Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

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Old Gregg

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"Washed" players don't lead their team in points. (Nevermind that he had 42 goals last season and 50 the year before).

I realize you didn't create this hot take and you are just parroting someone else but just know that it's gibberish.

And here's your "selfish" player. Again, not something you invented so don't take it too hard, but whomever you are parroting here has led you down a pretty bad path.


One give and go is all it takes to no longer be considered selfish? Cool.

Seriously tho...I know he has scored a lot in the last few years but age is catching up quickly and some players slow faster than others. He is on pace for under 20 this year and is only getting older. Unless he starts taking his offseasons more seriously I am not sure he will break the record
 

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One give and go is all it takes to no longer be considered selfish? Cool.

Being top 40 all time in adjusted assists ought to do that, but hey don't let reality get in the way of your falsehoods. You do you.

Ovechkin has never been a selfish player. Although surely people in Pittsburgh will reach for anything to try and slander him.

Unless he starts taking his offseasons more seriously I am not sure he will break the record

Oh hey look it's the 4,000th blatant falsehood in this thread.

Ovie has been one of the most durable and reliable players in all of hockey history. Ovechkin's age 36 season was superior to how Crosby has played this season (at age 36). Perhaps Ovie should teach Sid how to train better.
 

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Being top 40 all time in adjusted assists ought to do that, but hey don't let reality get in the way of your falsehoods. You do you.

Ovechkin has never been a selfish player. Although surely people in Pittsburgh will reach for anything to try and slander him.



Oh hey look it's the 4,000th blatant falsehood in this thread.

Ovie has been one of the most durable and reliable players in all of hockey history. Ovechkin's age 36 season was superior to how Crosby has played this season (at age 36). Perhaps Ovie should teach Sid how to train better.

Does sponsorships allow you to continue to post on this forum, routinely breaking rules, yet seemingly avoiding infractions for flaming and inciting nonsense.

Crosby's age 36 season is absolutely more impressive when you consider he's pacing to push 50 goals and 90 points (just like Ovi did), is among the league leaders in faceoff % (something Ovi has never had to do. fact), even strength goals, and is going to finish top 5 in Selke voting with plenty of talk about him being a finalist, something Ovechkin has never cared about or been recognized for (defensive play). Crosby has continually evolved his game to be a complete player. This is readily said by his peers, coaches and analysts.

Many reputable folks in the league call Crosby the most complete player. His work ethic is unmatched, again propped up by the words of many. Have for years. Nobody says that about Ovechkin. NOBODY. I guess those are all just Crosby simps and North American racists.

Ovechkin has 8 goals in 39 games. If that isn't falling off a cliff year over year, I don't know what to tell you. 50, 42, 8 (pacing for 17). Joe Pavelski at 39 has been vastly more impressive.

Let's do that again. 50. 42. 8. That's a dude literally running along the edge and deciding to fling himself off. Or maybe father time is just calling in a payment.

He's a -11, with 27 points in 36 games. He's taken 290 total shot attempts with 8 going in, only 6 of which have happened with a goalie in net. That's shit. 2.8% true shooting %. S.H.I.T.

Ovi will hang around until he's 40/41 to break the record, needing thousands more shots (not even including missed shots, further bringing down his accuracy which is already weak relative to every other all time great goal scorer) and hundreds more game than Gretzky to do so. Yawn.

One of my favorite Ovi stat is he's been past the 2nd round of the playoffs ONCE in nearly 2 decades on a top 5-10 team in the league, year after year. And the 1 year he did manage to win it all, was the year the Pens were gassed from winning back to back Cups, and the Caps beat an expansion team, in 6 games in the finals. There have been few weaker Cup runs in the history of the game.
 

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This year a 5v5 the OIlers score at the exact same rate with McDavid on the ice than the Penguins do with Crosby on the ice.

Guentzel would have his word to say about that, but still really impressive.

It is not like Ovechkin 36 years old season was not extremelly impressive, seem a case of too soon to tell, Crosby could end up doing has well (his on pace to do so), but could easily not.
 
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He is on pace for 17 goals. If he has a good couple offseasons he still might break the record. If he keeps current pace he needs two 28 goal seasons to do it. It was a fait accompli. Now it is still a good chance but not a slam dunk.
 

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Crosby's age 36 season is absolutely more impressive when you consider he's pacing to push 50 goals and 90 points (just like Ovi did), is among the league leaders in faceoff % (something Ovi has never had to do. fact), even strength goals, and is going to finish top 5 in Selke voting...

Crosby has never deserved a single Selke vote in his entire career and it will once again be a joke if Sid gets any Selke consideration this season.

Sidney Crosby is the 4th WORST player among regular Penguins players in terms of 5v5 goals against per 60:


Sidney Crosby is just not a good defensive player, and that is not debatable.

Crosby doesn't kill penalties. Crosby has an offensive zone start percentage of 73%. -That is quite high. Crosby doesn't shut anyone down. He's a last guy back / first guy out type of player.

If anyone on the Penguins deserves Selke consideration it's Lars Eller who is doing the actual
defensive heavy lifting (24% offensive zone starts, and a 1.61 GA/60 - which is MASSIVELY better than Crosby's 2.63, and 2:20 minutes of PK per game to Crosby's whopping 6 seconds - which is really just Sid hopping over the boards after the real penalty killers get the final clear).
 
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One of my favorite Ovi stat is he's been past the 2nd round of the playoffs ONCE in nearly 2 decades on a top 5-10 team in the league, year after year. And the 1 year he did manage to win it all, was the year the Pens were gassed from winning back to back Cups, and the Caps beat an expansion team, in 6 games in the finals. There have been few weaker Cup runs in the history of the game.

So much irrelevant emotion packed into 1 post.

Vegas was 12-3 against the west that year in the playoffs. They were not a fluke - as evidenced by all their subsequent success. And the Caps won in 5 games, not 6.

How many times has Crosby made it past the second round without Malkin? Oh yeah. Never.
 
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Sidney Crosby is just not a good defensive player, and that is not debatable.
For a high offensive creating forward, kind of:


last 3 seasons, forward with at least 2200 minutes of 5v5, for the top 100 with more goal being scored by 60, the average goals against by 60 was of 2.67, Crosby 2.33 was in the best 20 of those.

If you look at the name that were on more goal for or close too but had less goals against them, it will be the Tkachuck with that special flames seasos, Barkov, Pastrnak-Marchand on the perfection line and not by that much.

He should not be in the Barkov-Kopitar-Bergeron conversation (and do not seem to be either), but he is ok to be on the not bad defensively, even good for a big scorer type.
 

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So much irrelevant emotion packed into 1 post.

Vegas was 12-3 against the west that year in the playoffs. They were not a fluke - as evidenced by all their subsequent success. And the Caps won in 5 games, not 6.

How many times has Crosby made it past the second round without Malkin? Oh yeah. Never.
How many times has crosby played a playoff series without Malkin?

2006 was the only year Malkin wasnt there and Pens sucked that year in 87s rookie year

2011 both 87 and 71 miss the playoffs

Can't think of any other full playoff series. 2016 malkin misswd some games but not to many

OV hasnt won a playiff series without backstrom right? That shouldn't be faulted against him

Caps sucked in 2006 and 2007 before Backstrom made the NHL
 

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Crosby has never deserved a single Selke vote in his entire career and it will once again be a joke if Sid gets any Selke consideration this season.

Sidney Crosby is the 4th WORST player among regular Penguins players in terms of 5v5 goals against per 60:


Sidney Crosby is just not a good defensive player, and that is not debatable.

Crosby doesn't kill penalties. Crosby has an offensive zone start percentage of 73%. -That is quite high. Crosby doesn't shut anyone down. He's a last guy back / first guy out type of player.

If anyone on the Penguins deserves Selke consideration it's Lars Eller who is doing the actual
defensive heavy lifting (24% offensive zone starts, and a 1.61 GA/60 - which is MASSIVELY better than Crosby's 2.63, and 2:20 minutes of PK per game to Crosby's whopping 6 seconds - which is really just Sid hopping over the boards after the real penalty killers get the final clear).
“A lot of the attention is on the younger guys, but if you look at the details of the game, and full 200 feet, he’s by far the best player in the League.” - Brad Marchand

As always, you are embarrassing yourself with your blind hatred of Crosby.
 

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Wonder if there’s another Backstrom out there for Ovie? (
and will the Capitals pay (in assets) to ensure Ovechkin breaks the goal record, I think yes. Even if the team looks cellar bound.

Can they Time Machine bring back Thornton’s prime?
 

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Being top 40 all time in adjusted assists ought to do that, but hey don't let reality get in the way of your falsehoods. You do you.

Ovechkin has never been a selfish player. Although surely people in Pittsburgh will reach for anything to try and slander him.



Oh hey look it's the 4,000th blatant falsehood in this thread.

Ovie has been one of the most durable and reliable players in all of hockey history. Ovechkin's age 36 season was superior to how Crosby has played this season (at age 36). Perhaps Ovie should teach Sid how to train better.
You pay for Twitter/X as well, don't you?
 

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“A lot of the attention is on the younger guys, but if you look at the details of the game, and full 200 feet, he’s by far the best player in the League.” - Brad Marchand

As always, you are embarrassing yourself with your blind hatred of Crosby.

Cool. I'll bring data and facts and you can bring emotional outbursts and a quote from Sid's rat buddy.

4th worst on his own team defensively:

 
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Ovi will hang around until he's 40/41 to break the record, needing thousands more shots (not even including missed shots, further bringing down his accuracy which is already weak relative to every other all time great goal scorer) and hundreds more game than Gretzky to do so. Yawn.
Do people think Gretzky retired in his prime?

Love the idea of not resigning a player that contributed ~ 20g, 20a, 40p for reasonable money because ‘he was better in his prime’

If you think people will say ‘well he broke the record as a role player, not impressive, yawn’ if he ends up passing Gretzky, you’re off on this one.
 
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How many times has crosby played a playoff series without Malkin?

2006 was the only year Malkin wasnt there and Pens sucked that year in 87s rookie year

2011 both 87 and 71 miss the playoffs

Can't think of any other full playoff series. 2016 malkin misswd some games but not to many

OV hasnt won a playiff series without backstrom right? That shouldn't be faulted against him

Caps sucked in 2006 and 2007 before Backstrom made the NHL

Nick Backstrom might be a top 200 player of all time.

Malkin might be top 30.
 
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Cool. I'll bring data and facts and you can bring emotional outbursts and a quote from Sid's rat buddy.

4th worst on his own team defensively:

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Cool. I'll bring data and facts and you can bring emotional outbursts and a quote from Sid's rat buddy.

4th worst on his own team defensively:

You are citing imperfect stats that don’t measure up 1-1 on defensive evaluation, but want to throw opinions from hockey experts out the window? The armchair GMs on this board seem to be multiplying.
 

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Crosby has never deserved a single Selke vote in his entire career and it will once again be a joke if Sid gets any Selke consideration this season.

Sidney Crosby is the 4th WORST player among regular Penguins players in terms of 5v5 goals against per 60:


Sidney Crosby is just not a good defensive player, and that is not debatable.

Crosby doesn't kill penalties. Crosby has an offensive zone start percentage of 73%. -That is quite high. Crosby doesn't shut anyone down. He's a last guy back / first guy out type of player.

If anyone on the Penguins deserves Selke consideration it's Lars Eller who is doing the actual
defensive heavy lifting (24% offensive zone starts, and a 1.61 GA/60 - which is MASSIVELY better than Crosby's 2.63, and 2:20 minutes of PK per game to Crosby's whopping 6 seconds - which is really just Sid hopping over the boards after the real penalty killers get the final clear).

“A lot of the attention is on the younger guys, but if you look at the details of the game, and full 200 feet, he’s by far the best player in the League.” - Brad Marchand

As always, you are embarrassing yourself with your blind hatred of Crosby.

While I don’t disagree with some of the facts posted, context is important. To say Crosby is “not a good player defensively”, using primary factors like offensive zone starts and PK TOI to come to that conclusion, lacks some sense. Pittsburgh have have been very successful because they have had other players who have been able to fill those roles and allow Crosby to optimize other strengths in best interests of the team. I do feel Crosby’s defensive game is a bit over stated by some but he is an above average defensive player for certain.

I have rarely stuck my nose in the Crosby/Ovechkin debate because I really like both players equally, they are both amazing. That being said, if you would have polled all NHL GMs, at any point in the careers of these 2 greats as to who is the more valued/better player, my guess is Crosby is their choice 99 times out of 100.
 

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Cool. I'll bring data and facts and you can bring emotional outbursts and a quote from Sid's rat buddy.

4th worst on his own team defensively:

You want straight stats? Ovechkin is the 283rd best shooter all time.


Most would understand that an NHL veteran would have a better idea of level of play than a stat watcher except, I guess, stat watchers....
 

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Being top 40 all time in adjusted assists ought to do that, but hey don't let reality get in the way of your falsehoods. You do you.

Ovechkin has never been a selfish player. Although surely people in Pittsburgh will reach for anything to try and slander him.



Oh hey look it's the 4,000th blatant falsehood in this thread.

Ovie has been one of the most durable and reliable players in all of hockey history. Ovechkin's age 36 season was superior to how Crosby has played this season (at age 36). Perhaps Ovie should teach Sid how to train better.
He's quite durable because outside of the hits HE initiates he rarely gets hit or physical because his teammates are the ones doing the heavy lifting along the boards. Durability also doesn't mean he trains a ton in the offseason. Are you saying that Phil Kessel is the best offseason training athlete in NHL history? He holds the consecutive games streak which shows how durable he is.
 
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You are citing imperfect stats that don’t measure up 1-1 on defensive evaluation, but want to throw opinions from hockey experts out the window? The armchair GMs on this board seem to be multiplying.

The rat isn't a hockey expert doing expert analysis. He's Crosby's friend saying nice things at the end of Sid's career.

Anyway, no stat is perfect but combining goals against with deployments and PK time is a decent set of measures for a player's defensive contributions, and every player who deserves Selke votes is going to stack up better than Sidney Crosby in this regard.
 
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