Painful to think that fleurys best year wasn’t 2008. 2012 vs the flyers, we putting this all on fleury that nobody played defense? Ridiculous.
Terrible take.
Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?
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One thing that I've always admired about Caps fans is how quickly they either prop up or tear down their team when the topic is OV vs Sid or Caps vs Pens. They'll go from talking about how Backstrom is the best passer ever in one thread to saying that OV has never had a good linemate to play with in another. It's quite amazing.
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at the end of the day i hope ovechkin breaks the record sooner rather than later, he absolutely deserves it and he's the best goal scorer of all time. they'll be the last generation of true greats before sports as a whole turned into whatever it's going towards now. they dealt with the worst the league had to offer and never complained
but crosby is and will always be the best player of that generation. the idea that people will suddenly be convinced in 20 years by arguments like "ovechkin had .05 more goals per game when they were both 36" and "he got injured less" when no one even cares about that now, is laughable cope. everyone knows the truth, and no one is shy to say it. there'll be 50 more topics, niche aspects to his game, to discuss about crosby before people start caring about stuff like that. honestly, half the stuff you guys bring up to try to bring him down even a little bit, just adds to his legend
it's been literally 15 years of the same stuff from the same posters on this board, and all that happens is each passing year more and more players, fans, and hockey minds come to the same exact conclusion about who deserves that title. it's not gonna get better for ovechkin as time goes on folks. when these guys were running the world, of course i hated ovechkin and wanted to see him lose every single time. but there's no reason to still be THIS bitter now, they all more than delivered on what we hoped for them. these guys are going to be 40 in a blink and people are still acting like this?
but crosby is and will always be the best player of that generation. the idea that people will suddenly be convinced in 20 years by arguments like "ovechkin had .05 more goals per game when they were both 36" and "he got injured less" when no one even cares about that now, is laughable cope. everyone knows the truth, and no one is shy to say it. there'll be 50 more topics, niche aspects to his game, to discuss about crosby before people start caring about stuff like that. honestly, half the stuff you guys bring up to try to bring him down even a little bit, just adds to his legend
it's been literally 15 years of the same stuff from the same posters on this board, and all that happens is each passing year more and more players, fans, and hockey minds come to the same exact conclusion about who deserves that title. it's not gonna get better for ovechkin as time goes on folks. when these guys were running the world, of course i hated ovechkin and wanted to see him lose every single time. but there's no reason to still be THIS bitter now, they all more than delivered on what we hoped for them. these guys are going to be 40 in a blink and people are still acting like this?
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No, that's not similar to Semin. Nobody is debating if Alex Semin is a Hall of famer.
Will Kris Letang make the HOF?
I've never really seen much discussion about his career and all time standing. Do you think he will make the Hall of Fame when it's all said and done?
You should quote whomever said that. You know, instead of blatantly making things up.
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Just going from memory - MAF was absolutely BRUTAL in those series allowing goals that just CAN'T go in. Was their contribution from bad D? Probably, but my memory has MAF just crapping the bed in worse fashion than any play-off goalie performance over the last 30 years.
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“I can’t predict how long it will take me to break Gretzky’s record,” Ovechkin said, as translated via Google Translate. “God sees everything. I can’t assess whether it will be possible to take a swing at Gretzky’s record for goals in the regular season and the playoffs. Life will show. Let’s see if I feel good. Let’s see.
“In every interview I’ve given over the past two years, someone is sure to ask about the record. Of course, I would like to do this. I once said that it is unrealistic. I still doubt that this is possible, but I will do my best to get close to this figure. Gretzky sincerely believes in me and expects this to happen. I think all the fans want it because it’s history. To be in this race is worth a lot.”
Ovi has regularly hedged his bets when asked about the record, so this is well within the norm. “You still have chances, man,” Ovechkin said in May of 2021. “You just have to go out there and do your thing. Maybe it will happen, maybe not. One step at a time.”
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Ovi has always been a realistic about it. Heard him say a few weeks ago that Gretzky is the greatest and being second to Gretzky would be amazing result and end
“In every interview I’ve given over the past two years, someone is sure to ask about the record. Of course, I would like to do this. I once said that it is unrealistic. I still doubt that this is possible, but I will do my best to get close to this figure. Gretzky sincerely believes in me and expects this to happen. I think all the fans want it because it’s history. To be in this race is worth a lot.”
Ovi has regularly hedged his bets when asked about the record, so this is well within the norm. “You still have chances, man,” Ovechkin said in May of 2021. “You just have to go out there and do your thing. Maybe it will happen, maybe not. One step at a time.”
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Ovi has always been a realistic about it. Heard him say a few weeks ago that Gretzky is the greatest and being second to Gretzky would be amazing result and end
Fleury in 2012 in the 1st round against the Flyers was the worst goaltending series I have ever seen a goaltender play.
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Always laugh when ovies extra hart is brought up considering it was won in a season where they were tied in points with crosby playing 13 less games
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well stats like that only matter when it's ovechkin having .05 more goals per game than crosby 2 years ago
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Those 5 look to be amongst the greatest playoff players ever
Makar 29 pts in 20 games dominant smythe run. No one controls the puck like he does
Mackinnon 100 pts in 77 games tracking similar to crosby
Kucherov 160 pts in 142 cups and has 2 cups+ 4 finals. Has like 4/5 smythe level runs similar to crosby
Mcdavif and Draisaitl have 4th and 5th I think highest ppg in playoffs history for minimum 50 games played
Crosby was probably similar level after 2018 but hasnt been all that great since then.
These 5 are capable of passing him playoffs wise by end of their careers
Are you unaware how much scoring levels have changed since the primes of Crosby and Malkin?
Like Crosby and Malkin were 4th and 5th at one point too I believe.
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Kucherov dominated dead puck era 2.0
Look at 2015, 2016, and 2018 playoff runs.
Mcdavid had 33 pts in 16 games. That level dominance isnt era based. Its mcdavid being a class above crosby based
Those performances for Kucherov are good, but far from historic, especially since the guy plays zero defense. You claimed McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Makar, and Kucherov were all better playoff performers than Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin.
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Mack has a cup and 100 pts in 77 games, pretty hard to see him not finishing ahead of Malkin and OV for ppg
Kuch has 160 in 142, he is already ahead of those two. His peak+prime+consistency is absurd come playoffs.
Makar I guess was a hyperbole, he has more to prove as he doesnt have a large sample size
MCdavid + Draisaitl dominate the playoffs like no one really
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If I had anyone here guess the subject of this thread, none of you would get it even if I gave you each ten tries.
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Yes, this is completely true and I'm sure Pens fans have never made any such argument about Sid. Sarcasm aside, generalizing the statements of a few fans to an entire fan base is never a good thing, no matter which side it is. It's tribalism at it's worst. If your argument is based on tearing down the other side, you don't have much of an argument (I'm pointing fingers at both sides).
Now that these guys are in the twilight of their careers, maybe it's time we start appreciating what they've accomplished and what they've meant to their fans and the league. I'm a Caps fan, and I've thoroughly enjoyed the Sid/Ovie Pens/Caps rivalry. They made it fun for us fans, and the NHL has not been able to duplicate that kind of rivalry in the modern era.
I've rooted against Crosby, but that doesn't blind me to his accomplishments and what an amazing player he has been. The 2 of them have had an immeasurable impact on their cities and will go down as some of the greatest to ever play the game. It will be a sad day for all of us when they finally hang up the skates.
My take on Ovie is that time catches up to everyone but… Ovie has earned the benefit of the doubt that he gets to have a down season and see if he has the will/desire to double down in the offseason and come back looking better next year. If he has another year like this one, than I’m ready to start talking about age and retirement but for now, even if he has his worst season, I can’t write off his potential to change his routine this summer and have a mini-bounce back next year.
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And has a chance of playing already tomorrow according to the Caps org, so should just be a minor blip on the radar!
The All Star break for WSH is 13 days away, they could opt to let Ovi sit out til then and give him 3 full weeks to completely recover from whatever it is thats been bothering him.
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