Speculation: Canes needs to contend

[Big Daddy Cane]

It's great that they are involved with big names but at some point, you need to figure it out. Rantanen was whatever but Guentzel fit there perfectly and they let him walk. They always seem to be involved but they never actually pull the trigger and make tough moves.

Rantanen is evidence to the contrary. The safe play was the status quo; Necas had an extra year of control. They went for it instead. Unfortunately, he didn't want to be there and produced like it. There wasn't much of a choice but to try again later.

If you want to criticize Carolina management for something, it's the botched Guentzel negotiation. Otherwise, they recognize the problem and have tried to fix it.

 

[NYRnine94]

Rantanen is evidence to the contrary. The safe play was the status quo; Necas had an extra year of control. They went for it instead. Unfortunately, he didn't want to be there and produced like it. There wasn't much of a choice but to try again later.

If you want to criticize Carolina management for something, it's the botched Guentzel negotiation. Otherwise, they recognize the problem and have tried to fix it.

But what exactly happened with Guentzel? Did they have a certain amount they were willing to pay him?

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Either way. Neither guy has ever had a career Huberdeau year.

I just more less meant it in a way where Canes make a massive trade or 2 involving a player that nobody would ever think would be traded in an attempt to try something new.

Florida was already a good team but Zito knew something just needed to be done to go from a real good team(like FLA was and Canes currently are) to a powerhouse team (that FLA currently is)

FLA could have easily just sat back and continue to make playoffs and last a round or 2 like the Canes currently do but he decided to show why he is a top GM and change things up

 

[BKarchitect]

I just more less meant it in a way where Canes make a massive trade or 2 involving a player that nobody would ever think would be traded in an attempt to try something new.

Florida was already a good team but Zito knew something just needed to be done to go from a real good team(like FLA was and Canes currently are) to a powerhouse team (that FLA currently is)

FLA could have easily just sat back and continue to make playoffs and last a round or 2 like the Canes currently do but he decided to show why he is a top GM and change things up

I wouldn’t call making moves for Guentzel and Rantanen “sitting back”. Not sure many teams have gone bigger the last couple seasons with trades than that. It seems like the Canes have actually made the moves, they just haven’t turned into a lasting difference.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

But what exactly happened with Guentzel? Did they have a certain amount they were willing to pay him?

They thought they have more leverage to negotiate than they actually had. By the time they met his asking price, he decided to go elsewhere. FAFO.

The aggressiveness with Rantanen was a response to that. No indication that the offer wasn't good enough.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I wouldn’t call making moves for Guentzel and Rantanen “sitting back”. Not sure many teams have gone bigger the last couple seasons with trades than that. It seems like the Canes have actually made the moves, they just haven’t turned into a lasting difference.

That’s true.. I always forget about that they had Guentzel for that short period of time.

But ya, for whatever reason those 2 acquisitions didn’t really turn out

 

[Chainshot]

I wonder if they OS Peterka if they can’t sign Marner as a UFA?

 

[KingsFan7824]

I just more less meant it in a way where Canes make a massive trade or 2 involving a player that nobody would ever think would be traded in an attempt to try something new.

Florida was already a good team but Zito knew something just needed to be done to go from a real good team(like FLA was and Canes currently are) to a powerhouse team (that FLA currently is)

FLA could have easily just sat back and continue to make playoffs and last a round or 2 like the Canes currently do but he decided to show why he is a top GM and change things up

They took advantage of Tkachuk wanting out of Calgary, but that's not a scenario that happens all the time. Normally, nobody is trading a younger star player, for an older star player, who needs a new late 20's/early 30's contract. You can't expect that. If Tkachuk wants to stay a Flame, the Flames do not make that trade.

Making it worse is that Calgary ownership never wants to rebuild, so they accepted a bad trade. If you have to trade Tkachuk, and losing Gaudreau in free agency at the same time, you're burning it down. You're getting younger assets for Tkachuk. Getting older and more expensive is beyond dumb, but that's a Calgary problem.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Carolina offered Calgary Necas pre-bridge. So, 4 years of control minimum. The Flames could have signed him for longer.

Think about that alternate timeline. Carolina gets the game changer and Florida doesn't.

No truth to Brady Tkachuk trade rumors, but does Martin Necas want out of Carolina?

The Senators confirmed they have zero intention of trading their captain. Are the Hurricanes, on the other hand, listening on Necas?

www.nytimes.com

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Chicago will not be in the Aaron Ekblad market

Probably not but you never know

 

[Tryamw]

Demko wouldn’t be the answer. He’s as fragile as Andersen.

We would have 2 guys out half the season what could go wrong.. besides having to play our fifth goalie

 

[Mpirone12]

Common agreement here is Canes need a franchise goalie. What rebuilding team would be open to trading their goalie and what would it take? Canes have 3 first round picks and 3 second round picks the next 2 years.

Gibson?

 

[AvStock]

I’ve warmed up to Marner. Not the ideal star when you already have smaller core players like Aho and Jarvis, but beggars can’t be choosers at a point. Use Blake and/Stankoven to address other weaknesses via trade.

Why in the world would you trade Stank when he’s built for the playoffs and one of the only dudes who showed up for you?

 

[Anaheim4ever]

They miss 6'3 Necas more than they realize.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

They miss 6'3 Necas more than they realize.

That's just now true.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Why in the world would you trade Stank when he’s built for the playoffs and one of the only dudes who showed up for you?

Have to give to get. I’m talking about Noah Dobson-type get.

Canes have multiple areas of need that would be asset intensive to address via trade. Elite skill, Top Pair RHD, Top 6 forward with size, 2C.

 

[BB88]

Either way. Neither guy has ever had a career Huberdeau year.

Sure but replacing a winger is much easier than trying to upgrade at 1C

You could also argue that Aho has had a better career than Hubs. If Hubs was the leader in Carolina I highly doubt he’d be doing the same or better work than Aho

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

They took advantage of Tkachuk wanting out of Calgary, but that's not a scenario that happens all the time. Normally, nobody is trading a younger star player, for an older star player, who needs a new late 20's/early 30's contract. You can't expect that. If Tkachuk wants to stay a Flame, the Flames do not make that trade.

Making it worse is that Calgary ownership never wants to rebuild, so they accepted a bad trade. If you have to trade Tkachuk, and losing Gaudreau in free agency at the same time, you're burning it down. You're getting younger assets for Tkachuk. Getting older and more expensive is beyond dumb, but that's a Calgary problem.

The Canes offered Necas, a 1st, and one of their top prospects for Tkachuk, which was the deal Treliving wanted. But yeah, Flames ownership shot it down.

 

[trick9]

Ekblad making less than Neal Pionk and just 3 years?

Good luck with that.

 

[Legion34]

Thing is though, Marner is a pretty damned good 2-way player. I think he'd fit RBA's system well while providing that high-end offensive talent that Carolina needs.


That said -- I'm 100% fine if Marner goes out West. Hell, I'm hoping for it.

Marner is very east-west play up high in. T

You miss the point

He’s Carolina style player to a T, but what Canes need is a change

They need to bring in different style of players, not more of what they already got 20 of

They need to look at themselves the same way Tampa did before they won their Cup and Florida before they won their Cups

He’s not even really a “Carolina player”.

He plays defense sure. But he doesn’t for check really. He stays high in the offensive zone, likes to go east west a lot.

From what I see. Carolina is hard forechecking puck retrieval. Straight lines spamming shots. Marner likes to dance around the edges. He never goes to the net. Is never in front of the net.

He literally plays ppqb because that’s where he gets his offence from.

It would be an interesting match. I don’t think it would work with rod. But that’s me

 

[Peterpuck7810]

Dont want anything to do with Demko.we dont need another injury prone goalie. Petterson seems like a head case and locker room cancer. #2 C is our biggest need, but next to impossible to find.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Looking at the lineup you posted that 3C spot is a problem

 

[DaveG]

Looking at the lineup you posted that 3C spot is a problem

based on that yeah, but the 3rd line in all actuality would end up being the Staal line which is more than fine as a 3rd line.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

based on that yeah, but the 3rd line in all actuality would end up being the Staal line which is more than fine as a 3rd line.

That's what I thought but that's not what was posted.

 

[Chrispy]

I wonder if they OS Peterka if they can’t sign Marner as a UFA?

If Carolina is considering an offer sheet you’ll see them re-acquire their 2026 3rd from Utah.

Not having your own 3rd round pick removes a lot of offer sheet options.