What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[Fogelhund]

If you're looking to replace David Kampf as your 3rd line C then it shouldn't cost much more than they were paying him. IMO

Let's pretend for a second that he'd agree to a $1.5 mil deal. Is that the answer for the Leafs to be tougher to play against, on the odd chance he isn't injured and misses the playoffs anyway?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I have thought it about. I thought about the 1D and 1G since before they signed Tavares , but unfortunately the Leafs management hasn’t.

You haven't thought about it enough.

Again who is this magical D man, if he does exist why in the bluest of blue hells would his current team trade him?

 

[Nineteen67]

You haven't thought about it enough.

Again who is this magical D man, if he does exist why in the bluest of blue hells would his current team trade him?

Youd just give up? You sound like Dubas.

I don’t know every team‘s minor league system but I‘d look at team that believes theyre a contender.

 

[Fogelhund]

Youd just give up? You sound like Dubas.

I don’t know every team‘s minor league system but I‘d look at team that believes theyre a contender.

I have thought it about. I thought about the 1D and 1G since before they signed Tavares , but unfortunately the Leafs management hasn’t.

So, you've thought about it... but haven't come up with a single name, and think there could be a future Norris winner hiding in some team's minor league system? D-men aren't very projectable as prospects, so at best you are taking a giant leap, hoping for it to work out, and usually it doesn't. It's also weird that you'd suggest someone doubting you is giving up.

There are multiple challenges... knowing who is available....

Again, we don't make changes, for the sake of change, and appeasing a fan base.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Again, we don't make changes, for the sake of change, and appeasing a fan base.

Usually when a team fails repeatedly in the playoffs changes are made
There is no change for the sake of.change here.
Wasted years running it back and fans still accept it

 

[Fogelhund]

Usually when a team fails repeatedly in the playoffs changes are made
There is no change for the sake of.change here
Wasted years running it back and fans still accept it

Oh ya...

GM changed
Goalies all changed
Six players left from three years ago total.

BuT nO CHaNGES mADE!!

 

[Nineteen67]

So, you've thought about it... but haven't come up with a single name, and think there could be a future Norris winner hiding in some team's minor league system? D-men aren't very projectable as prospects, so at best you are taking a giant leap, hoping for it to work out, and usually it doesn't. It's also weird that you'd suggest someone doubting you is giving up.

There are multiple challenges... knowing who is available....

Again, we don't make changes, for the sake of change, and appeasing a fan base.

You don’t make changes for the sake of making changes, you do it to build a team. If you want a contender you better have a balanced team .
Since they day they drafted Matthews finding a top pairing D and #1 goalie has been priority one and two, and 7 years later they’re still looking.

It’s probably too late for this core, but maybe they could make a change for the sake of winning.

 

[GoonieFace]

Oh ya...

GM changed
Goalies all changed
Six players left from three years ago total.

BuT nO CHaNGES mADE!!

I think you’re missing the point. They need to move off one of either Marner or Matthews. Can’t afford to pay them both big bucks. They need to invest that cap in either another stud D or more physical type player that can still add offense. They just need a different dynamic

 

[Nineteen67]

Usually when a team fails repeatedly in the playoffs changes are made
There is no change for the sake of.change here.
Wasted years running it back and fans still accept it

Change for the sake of change only applies to filling the holes that have been gapping for the past 7 years.

 

[Fogelhund]

You don’t make changes for the sake of making changes, you do it to build a team. If you want a contender you better have a balanced team .
Since they day they drafted Matthews finding a top pairing D and #1 goalie has been priority one and two, and 7 years later they’re still looking.

It’s probably too late for this core, but maybe they could make a change for the sake of winning.

So you think someone in the minors somewhere, is the key? It's just not... D take time to develop normally.. so it would take years and years for them to be that good... if you got lucky.

Nah.. finding a top pairing D, and #1 goalie isn't priority one... the goalies they have are good enough, and finding the right complimentary guy for Rielly is priority one... and that doesn't need to be a top pairing D. I think Treliving will find an upgrade for the second pair though, and that might just mean moving on from Brodie.

I really don't care who they trade, even one of the big four, but it actually has to make the team better... Balance is good...

 

[The Iceman]

I think you’re missing the point. They need to move off one of either Marner or Matthews. Can’t afford to pay them both big bucks. They need to invest that cap in either another stud D or more physical type player that can still add offense. They just need a different dynamic

I think filling in the cracks might be the way to go until JTs deal is off the books.
Maybe get a little bigger on D and buy a ticket to the playoff lottery.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think you’re missing the point. They need to move off one of either Marner or Matthews. Can’t afford to pay them both big bucks. They need to invest that cap in either another stud D or more physical type player that can still add offense. They just need a different dynamic

They don't NEED to, that's just your opinion. Much of this depends on the next contracts, and the salary cap. The Salary cap should be $92 million in 25/26, If you assume we keep all four, on new contracts... what's that look like Matthews $13 mil, Marner $12 mil, Nylander $9 mil, Tavares $5 mil? That's the same total dollars as today.. but with an extra nearly $10 mil on a better supporting cast.

If the right deal came along though... of course you look at it. If Keller demanded out of Arizona, and you could pick up Keller and McBain for Marner... sure... you open up all kinds of cap, and don't lose much in quality. You also pick up a guy who will be that physical type, good defensively, cost controlled for a 3C too.

But forcing a trade.. we are going to lose, and the team will be worse for it. You wait for opportunity.

If Calgary wants to keep Lindholm and Hanifin, maybe they consider moving Weegar... Weegar was a Treliving contract.. Weegar would be a guy who would upgrade the second pairing, solid guy when he's not THE guy.

This premise that WE MUST move out one of the four is false though.

 

[GoonieFace]

They don't NEED to, that's just your opinion. Much of this depends on the next contracts, and the salary cap. The Salary cap should be $92 million in 25/26, If you assume we keep all four, on new contracts... what's that look like Matthews $13 mil, Marner $12 mil, Nylander $9 mil, Tavares $5 mil? That's the same total dollars as today.. but with an extra nearly $10 mil on a better supporting cast.

If the right deal came along though... of course you look at it. If Keller demanded out of Arizona, and you could pick up Keller and McBain for Marner... sure... you open up all kinds of cap, and don't lose much in quality. You also pick up a guy who will be that physical type, good defensively, cost controlled for a 3C too.

But forcing a trade.. we are going to lose, and the team will be worse for it. You wait for opportunity.

If Calgary wants to keep Lindholm and Hanifin, maybe they consider moving Weegar... Weegar was a Treliving contract.. Weegar would be a guy who would upgrade the second pairing, solid guy when he's not THE guy.

This premise that WE MUST move out one of the four is false though.

Nobody is saying force a trade, but make a trade that improves the team in other areas. If that trade doesn’t exist, than so be it. But paying Marner $12 mil seems like a terrible idea. He’s a regular season dynamo that doesn’t have that extra gear come playoff time

 

[Dog]

They don't NEED to, that's just your opinion. Much of this depends on the next contracts, and the salary cap. The Salary cap should be $92 million in 25/26, If you assume we keep all four, on new contracts... what's that look like Matthews $13 mil, Marner $12 mil, Nylander $9 mil, Tavares $5 mil? That's the same total dollars as today.. but with an extra nearly $10 mil on a better supporting cast.

If the right deal came along though... of course you look at it. If Keller demanded out of Arizona, and you could pick up Keller and McBain for Marner... sure... you open up all kinds of cap, and don't lose much in quality. You also pick up a guy who will be that physical type, good defensive controlled for a 3C too.

But forcing a trade.. we are going to lose.

They don't NEED to, that's just your opinion. Much of this depends on the next contracts, and the salary cap. The Salary cap should be $92 million in 25/26, If you assume we keep all four, on new contracts... what's that look like Matthews $13 mil, Marner $12 mil, Nylander $9 mil, Tavares $5 mil? That's the same total dollars as today.. but with an extra nearly $10 mil on a better supporting cast.

If the right deal came along though... of course you look at it. If Keller demanded out of Arizona, and you could pick up Keller and McBain for Marner... sure... you open up all kinds of cap, and don't lose much in quality. You also pick up a guy who will be that physical type, good defensively, cost controlled for a 3C too.

But forcing a trade.. we are going to lose, and the team will be worse for it. You wait for opportunity.

If Calgary wants to keep Lindholm and Hanifin, maybe they consider moving Weegar... Weegar was a Treliving contract.. Weegar would be a guy who would upgrade the second pairing, solid guy when he's not THE guy.

This premise that WE MUST move out one of the four is false though.

Weegar be a good player to bring in I was interested in him since he left Panthers. Treliving probably could make a deal that would work.

 

[Fogelhund]

Nobody is saying force a trade, but make a trade that improves the team in other areas. If that trade doesn’t exist, than so be it. But paying Marner $12 mil seems like a terrible idea. He’s a regular season dynamo that doesn’t have that extra gear come playoff time

Marner's main problem this year, was Matthews shooting. The biggest concern on this team is Matthews wrist, not Marner's playoff performance.

Had Matthews continued his historic shooting rate, he would have scored about 5 more goals. Marner would have assisted on those, in all probability. Then Marner has 19 points in 11 games.... Think about that for a second.

But we both know that Matthews shooting wasn't to his expectations.. and CJ has suggested that the Leafs are looking at all options for Matthews, including surgery this off season. The big concern is Matthews shooting... and that's it... I'm not one to make excuses, but Matthews wrist is the main reason we lost. If it's fixable, and we can depend on it going forward, you roll the same group out... if Matthews wrist continues to be a problem, the team isn't going anywhere anyway... that's just a simple fact. I don't care who you trade out, who you trade in... if your "Elite 1C", ceases to have that elite skill that makes him elite... it's over.

 

[Sypher04]

Marner's main problem this year, was Matthews shooting. The biggest concern on this team is Matthews wrist, not Marner's playoff performance.

Had Matthews continued his historic shooting rate, he would have scored about 5 more goals. Marner would have assisted on those, in all probability. Then Marner has 19 points in 11 games.... Think about that for a second.

But we both know that Matthews shooting wasn't to his expectations.. and CJ has suggested that the Leafs are looking at all options for Matthews, including surgery this off season. The big concern is Matthews shooting... and that's it... I'm not one to make excuses, but Matthews wrist is the main reason we lost. If it's fixable, and we can depend on it going forward, you roll the same group out... if Matthews wrist continues to be a problem, the team isn't going anywhere anyway... that's just a simple fact. I don't care who you trade out, who you trade in... if your "Elite 1C", ceases to have that elite skill that makes him elite... it's over.

Good post. Not sure I’d lay it all on Matthews not scoring as the main reason as there are plenty of other players on this team who were capable of chipping in some goals (including Marner) that also didn’t, but the overall points is fair

 

[Dog]

Good post. Not sure I’d lay it all on Matthews not scoring as the main reason as there are plenty of other players on this team who were capable of chipping in some goals (including Marner) that also didn’t, but the overall points is fair

It was a factor but not all of the reasons for failure in 2nd round. We have to be proud/happy that we got out of the 1st round now it means we are capable of more in the playoffs. Think next season we might be able to get through 2nd round. We need to bring back O'Reilly +
Acciari and upgrade with defensively d-man. O'Reilly is the key we need for deep playoff run.

 

[Leaf Fans]

~675 k this year and
~2.6 million next.

6875k this year
2 M next year for Toronto.

Actual dollars or cap dollars?

Cap.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Marner's main problem this year, was Matthews shooting. The biggest concern on this team is Matthews wrist, not Marner's playoff performance.

Had Matthews continued his historic shooting rate, he would have scored about 5 more goals. Marner would have assisted on those, in all probability. Then Marner has 19 points in 11 games.... Think about that for a second.

But we both know that Matthews shooting wasn't to his expectations.. and CJ has suggested that the Leafs are looking at all options for Matthews, including surgery this off season. The big concern is Matthews shooting... and that's it... I'm not one to make excuses, but Matthews wrist is the main reason we lost. If it's fixable, and we can depend on it going forward, you roll the same group out... if Matthews wrist continues to be a problem, the team isn't going anywhere anyway... that's just a simple fact. I don't care who you trade out, who you trade in... if your "Elite 1C", ceases to have that elite skill that makes him elite... it's over.

Marner at 11 mill shouldn't need all this support around him to succeed
The MM apologists on this forum is astounding

 

[BallardEra]

It was a factor but not all of the reasons for failure in 2nd round. We have to be proud/happy that we got out of the 1st round now it means we are capable of more in the playoffs. Think next season we might be able to get through 2nd round. We need to bring back O'Reilly +
Acciari and upgrade with defensively d-man. O'Reilly is the key we need for deep playoff run.

Many have been saying that O'Reilly never had any plans of staying on with the Leafs. Even in his last presser he sounded like a guy who wasn't coming back.

 

[Dog]

I think the Leafs could afford him they probably won't resign Bunting, Kerfoot, and Holl. Make zero sense to not bring him back.

 

[Nineteen67]

So you think someone in the minors somewhere, is the key? It's just not... D take time to develop normally.. so it would take years and years for them to be that good... if you got lucky.

Nah.. finding a top pairing D, and #1 goalie isn't priority one... the goalies they have are good enough, and finding the right complimentary guy for Rielly is priority one... and that doesn't need to be a top pairing D. I think Treliving will find an upgrade for the second pair though, and that might just mean moving on from Brodie.

I really don't care who they trade, even one of the big four, but it actually has to make the team better... Balance is good...

It'll take them a couple of yrs to rebuild the team. The window is in 3 to 6 yrs from now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Youd just give up? You sound like Dubas.

I don’t know every team‘s minor league system but I‘d look at team that believes theyre a contender.

So basically you can't give me ONE name.

So your answer is trade Marner for magic beans.

 

[Nineteen67]

So basically you can't give me ONE name.

So your answer is trade Marner for magic beans.

owen power is a name.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

owen power is a name.

And he's very very not available