Who is more dominant in their sport: Ohtani, McDavid or Mahomes?

[Cas]

I understand it has been 100 years since a player was this good of a pitcher and hitter, but Babe Ruth existed. Was a top 5 pitcher and well we all know about his hitting.

It really doesn't matter that Ruth or Ohtani were both pitchers and hitters, just how much value they created while doing them.

Ruth would be #1 had he never pitched.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Huh? Haaland has been reliably above goal per game in the Champions League ever since playing for the Austrian minnows Salzburg as a teenager. In fact scored a hat trick in his very first Champions League match followed by four more goals in the three following fixtures, all against Liverpool and Napoli against whom Salzburg were very much not stacked. That's what got him the transfer to Dortmund and ultimately Manchester City after he had repeated the same in Germany for three years and now also in the Premier League. Current age 22. Just so for comparison, Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo put together had 33 Champions League goals in 78 games at that age. Haaland has 35 in 30.

Besides even those tap-ins are frequently completely ridiculous.

I’m not saying he’s bad lol, he’s amazing. But he’s not the best player in the world in his own sport (Mbappe) and arguably his own team (De Bruyne)

 

[Coffees]

He's amazing, but come on. The best baseball player of all time played within the last 20 years

Judge?

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Judge?

Wut?

 

[Hynh]

Judge?

Could you imagine the reaction if the NHL was found to be using "juiced" pucks just for games that McDavid is playing in like the MLB did with Judge's totally legit home run record?

 

[Video Nasty]

Judge?

Trout supposedly.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

It’s Ohtani and really not close either.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I understand it has been 100 years since a player was this good of a pitcher and hitter, but Babe Ruth existed. Was a top 5 pitcher and well we all know about his hitting.

Ruth was never as good at pitching and hitting at the same time as Ohtani is though.

1918 was really the only year he excelled at both at the same time over a notable sample.

Trout supposedly.

I assume he's talking about Bonds.

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

I think a better comparison to Ohtani would be Bobby Orr

 

[Sorry]

Ruth was never as good at pitching and hitting at the same time as Ohtani is though.

1918 was really the only year he excelled at both at the same time over a notable sample.


I assume he's talking about Bonds.

Because he didn't doesn't mean he wasn't a better pitcher. Management was different back then.

 

[Sorry]

It really doesn't matter that Ruth or Ohtani were both pitchers and hitters, just how much value they created while doing them.

Ruth would be #1 had he never pitched

He lead the league in ERA as a pitcher.

 

[dire wolf]

Don't know who the other two are so voting McDavid per default.

Or, maybe consider sitting this one out. Why vote if you don't understand the choices?

 

[dire wolf]

Versatility =/= dominance. He's a very rare player who can pitch and hit, but the rest of the league still has a good chance to beat him in those respective categories, even when he's at his best. Who is realistically going to outscore McDavid at his best? Or outperform a prime Dominic Hasek in net?

"Very rare" is a huge understatement. In the long history of baseball, nobody has ever done this.

 

[Rey]

If Ohtani is going to keep this up for another 5-6 plus years, he’s going to best player in baseball history .

Ruth isn’t even close . He only pitched for a couple of seasons because it took too much of a toll on his body. He quit pitching , it had nothing to do with management. If anything positions are more strict now. He didn’t even play in the league with the best players(leagues were separated by race) , and it’s no where near as competitive it is now. Strike outs were higher in his era and any bum could be on a baseball roster . Anyone that says Ruth is the best is just it’s the thing to say, like Gretzky being the best or Jordon being the best except Ruth was 100 years ago. Can you imagine Ruth’s physic in todays game ?

 

[Video Nasty]

I assume he's talking about Bonds.

Hopefully.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Because he didn't doesn't mean he wasn't a better pitcher. Management was different back then.

I don't see your point? Nobody in the history of MLB has done what Ohtani is doing, not even Ruth.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Trout supposedly.

No. Great player but not good enough offensively to reach the best of the best. Bonds is by far the most dominant player ever.

 

[Cas]

"Very rare" is a huge understatement. In the long history of baseball, nobody has ever done this.

Bullet Joe Rogan did, and Martin Dihigo. Al Spalding did too, but that was quite a while ago.

It's ludicrously rare, of course.

 

[Video Nasty]

For those who no longer watch baseball or barely at all (and for the great lovers of pace).

Ohtani is on pace to play 158 games and hit .309 with 55 home runs, 126 RBIs, score 113 runs, collect 190 hits, 30 doubles, 10 triples, 20 SBs, and 80 BB while simultaneously winning 14-15 games and striking out 250 batters.

Lunacy. Ruth did something similar for 1 season. Ohtani is working on his 3rd straight.

 

[Cas]

If Ohtani is going to keep this up for another 5-6 plus years, he’s going to best player in baseball history .

Ruth isn’t even close . He only pitched for a couple of seasons because it took too much of a toll on his body. He quit pitching , it had nothing to do with management. If anything positions are more strict now. He didn’t even play in the league with the best players(leagues were separated by race) , and it’s no where near as competitive it is now. Strike outs were higher in his era and any bum could be on a baseball roster . Anyone that says Ruth is the best is just it’s the thing to say, like Gretzky being the best or Jordon being the best except Ruth was 100 years ago. Can you imagine Ruth’s physic in todays game ?

That's not what happened with Ruth.

Ruth started playing the outfield because of the war. Star outfielder Duffy Lewis was in the Navy, and Ruth wanted to play every day, so he started taking games in the field, and he rapidly proved he was a truly transformational hitter (and a massive box office draw), so he gradually moved to the outfield permanently.

Strikeouts were also much, much less common in the 1910's and 20's - they are far more common today than they ever have been.

No, "any bum" could not be on a major league roster. That's a ludicrous position to take.

Ruth was actually quite athletic and fit until his later years (and was still more fit than the average American is today, while retaining his coordination, strength, and batting eye). He was one of the first baseball players to use a personal trainer. He would not dominate to quite the same extent today, but given the same benefits players today have, he would be outstanding - imagine Judge, but every year.

 

[Thenameless]

Ohtani does much more in his sport than the other two, and he does it at an extremely high level (pracitically the best). I can only think of Babe Ruth being one of the best pitchers and one of the best sluggers (though he played the bulk of his career at outfield).

McDavid has accomplished more in terms of personal stats than the other two and is rapidly climbing the ranks of the all time greats in hockey. I suspect he slots in just under the Big 4 at the end of it all, but he will have to win a Stanley Cup.

Having said all of the above, I would still say that Mahomes is the most dominant in his sport. The quarterback is more important than any other position in the four major North American sports. In this latest Super Bowl alone, a lot of the experts picked the Eagles to win as they had the better balanced team and the greater overall talent. Mahomes was able to overcome the odds. He is a once in a lifetime talent at QB and the Chiefs are really lucky to have him. One of the few QB's actually worth a max NFL salary, as this really guts the rest of your team.

In short, having Mahomes gives a team a greater chance to win a Super Bowl than having Ohtani does of winning a World Series or having McDavid does of winning a Stanley Cup. In the NFL and the NHL having one guy make so much kind of cripples the team, but in MLB not so much. McDavid is having trouble overcoming this fact, and the Chiefs have already won two Super Bowls with Mahomes.

 

[Rey]

That's not what happened with Ruth.

Ruth started playing the outfield because of the war. Star outfielder Duffy Lewis was in the Navy, and Ruth wanted to play every day, so he started taking games in the field, and he rapidly proved he was a truly transformational hitter (and a massive box office draw), so he gradually moved to the outfield permanently.

Strikeouts were also much, much less common in the 1910's and 20's - they are far more common today than they ever have been.

No, "any bum" could not be on a major league roster. That's a ludicrous position to take.

Ruth was actually quite athletic and fit until his later years (and was still more fit than the average American is today, while retaining his coordination, strength, and batting eye). He was one of the first baseball players to use a personal trainer. He would not dominate to quite the same extent today, but given the same benefits players today have, he would be outstanding - imagine Judge,

Except Boston still wanted Ruth to pitch but he ultimately decided that he wants to play every day as he noticed it was the HRs that brought in the money and the fans so threw a fit and quit pitching.

Judge has only had one, his last season, which stood out and even then it’s ruined by cheating speculations and controversy . He isn’t even close to being the best in baseball. He cannot even be compared to be Ruth. The fact ohtani can , should tell you something.

 

[carl jung]

Ohtani AINEC

 

[Ezpz]

From what I understand of baseball Ohtani is apparently the literal GOAT and no other active athletes are even in the conversation for that title in their respective sports.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

From what I understand of baseball Ohtani is apparently the literal GOAT and no other active athletes are even in the conversation for that title in their respective sports.

You might want to work on better understanding, because while I love watching Ohtani, he's nowhere near the GOAT