What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[Nineteen67]

And he's very very not available

Then go down the list. There’s no shortage of wok that needs to be done, probably too much considering the limited resources they have to use in trades and only 5 draft picks total in the first four rounds of the next three drafts.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Then go down the list. There’s no shortage of wok that needs to be done, probably too much considering the limited resources they have to use in trades and only 5 draft picks total in the first four rounds of the next three drafts.

I agree There is a lot of work to be done.

You need to do something with Murray

You need to do something with Samsonov

You have 10 UFA'S to deal with.

You need a top 4 D.

You need at least 1 top 6 forward

What You DO NOT need to do is trade Marner for magic beans

 

[Trapper]

I agree There is a lot of work to be done.

You need to do something with Murray

You need to do something with Samsonov

You have 10 UFA'S to deal with.

You need a top 4 D.

You need at least 1 top 6 forward

What You DO NOT need to do is trade Marner for magic beans

I know a guy who is a year younger, makes 4 million less, signed for 5 more years, scored 13 less points than Marner on a last place team in the league.
I move the first bean as fast as I can.

 

[Mess]

There is an elephant in the room that not many have discussed yet and that is the status of Jake Muzzin, whom I believe the new GM should find a magical way of disposing of.

There are several issues at play here that will give Leafs potential headaches.

1) Are we sure Muzzin's career is over officially and he will be able to go on LTIR next year?

That was not the case last summer as he showed up for camp passed his physical and played the first 4 games of the season, before we never saw him again.. The problem here is, a lot of people are counting his full $5,625,000 to be available this summer for Treliving to re-invest in new players, like a new Top 4 Dman using that cap space. That is not true if history repeats itself and he shows up next training camp and is ready to play. (but for how long that is unclear).

2) The way the CBA works is that while you can overspend the hard cap by 10% in the offseason, the catch being you must be Cap complainant for the new season before game #1.

The problem here with Muzzin is timing again even if he fails his physical and is a LTIR Candidate for next year. 2023-24 The Leafs might have to submit a Cap compliant Day #1 roster that includes Muzzin's full $5.625 mil, then afterwards once the NHL has approved all 32 teams starting roster for the new season, can a team legally place him on LTIR ( long-term IR) and overspend the cap replacing him. The problem is that, as what are you going to spend that cap space on, once the season has started and it becomes more useful come trade deadline time then. But its almost as if you begin the year under-spending the Cap ceiling by Muzzin's contract and then get it back shortly after the season begins.

The good news of the Muzzin contract is that there is only 1 year left at $5.625 mil AAV, but it was a front-loaded deal that plays him a $2 mil signing bonus on July 1st and then only $2 mil base for the remainder of the deal. ($4 mil total).. So should BT attempt to move it there will only be a small amount of actual $$ money for the new team to payout ,after July 1st signing bonus is paid out.

PS.. $10 mil of the potential $20 mil free cap space the Leafs have this summer is actually tied to what happens with Muzzin and Murray and while their here the free space is cut into 1/2. .

 

[Nineteen67]

I agree There is a lot of work to be done.

You need to do something with Murray

You need to do something with Samsonov

You have 10 UFA'S to deal with.

You need a top 4 D.

You need at least 1 top 6 forward

What You DO NOT need to do is trade Marner for magic beans

Keep Murray and let his contract expire -easy fix
let Samsonov walk - he’s not part of the future
Test Woll. Give him the #1 spot
The UFA’s - thank them for their time. the guys they’d consider will be too old during their window
They need 3 top 4 D with speed
They need a 2C - can’t re-sign Tavares in two years so move him to the wing.
They need at least one top 6 winger
A new Third line

 

[AustonMarner]

Is it just me or does it seem like Treliving has been the GM of the Leafs longer already than Dubas ever was?

LETS GO ALREADY AND...

Re-sign Matthews 13.4 × 5 years
Trade Murray w/asset or minor retention or BO
Trade Samsonov & Woll for Hellebuyck
**Sign Monahan hometown discount? × 2**X
(re-signed with Habs this morning so lol)
Sign Domi 4.5 × 6 years
Sign Mayfield 4 × 4 years
Sign Stolarz 1.3 x 3 years
Sign Perry 1.5 x 2 years
Sign Lemieux 2 × 3 years
Sign Hägg 1.2 x 2 years
Re-sign Schenn 2.2 x 2 years
Re-sign Gustafsson 1.1 x 2 years
Trade Brodie, Liljegren & Lafferty for Wilson
Sign Hayden 800k x 2 (Bunting 2.0 but tough)
Re-sign W. Nylander 9.6 x 8
Trade for A. Nylander reclamation project

Now the Leafs have a tough team to play against... the common denominator of these players is they all stick up for teammates but can also play the game the right way... something current incarnation of this team severely lacks

4th line analytics darlings just don't cut it when the real season starts sorry to say

 

[TheOne]

His first move should be to bring respectability back to the franchise so that Messier, Chelios, Gretzky, Hank, to name a few tv analysts, actually treat them as serious team.

Why on earth would BT care about the opinions of TV analysts?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Is it just me or does it seem like Treliving has been the GM of the Leafs longer already than Dubas ever was?

LETS GO ALREADY AND...

Re-sign Matthews 13.4 × 5 years
Trade Murray w/asset or minor retention or BO
Trade Samsonov & Woll for Hellebuyck
Sign Monahan hometown discount? × 2
(Bet you he's better than Tavares if healthy)
Sign Domi 4.5 × 6 years
Sign Mayfield 4 × 4 years
Sign Stolarz 1.3 x 3 years
Sign Perry 1.5 x 2 years
Sign Lemieux 2 × 3 years
Sign Hägg 1.2 x 2 years
Re-sign Schenn 2.2 x 2 years
Re-sign Gustafsson 1.1 x 2 years
Trade Brodie, Liljegren & Lafferty for Wilson
Sign Hayden 800k x 2 (Bunting 2.0 but tough)
Re-sign W. Nylander 9.6 x 8
Trade for A. Nylander reclamation project

Now the Leafs have a tough team to play against... the common denominator of these players is they all stick up for teammates but can also play the game the right way... something current incarnation of this team severely lacks

4th line analytics darlings just don't cut it when the real season starts sorry to say

Domi probably isn't getting 4.5 from anybody

 

[Hellcat]

When you look at the shit job Dubas did, cap jail for the last 4 years, no real prospects in the cupboards, he traded away our 2023 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, 2024, 2nd, 3rd, 2025 1st, 2nd, 4th, had Matty, Mitch and Willie fall in his lap, no clear #1 goalie going into next season, had the deep pockets of MLSE fund his off ice support staff, analytics team and scouting (one the biggest support teams in the league) and won one series in 6 years.

You wonder how Tre, with very little cap space very little collateral in prospects or picks, how does he make this team better? Tre has a massive mountain to climb and this is with 3 elite players in the prime of their careers. This team is teetering on the cliff of being a non playoff team next season. We may have to take a step back, to make this team better in a few years.

 

[Nineteen67]

Why on earth would BT care about the opinions of TV analysts?

They’re not saying anything that’s not true. If it was just Anson Carter dogging them I wouldn’t say much, but after 6 yrs of tv analyst analyzing, and concluding the team is still too soft and their D is not good enough, maybe it’s time to do something about.
And we’ve heard what the players have said over the years.

 

[Nineteen67]

The first up crew were asking CJ about the possibility of buying out Brodie. Where did that rumor come from? Surely that’s not an option.

 

[Mess]

The first up crew were asking CJ about the possibility of buying out Brodie. Where did that rumor come from? Surely that’s not an option.

 

[Nineteen67]

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OK, so it’s not a real consideration.

They need his cap space to acquire a player that will help them down the road, but they could trade him for a pick at the very least.

 

[Mess]

OK, so it’s not a real consideration.

They need his cap space to acquire a player that will help them down the road, but they could trade him for a pick at the very least.

Actually Jay Onrait asked Craig Button that very same question yesterday

Button: Leafs need to change the mix on defence; Pesce would be a great fit - TSN.ca

TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joins SC with Jay Onrait to discuss some intriguing names on the Trade Bait board, the direction the Canucks are going in with their defence, if buying out T.J. Brodie makes sense for the Maple Leafs, and more​

You would hope Leafs could trade him but he has an ugly backloaded contract that pays him $7.5 mil in real $$ next year, when compared to offensive players like Hedman, Letang and Josh Morrissey making $8 mil in real money it sticks out like a sore thumb.

A buyout that has Zero cap hit in 2023-24 and $2.5 mil in 2024-25 (when the cap is expected to go up by $4-5 mil) and absorbed. Treliving wanting to make changes to the Dcore and needing cap space and roster room doesn't actually rule out a Buyout option as it would immediately give him $5 mil to spend on a top 4 Dman.

A buyout of Brodie, and trade of a cap friendly Muzzin contract (as a potential LTIR candidate with only $2 mil in base salary after July 1str) and talking grandpa Giordano (the oldest skater in the NHL) into retirement would give Treliving 3 roster spots and $11.5 mil re-captured cap space to spend on the defense improvements for next year.,

 

[JT AM da real deal]

When you look at the shit job Dubas did, cap jail for the last 4 years, no real prospects in the cupboards, he traded away our 2023 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, 2024, 2nd, 3rd, 2025 1st, 2nd, 4th, had Matty, Mitch and Willie fall in his lap, no clear #1 goalie going into next season, had the deep pockets of MLSE fund his off ice support staff, analytics team and scouting (one the biggest support teams in the league) and won one series in 6 years.

You wonder how Tre, with very little cap space very little collateral in prospects or picks, how does he make this team better? Tre has a massive mountain to climb and this is with 3 elite players in the prime of their careers. This team is teetering on the cliff of being a non playoff team next season. We may have to take a step back, to make this team better in a few years.

He is going to load up our D core and make it much tougher to take our net .. our CAP is going to D next season .. will be a bunch of rooks on 3rd and 4th lines which is fine .. it is da only strategy which has not been tried with this core .. gotta give da media da last angle to talk about .. Hanifin would help as would Pesce .. both much better than Brodie

 

[Nineteen67]

Actually Jay Onrait asked Craig Button that very same question yesterday

Button: Leafs need to change the mix on defence; Pesce would be a great fit - TSN.ca

TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joins SC with Jay Onrait to discuss some intriguing names on the Trade Bait board, the direction the Canucks are going in with their defence, if buying out T.J. Brodie makes sense for the Maple Leafs, and more​

You would hope Leafs could trade him but he has an ugly backloaded contract that pays him $7.5 mil in real $$ next year, when compared to offensive players like Hedman, Letang and Josh Morrissey making $8 mil in real money it sticks out like a sore thumb.

A buyout that has Zero cap hit in 2023-24 and $2.5 mil in 2024-25 (when the cap is expected to go up by $4-5 mil) and absorbed. Treliving wanting to make changes to the Dcore and needing cap space and roster room doesn't actually rule out a Buyout option as it would immediately give him $5 mil to spend on a top 4 Dman.

A buyout of Brodie, and trade of a cap friendly Muzzin contract (as a potential LTIR candidate with only $2 mil in base salary after July 1str) and talking grandpa Giordano (the oldest skater in the NHL) into retirement would give Treliving 3 roster spots and $11.5 mil re-captured cap space to spend on the defense improvements for next year.,

7.5 million? Holy crap, I always forget to look at that tab. Maybe at the TDL get something for him.

 

[Nineteen67]

He is going to load up our D core and make it much tougher to take our net .. our CAP is going to D next season .. will be a bunch of rooks on 3rd and 4th lines which is fine .. it is da only strategy which has not been tried with this core .. gotta give da media da last angle to talk about .. Hanifin would help as would Pesce .. both much better than Brodie

Aren’t those two D under contract for one more year? How do they acquire them?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Aren’t those two D under contract for one more year? How do they acquire them?

Brodie swop plus a prospect like Robertson .. something like that

 

[Cor]

There is an elephant in the room that not many have discussed yet and that is the status of Jake Muzzin, whom I believe the new GM should find a magical way of disposing of.

There are several issues at play here that will give Leafs potential headaches.

1) Are we sure Muzzin's career is over officially and he will be able to go on LTIR next year?

That was not the case last summer as he showed up for camp passed his physical and played the first 4 games of the season, before we never saw him again.. The problem here is, a lot of people are counting his full $5,625,000 to be available this summer for Treliving to re-invest in new players, like a new Top 4 Dman using that cap space. That is not true if history repeats itself and he shows up next training camp and is ready to play. (but for how long that is unclear).

2) The way the CBA works is that while you can overspend the hard cap by 10% in the offseason, the catch being you must be Cap complainant for the new season before game #1.

The problem here with Muzzin is timing again even if he fails his physical and is a LTIR Candidate for next year. 2023-24 The Leafs might have to submit a Cap compliant Day #1 roster that includes Muzzin's full $5.625 mil, then afterwards once the NHL has approved all 32 teams starting roster for the new season, can a team legally place him on LTIR ( long-term IR) and overspend the cap replacing him. The problem is that, as what are you going to spend that cap space on, once the season has started and it becomes more useful come trade deadline time then. But its almost as if you begin the year under-spending the Cap ceiling by Muzzin's contract and then get it back shortly after the season begins.

The good news of the Muzzin contract is that there is only 1 year left at $5.625 mil AAV, but it was a front-loaded deal that plays him a $2 mil signing bonus on July 1st and then only $2 mil base for the remainder of the deal. ($4 mil total).. So should BT attempt to move it there will only be a small amount of actual $$ money for the new team to payout ,after July 1st signing bonus is paid out.

PS.. $10 mil of the potential $20 mil free cap space the Leafs have this summer is actually tied to what happens with Muzzin and Murray and while their here the free space is cut into 1/2. .

Off-season LTIR exists. The Leafs won't need to submit a roster that includes him.

 

[francis246]

Brodie swop plus a prospect like Robertson .. something like that

I think Brodie’s days as a leaf are numbered. There’s too much smoke right now. Then you mix in Brodie and Treliving do not have a good relationship after the rumours came out that Treliving almost traded him for Kadri.

 

[Nineteen67]

Brodie swop plus a prospect like Robertson .. something like that

Is that even possible? Brodie is not as good a Pesce and cost 7.5 in real dough with a higher AAV.

 

[Mess]

Off-season LTIR exists. The Leafs won't need to submit a roster that includes him.

Yup off-season LTIR is not the issue at the moment.

Can LTIR be used in the off-season?​

Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed and teams must become cap compliant.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Is that even possible? Brodie is not as good a Pesce and cost 7.5 in real dough with a higher AAV.

He is not resigning with canes .. so they have to get something for him .. brodie gets them a replacement at lower cost and a prospect .. Tree's plan is a huge upgrade on our D corp .. this is only 1st move .. rumours flying everywhere Gio is retiring .. and he does not like Timmer or Lily either .. i think another poster mentioned it could be an entirely new D corps except Rielly and Schenner .. lots more to come this summer i suspect

 

[Pebble live]

There is an elephant in the room that not many have discussed yet and that is the status of Jake Muzzin, whom I believe the new GM should find a magical way of disposing of.

There are several issues at play here that will give Leafs potential headaches.

1) Are we sure Muzzin's career is over officially and he will be able to go on LTIR next year?

That was not the case last summer as he showed up for camp passed his physical and played the first 4 games of the season, before we never saw him again.. The problem here is, a lot of people are counting his full $5,625,000 to be available this summer for Treliving to re-invest in new players, like a new Top 4 Dman using that cap space. That is not true if history repeats itself and he shows up next training camp and is ready to play. (but for how long that is unclear).

2) The way the CBA works is that while you can overspend the hard cap by 10% in the offseason, the catch being you must be Cap complainant for the new season before game #1.

The problem here with Muzzin is timing again even if he fails his physical and is a LTIR Candidate for next year. 2023-24 The Leafs might have to submit a Cap compliant Day #1 roster that includes Muzzin's full $5.625 mil, then afterwards once the NHL has approved all 32 teams starting roster for the new season, can a team legally place him on LTIR ( long-term IR) and overspend the cap replacing him. The problem is that, as what are you going to spend that cap space on, once the season has started and it becomes more useful come trade deadline time then. But its almost as if you begin the year under-spending the Cap ceiling by Muzzin's contract and then get it back shortly after the season begins.

The good news of the Muzzin contract is that there is only 1 year left at $5.625 mil AAV, but it was a front-loaded deal that plays him a $2 mil signing bonus on July 1st and then only $2 mil base for the remainder of the deal. ($4 mil total).. So should BT attempt to move it there will only be a small amount of actual $$ money for the new team to payout ,after July 1st signing bonus is paid out.

PS.. $10 mil of the potential $20 mil free cap space the Leafs have this summer is actually tied to what happens with Muzzin and Murray and while their here the free space is cut into 1/2. .

The contract is probably insured so the team taking the contract probably wouldn't be paying out anything. It would help get them to the cap floor. I do think we see a deal around this as well and he's moved to Arizona or something.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Actually Jay Onrait asked Craig Button that very same question yesterday

Button: Leafs need to change the mix on defence; Pesce would be a great fit - TSN.ca

TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joins SC with Jay Onrait to discuss some intriguing names on the Trade Bait board, the direction the Canucks are going in with their defence, if buying out T.J. Brodie makes sense for the Maple Leafs, and more​

You would hope Leafs could trade him but he has an ugly backloaded contract that pays him $7.5 mil in real $$ next year, when compared to offensive players like Hedman, Letang and Josh Morrissey making $8 mil in real money it sticks out like a sore thumb.

A buyout that has Zero cap hit in 2023-24 and $2.5 mil in 2024-25 (when the cap is expected to go up by $4-5 mil) and absorbed. Treliving wanting to make changes to the Dcore and needing cap space and roster room doesn't actually rule out a Buyout option as it would immediately give him $5 mil to spend on a top 4 Dman.

A buyout of Brodie, and trade of a cap friendly Muzzin contract (as a potential LTIR candidate with only $2 mil in base salary after July 1str) and talking grandpa Giordano (the oldest skater in the NHL) into retirement would give Treliving 3 roster spots and $11.5 mil re-captured cap space to spend on the defense improvements for next year.,

Muzzy is done as a hockey player .. i heave heard it from 3 different sources including my son who knows his uncle son really well like bbq in woodstock 2 weekends ago well .. he has also sold his condo a few weeks ago with a Sotheby's agent i know too next to leafs practice rink .. he will play out season on LTIR and then retire sometime in 2024 in a nice ceremony with leafs