team.

 

[george14]

Midnight Judges really is impressive. He manages to warp reality in every single way that favors Ovi. In 2024, imagine not being able to acknowledge the following:

“Both guys are legends and will rank in the top 25 players ever, perhaps top 10. Ovechkin is the better goal scorer while Crosby is the better overall player.”

I can’t imagine more than 5% of people disagree with this.

 

[wetcoast]

if ovechkin starts racking up injuries and misses the record because of it, that would be f***ing terrible

I'm sure MJ will remind us that staying healthy is a skill.......

 

[Hank Plank]

#8 looks fragile.

 

[McPoyle]

He leads the Caps in points and is on a 6-game point streak despite playing through an injury. Done?

Leading one of the worst offensive teams in the league in points with a blistering 0.21 gpg and 0.69 ppg pace isn't that impressive.

 

[george14]

People will be talking about Ovechkin having more MVPs and a whopping 50% more goals in the same number of seasons.

Just like how people talk about Brett Hull having more MVPs and goals than Yzerman, despite playing 250 fewer games.

Oh wait they don’t. No one does. As Yzerman was clearly the superior player despite scoring fewer goals (at a much lower pace) and didn’t win an MVP.