What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Is there really a problem with trading a high value asset if you get a high value return though?

The only problem with this concept is the previous manager who open talked about being scared to lose a trade.

There is if you are guaranteed to lose that trade.

And you are almost guaranteed to lose a Marner trade.

Wanting changes is fine but you have to get better.

The ONLY way to win a mitch Marner trade would be a deal where you get 2 impact players for example.

To Calgary Marner + whatever

To Toronto Lindholm: extended + Hanifin

OR
To Calgary Marner + whatever

To Toronto Lindholm: again extended + Toffoli.

One of these gets you a top line forward AND top pair D.

The other gets you a top line forward and another top 6 forward.

Of course these won't happen but that's the point, in order for it to make sense to trade Marner that trade would need to be lopsided in your favor otherwise you are getting worse and that doesn't make sense.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Yes let's trade the 99 point winger that is also up for selke trophy that's great plan.

Holy f***

Right? I'm glad most of it not all the posters on this board are not running anything other than Avondale or a Tim hortons. Jeeze..

His first trade is going to be hannifin and he's going to rip conroy off bad..

 

[ShaneFalco]

Yes let's trade the 99 point winger that is also up for selke trophy that's great plan.

Holy f***

Let's run it back year after year and get bounced in the playoffs
Great plan

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Let's run it back year after year and get bounced in the playoffs
Great plan

The idea is to get better, you can't get better by trading Marner, It's impossible.

You would have to get Lindholm and Hanifin

Or Lindholm: and Toffoli

Or Keller and Schamltz.

That's not going to happen but that's my point in order to trade Marner AND get better that trade would need to be lopsided in your favor otherwise you are getting worse.

 

[Fogelhund]

Let's run it back year after year and get bounced in the playoffs
Great plan

Changes for the sake of change is never a very good idea. If there is a play to make the team better, you explore it... you always do.

Then again, the roster of this team has hardly been run back year after year.. the core sure, but pretty much the rest of the pieces have changed, and will continue. If there is an opportunity where the Leafs can improve, by moving a core piece, of course it should be considered. This includes more than the single trade thinking that some people, who lack the capability to see 3D chess multiple moves.

 

[ToneDog]

The idea is to get better, you can't get better by trading Marner, It's impossible.

You would have to get Lindholm and Hanifin

Or Lindholm: and Toffoli

Or Keller and Schamltz.

That's not going to happen but that's my point in order to trade Marner AND get better that trade would need to be lopsided in your favor otherwise you are getting worse.

Or you can get Keller/Kempe+ and cap space to sign Mayfield ??

 

[ShaneFalco]

Changes for the sake of change is never a very good idea. If there is a play to make the team better, you explore it... you always do.

Dubas wasn't even open to entertaining the idea of change and Shanny announced the core would likely be back before the new GM was even hired.
The rest of the roster is bargain bin diving. Everything else has changed - coaches, goalies, assistant coaches.....same result. The "core" can't play intense, playoff hockey is the botom line. Doesn't matter who you surround them with as we've seen. If they were going to fire Keefe, I'd certainly like ot see how they do under another coach......but looks like that isn't happeneing either
Shit-show

 

[Fogelhund]

Dubas wasn't even open to entertaining the idea of change and Shanny announced the core would likely be back before the new GM was even hired.
The rest of the roster is bargain bin diving. Everything else has changed - coaches, goalies, assistant coaches.....same result. The "core" can't play intense, playoff hockey is the botom line. Doesn't matter who you surround them with as we've seen. If they were going to fire Keefe, I'd certainly like ot see how they do under another coach......but looks like that isn't happeneing either
Shit-show

Actually.. it does appears as though Dubas would have considered change... but he's out the door, and you are correct that Shanny doesn't appear to want change.

But, I stand by the statement that you never make change, for the sake of change or appeasing a fan base that is prone to emotional reactions.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Actually.. it does appears as though Dubas would have considered change... but he's out the door, and you are correct that Shanny doesn't appear to want change.

But, I stand by the statement that you never make change, for the sake of change or appeasing a fan base that is prone to emotional reactions.

7 years

 

[hockeywiz542]

Maple Leafs 2023 Draft Preview: Does Treliving have a bold move cooking?

With the Maple Leafs firmly in their competitive window, and possessing just one pick in the first four rounds, the 2023 draft story will be more about the club's present than its future.

www.sportsnet.ca

ONE BOLD PREDICTION FOR THE DRAFT

Treliving puts his first stamp on the Maple Leafs roster not with the type of player he targets in the draft but with the trade(s) he makes sing in Music City.

Our guess: Treliving surveys the UFA defence market — eight years times $6.25 million for Damon Severson, eh? — and instead tries to strike a trade for a top-four defender (Brett Pesce out of Carolina? Noah Hanifin from Calgary?).

We predict the Leafs will be linked in whispers for edgy wingers (Tom Wilson, Travis Konecny) and No. 1 goalies (Juuse Saros) as well.

That’s not to say everyone on the market will become a Maple Leaf. But the new GM will complete at least one transaction that steals headlines and gives fans a reason to trust 2023-24 could feel different.

 

[BallardEra]

Maple Leafs 2023 Draft Preview: Does Treliving have a bold move cooking?

With the Maple Leafs firmly in their competitive window, and possessing just one pick in the first four rounds, the 2023 draft story will be more about the club's present than its future.

www.sportsnet.ca

ONE BOLD PREDICTION FOR THE DRAFT

Treliving puts his first stamp on the Maple Leafs roster not with the type of player he targets in the draft but with the trade(s) he makes sing in Music City.

Our guess: Treliving surveys the UFA defence market — eight years times $6.25 million for Damon Severson, eh? — and instead tries to strike a trade for a top-four defender (Brett Pesce out of Carolina? Noah Hanifin from Calgary?).



We predict the Leafs will be linked in whispers for edgy wingers (Tom Wilson, Travis Konecny) and No. 1 goalies (Juuse Saros) as well.

That’s not to say everyone on the market will become a Maple Leaf. But the new GM will complete at least one transaction that steals headlines and gives fans a reason to trust 2023-24 could feel different.

LLLOOOOOCCCCCHHHHH!!!!

 

[Fogelhund]

7 years

Sakic took longer, So did Ovechkin, MacKinnon, Eichel, Yzerman and many others.

Anyway.. it's summer. Maybe the grievances and anger can wait to see what actually happens this offseason?

 

[BallardEra]

 

[Mess]

Wonder in Treliving would have interest in bring back his former Flame Sean Monahan on a cheaper prove it deal and shore Leafs depth at center?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Changes for the sake of change is never a very good idea. If there is a play to make the team better, you explore it... you always do.

Then again, the roster of this team has hardly been run back year after year.. the core sure, but pretty much the rest of the pieces have changed, and will continue. If there is an opportunity where the Leafs can improve, by moving a core piece, of course it should be considered. This includes more than the single trade thinking that some people, who lack the capability to see 3D chess multiple moves

Wonder in Treliving would have interest in bring back his former Flame Sean Monahan on a cheaper prove it deal and shore Leafs depth at center?

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he was the new 3C next year

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Wonder in Treliving would have interest in bring back his former Flame Sean Monahan on a cheaper prove it deal and shore Leafs depth at center?

Sean is done with hockey .. too many injuries and he has not recovered his skating ability which was his path to da show to begin with

 

[Nineteen67]

Yes let's trade the 99 point winger that is also up for selke trophy that's great plan.

Holy f***

To balance the team what if they traded him for a young D that will be up for the Norris every year?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

To balance the team what if they traded him for a young D that will be up for the Norris every year?

and who is this magic D man and if he does exist why would his current team trade him?

think about it

 

[Fogelhund]

Treliving paid to get rid of Monahan previously. I appreciate it was a cap move, and he'd likely sign a much smaller contract, but still the question remains why? He's now had four seasons in a row, where Injury reduced either the games he player, or quality of play. What do you pay for that?

To balance the team what if they traded him for a young D that will be up for the Norris every year?

Who are you thinking of?

 

[Mess]

Treliving paid to get rid of Monahan previously. I appreciate it was a cap move, and he'd likely sign a much smaller contract, but still the question remains why? He's now had four seasons in a row, where Injury reduced either the games he player, or quality of play. What do you pay for that?

If you're looking to replace David Kampf as your 3rd line C then it shouldn't cost much more than they were paying him. IMO

 

[Nineteen67]

His first move should be to bring respectability back to the franchise so that Messier, Chelios, Gretzky, Hank, to name a few tv analysts, actually treat them as serious team.

 

[ACC1224]

and who is this magic D man and if he does exist why would his current team trade him?

think about it

This has always been the strangest part of all this nonsense.
He's "overpaid", "doesn't care" and "can't play in the playoffs" yet will return a boat load of riches from some GM, who we have to assume is dumber than the average poster here who find these flaws so obvious.

 

[Nineteen67]

Treliving paid to get rid of Monahan previously. I appreciate it was a cap move, and he'd likely sign a much smaller contract, but still the question remains why? He's now had four seasons in a row, where Injury reduced either the games he player, or quality of play. What do you pay for that?


Who are you thinking of?

I doubt it would ever happen, but I would look seriously at Owen Power.

 

[Fogelhund]

His first move should be to bring respectability back to the franchise so that Messier, Chelios, Gretzky, Hank, to name a few tv analysts, actually treat them as serious team.

Say what now? What exactly is this supposed to mean? How does one "bring repectability back"

I doubt it would ever happen, but I would look seriously at Owen Power.

It wouldn't happen.

 

[Nineteen67]

and who is this magic D man and if he does exist why would his current team trade him?

think about it

I have thought it about. I thought about the 1D and 1G since before they signed Tavares , but unfortunately the Leafs management hasn’t.