What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[The Iceman]

~675 k this year and
~2.6 million next.

But the Leafs are only on the hook for $687,500 year one.
$2,000,000 year 2.

Ottawa gets the rest.

 

[Nineteen67]

But the Leafs are only on the hook for $687,500 year one.
$2,000,000 year 2.

Ottawa gets the rest.

Actual dollars or cap dollars?

 

[Nineteen67]

Do you think Karlsson has negative value?

He is coming off a season where he ended up outscoring any Maple Leaf player with 101 points finishing 11th overall (as a Dman)

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The last 2 years of his deal he makes $9 mil and 7.5 mil in real dollars.

He’s 33, takes up too much cap for a team trying to build a winner, and if they were able to navigate around his cap, he’d be 36 when and an albatross when their window opens.

An old and slow team does not need to get older.

 

[andora]

He’s 33, takes up too much cap for a team trying to build a winner, and if they were able to navigate around his cap, he’d be 36 when and an albatross when their window opens.

An old and slow team does not need to get older.

It would go from goal against "the defence cant move the f***en puck"
To
Goal against "where the f*** did karlsson go"

 

[Mess]

He’s 33, takes up too much cap for a team trying to build a winner, and if they were able to navigate around his cap, he’d be 36 when and an albatross when their window opens.

An old and slow team does not need to get older.

Tavares is 32 and turning 33 in Sept and he makes a similar $11 mil salary as EK for the next 2 seasons and he is a PPG center at best at this stage.

Would I take a 33 year old Dman making $11 mil and putting up > 100 points instead of an aging slowing down centre making the same. Hell Yeah I would.

If the Leafs would be interested in a Karlsson then one of their $11 mil players would have to be moving out. However I don't believe Karlsson would all that interested in Toronto to waive his NTC for because of his former ties to Ottawa and dislike that happened in the past with the battle of Ontario.

I suspect Treliving is going to look for volume moves on Defense like recently bought out Oliver Ekman-Larsson from his days in Arizona, or Noah Hanifin from Flames. etc.

 

[Nineteen67]

Tavares is 32 and turning 33 in Sept and he makes a similar $11 mil salary as EK for the next 2 seasons and he is a PPG center at best at this stage.

Would I take a 33 year old Dman making $11 mil and putting up > 100 points instead of an aging slowing down centre making the same. Hell Yeah I would.

If the Leafs would be interested in a Karlsson then one of their $11 mil players would have to be moving out. However I don't believe Karlsson would all that interested in Toronto to waive his NTC for because of his former ties to Ottawa and dislike that happened in the past with the battle of Ontario.

I suspect Treliving is going to look for volume moves on Defense like recently bought out Oliver Ekman-Larsson from his days in Arizona, or Noah Hanifin from Flames. etc.

Maybe a team in their winning window might take a chance on getting another year out of Karlsson.

 

[Thornbury]

Actual dollars or cap dollars?

Cap dollars. Actual dollars are higher this year than the cap hit, backended contract.

 

[Nineteen67]

Cap dollars. Actual dollars are higher this year than the cap hit, backended contract.

So no need to delay it.

 

[Mess]

Maybe a team in their winning window might take a chance on getting another year out of Karlsson.

If Leafs could magically swap Tavares for Karlsson at Zero Cap increase/impact Leafs could be that team.

Leafs under the former GM built one of the lowest scoring Dcores in the NHL, and the asking those players to be a part of the secondary scoring needed around the core 4 to offset using 1/2 a teams Cap on them. Outside of Mo Riells it was a Ghost town in terms of getting goals from the defense in the playoffs. This has to be an Era Treliving has to address with major changes.

A 25 goals & 101 point Dman would look really nice on Leafs defense.

 

[Mess]

Brad Treliving has a reputation of building from the backend out and as such I expect a major overhaul of Leafs current defense core.

I wouldn't mind if he went back to his Flames as a source and considered the smooth skating Hanifin and/or the big physical 6-6/240 lb Nikita Zadorov to upgrade the Leafs in trade.

 

[aingefan]

The better question now is: when will his first deal be?

Common trades



Yes, I know the date. I’m just antsy for something to start.

 

[Nineteen67]

If Leafs could magically swap Tavares for Karlsson at Zero Cap increase/impact Leafs could be that team.

Leafs under the former GM built one of the lowest scoring Dcores in the NHL, and the asking those players to be a part of the secondary scoring needed around the core 4 to offset using 1/2 a teams Cap on them. Outside of Mo Riells it was a Ghost town in terms of getting goals from the defense in the playoffs. This has to be an Era Treliving has to address with major changes.

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A 25 goals & 101 point Dman would look really nice on Leafs defense.

Do you think he’ll be scoring anywhere near that rate when he’s 36?
Assuming they sign the core to long term deals, they need to add players that will be close to their peak yrs when the team is poised to go long playoff runs. In three yrs the cap should sufficiently increase to build solid depth.

If they don’t sign long term and take too much of the cap assuring they can’t win, then bring in whoever and be a good regular season team.

Maybe that’s their goal.

 

[PromisedLand]

Marner and his disgusting AAV out of the Leafs for something meaningful at lower AAV

DO IT Treliving. Marner is not Maple Leaf material

 

[Mess]

Marner and his disgusting AAV out of the Leafs for something meaningful at lower AAV

DO IT Treliving. Marner is not Maple Leaf material

Marner is 26 making $10.9 mil X 2 more years and then looking for a nice raise.

Yesterday I suggested Clayton Keller from Arizona as a principle in trade for Marner. Keller is also and undersized winger but his just 24 and has 5 years remaining at $7.125 mil.

Last year Marner finished 12th overall in scoring .. 81 games 30 goals 69 assists 99 points (on one of the highest scoring teams 279 GF) vs Keller who finished 21st overall 82 games 37 goals 49 assists 86 points (on one of the lowest scoring teams 228 goals for). If you simply flipped those players and teams you expect those stats to also flip and Leafs could get just as much offense at a much lower price point.

Think of the cap savings alone $10.9 mil - $7.125 mil = $3.775 mil for the next 2 years and then much more after Marner's next contract kicks in.

Advantages: Matthews knows Keller, as they played together in the U.S. National Under-18 development team as does Shane Doan working in player development in Arizona with Keller.

 

[Trapper]

Marner is 26 making $10.9 mil X 2 more years and then looking for a nice raise.

Yesterday I suggested Clayton Keller from Arizona as a principle in trade for Marner. Keller is also and undersized winger but his just 24 and has 5 years remaining at $7.125 mil.

Last year Marner finished 12th overall in scoring .. 81 games 30 goals 69 assists 99 points (on one of the highest scoring teams 279 GF) vs Keller who finished 21st overall 82 games 37 goals 49 assists 86 points (on one of the lowest scoring teams 228 goals for). If you simply flipped those players and teams you expect those stats to also flip and Leafs could get just as much offense at a much lower price point.

Think of the cap savings alone $10.9 mil - $7.125 mil = $3.775 mil for the next 2 years and then much more after Marner's next contract kicks in.

Advantages: Matthews knows Keller, as they played together in the U.S. National Under-18 development team as does Shane Doan working in player development in Arizona with Keller.

Make the call Mess.
I’m 100% on board with the plan.

 

[keonsbitterness]

If Leafs could magically swap Tavares for Karlsson at Zero Cap increase/impact Leafs could be that team.

Leafs under the former GM built one of the lowest scoring Dcores in the NHL, and the asking those players to be a part of the secondary scoring needed around the core 4 to offset using 1/2 a teams Cap on them. Outside of Mo Riells it was a Ghost town in terms of getting goals from the defense in the playoffs. This has to be an Era Treliving has to address with major changes.

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A 25 goals & 101 point Dman would look really nice on Leafs defense.

Best season of Karlsson's career should get a team better than 60 points. That's not even close to a bubble team. At least our guys always make the playoffs.

 

[Dog]

Brad Treliving has a reputation of building from the backend out and as such I expect a major overhaul of Leafs current defense core.

I wouldn't mind if he went back to his Flames as a source and considered the smooth skating Hanifin and/or the big physical 6-6/240 lb Nikita Zadorov to upgrade the Leafs in trade.

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I be interested in Weeger or Andersson(no way they trade Rasmus though). So Weeger+ for Nylander? That + probably have to be high end pick. Maybe flip leafs 28th overall for Flames pick at 17 overall included. We move up 11 spots might make it fair. Have feeling there will be a Leaf/Flames trade coming as don't see Treliving just not making trade to old team to get player(s) he wants.

 

[3blizzard4]

Didn’t Kellers parents voice open disappointment about the Arizona areana decision? He might have even demanded a trade outta there quietly.

 

[PromisedLand]

Marner is 26 making $10.9 mil X 2 more years and then looking for a nice raise.

Yesterday I suggested Clayton Keller from Arizona as a principle in trade for Marner. Keller is also and undersized winger but his just 24 and has 5 years remaining at $7.125 mil.

Last year Marner finished 12th overall in scoring .. 81 games 30 goals 69 assists 99 points (on one of the highest scoring teams 279 GF) vs Keller who finished 21st overall 82 games 37 goals 49 assists 86 points (on one of the lowest scoring teams 228 goals for). If you simply flipped those players and teams you expect those stats to also flip and Leafs could get just as much offense at a much lower price point.

Think of the cap savings alone $10.9 mil - $7.125 mil = $3.775 mil for the next 2 years and then much more after Marner's next contract kicks in.

Advantages: Matthews knows Keller, as they played together in the U.S. National Under-18 development team as does Shane Doan working in player development in Arizona with Keller.

I don;'t mind that trade at all. One should note that Marner's production is also propped up by other players on the roster, there are no guarantees that marner would produce at the similar clip if hypothetical swap happened with keller.

Keller's cap hit is digestible in the long run; I'd do that trade in a heart beat and I think Keller's production will see an increase compared to his production with the yotes.

I think Yotes can be convinced to do that trade as they get Marner for cheaper as most of his salary has been paid; and they can either re-negotiate with Marner or trade him themselves. Marner will also help them reaching cap floor while not spending as much on his salary.

Marner for Keller+ should be looked at IMO

if by some miracle Treliving can do Marner+Murray for Keller + pick/roster player that would be great too!

 

[So Very Frustrated]

Marner is 26 making $10.9 mil X 2 more years and then looking for a nice raise.

Yesterday I suggested Clayton Keller from Arizona as a principle in trade for Marner. Keller is also and undersized winger but his just 24 and has 5 years remaining at $7.125 mil.

Last year Marner finished 12th overall in scoring .. 81 games 30 goals 69 assists 99 points (on one of the highest scoring teams 279 GF) vs Keller who finished 21st overall 82 games 37 goals 49 assists 86 points (on one of the lowest scoring teams 228 goals for). If you simply flipped those players and teams you expect those stats to also flip and Leafs could get just as much offense at a much lower price point.

Think of the cap savings alone $10.9 mil - $7.125 mil = $3.775 mil for the next 2 years and then much more after Marner's next contract kicks in.

Advantages: Matthews knows Keller, as they played together in the U.S. National Under-18 development team as does Shane Doan working in player development in Arizona with Keller.

We shouldn’t forget Mariner’s defensive impact versus Keller

 

[Mess]

We shouldn’t forget Mariner’s defensive impact versus Keller

Think of the possibilities for team improvement including defensively, beyond the winger swap that essentially returns similar production but creates +$3.775 mil cap space instantly.

You let Justin Holl walk @$2 mil and suddenly you have cap space to bring in a $5.775 mil top 4 pairing Dman to offset any defensive impact loss on the winger swap.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Marner is 26 making $10.9 mil X 2 more years and then looking for a nice raise.

Yesterday I suggested Clayton Keller from Arizona as a principle in trade for Marner. Keller is also and undersized winger but his just 24 and has 5 years remaining at $7.125 mil.

Last year Marner finished 12th overall in scoring .. 81 games 30 goals 69 assists 99 points (on one of the highest scoring teams 279 GF) vs Keller who finished 21st overall 82 games 37 goals 49 assists 86 points (on one of the lowest scoring teams 228 goals for). If you simply flipped those players and teams you expect those stats to also flip and Leafs could get just as much offense at a much lower price point.

Think of the cap savings alone $10.9 mil - $7.125 mil = $3.775 mil for the next 2 years and then much more after Marner's next contract kicks in.

Advantages: Matthews knows Keller, as they played together in the U.S. National Under-18 development team as does Shane Doan working in player development in Arizona with Keller.

100% make this trade...let's see how much Mitchy Superstar likes playing in an empty college barn lol.

Think of the possibilities for team improvement including defensively, beyond the winger swap that essentially returns similar production but creates +$3.775 mil cap space instantly.

You let Justin Holl walk @$2 mil and suddenly you have cap space to bring in a $5.775 mil top 4 pairing Dman to offset any defensive impact loss on the winger swap.

Keller also can shoot, putting him beside Matthews would open up options. Right now everyone on the planet knows Marner is passing to #34.

 

[ToneDog]

Think of the possibilities for team improvement including defensively, beyond the winger swap that essentially returns similar production but creates +$3.775 mil cap space instantly.

You let Justin Holl walk @$2 mil and suddenly you have cap space to bring in a $5.775 mil top 4 pairing Dman to offset any defensive impact loss on the winger swap.

I doubt Zona would have any interest in an $11m winger who most likely bolts in two years unless they can find an interested 3rd team that could trade them futures for Skip.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yes let's trade the 99 point winger that is also up for selke trophy that's great plan.

Holy f***

 

[Stephen]

Yes let's trade the 99 point winger that is also up for selke trophy that's great plan.

Holy f***

Is there really a problem with trading a high value asset if you get a high value return though?

The only problem with this concept is the previous manager who open talked about being scared to lose a trade.