Who is more dominant in their sport: Ohtani, McDavid or Mahomes?

[Cas]

Ohtani is having the best single season in baseball history right now. Sub 3 ERA, over .300 BA, 1st in homeruns.

I wouldn't go that far.

 

[Dust]

What a terrible take. Baseball is different from football and hockey, 1 guy just cant have the same impact.

Ohtani is having the best single season in baseball history right now. Sub 3 ERA, over .300 BA, 1st in homeruns.

That's fair. For the longest time MLB wouldn't give the MVP out to a non playoff player. I had to take the contrarian stance to lively up the discussion

 

[Thallis]

Ohtani

McDavid



Mahomes

 

[Montag DP]

Ohtani AINEC. He's not just generational, he's the best player in a century.

 

[dire wolf]

If memory serves me correctly, some guy named George Herman Ruth was a pretty good pitcher in Boston and led the league in ERA a few years before he got sold to the Yankees.

There's also been some changes to the game over the "long history of babeball". Do you think Ohtani could have done this in 1970, before the DH position existed?

Ruth gave up pitching. He was never a dominant pitcher and hitter at the same time for multiple seasons. I‘m a huge Ruth fan. His hitting was more dominant compared to his peers than Ohtani’s is. But Ruth didn’t do what Ohtani is doing on the mound and at the plate at the same time.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Ruth gave up pitching. He was never a dominant pitcher and hitter at the same time for multiple seasons. I‘m a huge Ruth fan. His hitting was more dominant compared to his peers than Ohtani’s is. But Ruth didn’t do what Ohtani is doing on the mound and at the plate at the same time.

Ruth also didn't have the DH position available to be able to do what Ohtani is doing.

But, during his time in Boston, with limited plate appearances, he hit .308 with 49 home runs, 224 RBIs and had an OPS of 0.981, while also going 89-46 as a pitcher (2.19 ERA, 483 Ks). His last season in Boston (1919), he went 9-5 as a pitcher (2.97 ERA, 133 innings pitched), while also hitting .322 and leading the league in HR, R, RBI, OBP, SLG and OPS.

 

[Gunnersaurus Rex]

In fairness, I don't know who the first guy is. But McDavid is a generational player so he has my vote.

 

[wintersej]

Mahomes is the least dominant of the three playing the position that has the most impact by far. Nobody has done what Ohtani is doing since Ruth.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Wish I’d have read the thread before voting. I didn’t realize Ohtani was dominating to this level.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

In fairness, I don't know who the first guy is. But McDavid is a generational player so he has my vote.

He's a guy that's a level above generational player. Once a century player.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Don't even watch baseball but Ohtani IRL Superman.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I see we're still shilling this myth.

1) Ball variance is common.

2) Juiced balls were not found in use at Yankees games. Goldilocks balls were. You've read Goldilocks, right? They're between juiced balls and dead balls.

3) The study found 11 Goldilocks balls in use at Yankees home games. That the study found 88 juiced balls is completely ignored because it's not clickbait.

Major League Baseball used at least two types of balls again this year, and evidence points to a third

An Insider investigation based on research by Meredith Wills found evidence that during this season, MLB circulated three distinct sets of game balls.

www.insider.com

4) The manufacturing change occurred in May as the chart below indicates, leading me to believe the balls from Yankee Stadium are heavily cherry-picked.



5) As the chart also indicates, balls in 2022 were still deader than the balls used in previous years.

Goldilocks balls are still juiced compared to the standard baseball, you're trying to deflect using some weird semantics. Judge's performance was aided by Rob Manfred. Truth hurts.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

He's a guy that's a level above generational player. Once a century player.

In uniqueness, yes. But there have been much better hitters and much better pitchers.

Barry Bonds in 2004 had an OBP of .609. Ohtani's is .389 right now. Meaning the difference between Bonds and Ohtani there is greater than the difference between Ohtani and the worst player in the league.

 

[DueDiligence]

Mahomes. He is the focal point of his teams winning 2 championships.

 

[ijuka]

Never heard of Ohtani or Mahomes.

 

[Three On Zero]

People who vote McDavid over Mahomes are just those who don’t pay much attention to sports outside of hockey(which is fair considering this is a hockey forum)

 

[Dr Pepper]

Why is Mahomes even an option.

 

[Beau Knows]

1. Ohtani
...
...
2. McDavid
3. Mahomes

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

In uniqueness, yes. But there have been much better hitters and much better pitchers.

Barry Bonds in 2004 had an OBP of .609. Ohtani's is .389 right now. Meaning the difference between Bonds and Ohtani there is greater than the difference between Ohtani and the worst player in the league.

Barry bonds was a cheater though

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Barry bonds was a cheater though

Most players are probably still on PEDs. Get over it

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

If the Angels don't make the playoffs they should be contracted. They have 2 all timers on their roster, at the same time- and they're just out of the WC. Shows how much baseball is a team sport.

 

[wintersej]

If the Angels don't make the playoffs they should be contracted. They have 2 all timers on their roster, at the same time- and they're just out of the WC. Shows how much baseball is a team sport.

MLB shares in common with the NHL that it's a team sport. They also have in common that they have a real tough time marketing their best players.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's definitely Ohtani. Ohtani is making a case for him being the GOAT baseball player, and there have been some really amazing baseball players over the years.

 

[GOilers88]

Shohei for me. Babe Ruth 2.0

 

[Connor McConnor]

Ruth also didn't have the DH position available to be able to do what Ohtani is doing.

But, during his time in Boston, with limited plate appearances, he hit .308 with 49 home runs, 224 RBIs and had an OPS of 0.981, while also going 89-46 as a pitcher (2.19 ERA, 483 Ks). His last season in Boston (1919), he went 9-5 as a pitcher (2.97 ERA, 133 innings pitched), while also hitting .322 and leading the league in HR, R, RBI, OBP, SLG and OPS.

If you want to point out the DH position let's talk about how Ruth played in an era where most of the best Baseball players weren't even allowed to play. Or the fact that analytics weren't being used much, and nobody was throwing > 100 MPH with disgusting movement. They also used to play in much smaller stadiums.

Obviously it's impossible to compare the two and I have no problem with people going Ruth > Ohtani, but I just wanted to be fair to both sides of the argument.