What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[rumman]

Actually, hockey is now considered entertainment - not sport. Those days are long gone. Bettman has the Nhl rigged via the Refs & he/and whoever determine outcomes to facilitate the "sports" growth in the US of A where it ranks behind tractor pulling......Canada dosent seem to matter. One growing grass roots trend that is sweeping the US is severe financial backlash....I dont have to name the companies...I'd like the same to happen to MLSE so their shareholders can revolt & really wake them up. Everyone is in a daze....us fans have to live through this sh#t....it boggles my mind....


Agreed 100%....he should be gone

Completely agree…….

 

[Trapper]

Love the deal but we don't have "whatever picks" are needed to get Winnipeg to bite.

Nylander > Ehlers

Helley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sammy

Robertson has zero value

Not sure if Jets would be interested in an old, declining veteran dman given they are probably taking a step back.

I’d start with Marner to LA for Kempe. Exchange for some size and speed. 40 goal scorer, can play the wall, drive the net.
3 years left at 5.5. We can give Matthews a new contract, wait for Tavares contract to expire.

 

[rumman]

Anyone remember Mike Gartner?

Best skater I ever saw in person, his accelleration was ridiculous……….

 

[ToneDog]

I’d start with Marner to LA for Kempe. Exchange for some size and speed. 40 goal scorer, can play the wall, drive the net.
3 years left at 5.5. We can give Matthews a new contract, wait for Tavares contract to expire.

I'd do Kempe and Clarke for Marner. The Marner fanboys will want more or not even consider trading him. LOL.

 

[TMLAM34]

I love Matthews, he’s one of my favourite Leafs of all-time but if he wants 14/15 million a year after going through these past 5 years where Marner, Tavares and himself have handcuffed the team so hard financially in order to properly build a serious Stanley Cup team then it’s an easy decision for me by trading him unfortunately.

 

[Trapper]

I'd do Kempe and Clarke for Marner. The Marner fanboys will want more or not even consider trading him. LOL.

Throw in a Pete Davidson autograph from Hollywood then if it makes them feel better. But Marner would go and the restructure would begin.

 

[ToneDog]

I love Matthews, he’s one of my favourite Leafs of all-time but if he wants 14/15 million a year after going through these past 5 years where Marner, Tavares and himself have handcuffed the team so hard financially in order to properly build a serious Stanley Cup team then it’s an easy decision for me by trading him unfortunately.

24 days to d-day. Tick, tick, tick, tick .....

 

[Notsince67]

I'd do Kempe and Clarke for Marner. The Marner fanboys will want more or not even consider trading him. LOL.

Awful trade. Trade Marner for a player who only just beat his rookie year in points and Clarke doesn't help the leafs for a long time.
Not sure what is with you and the fire sale. If you trade him, you get a lot more.
It was rumored the leafs asked for Seider in exchange for Nylander. That trade would be huge and I put Seider as a higher value than Kempe & Clark right now. Seider has huge upside in the next 2-3 years
Before you go off on accusing people of being fan boys instead of just fans, how about proposing a trade that actually helps the Leafs? There should be strategy at actually going further instead of rebuilding the whole team.

 

[thusk]

So what is your point ??

Just about people complaining about Matthews didn't made enough and hes loser or whatever but if the problem is just not there...

-Leafs didn't won a single playoff game in 2 year when matthews and marner didn,t on scoresheet

- number of game won when matthews/marner duo didn't help to bring at least 2 goal 2 in 18...

I dont know how we can expect to go far if we just cant win without Matthews /marner helping to bring at least 2 goal by game and its on those player big part of blame is going

 

[ToneDog]

Awful trade. Trade Marner for a player who only just beat his rookie year in points and Clarke doesn't help the leafs for a long time.
Not sure what is with you and the fire sale. If you trade him, you get a lot more.
It was rumored the leafs asked for Seider in exchange for Nylander. That trade would be huge and I put Seider as a higher value than Kempe & Clark right now. Seider has huge upside in the next 2-3 years
Before you go off on accusing people of being fan boys instead of just fans, how about proposing a trade that actually helps the Leafs? There should be strategy at actually going further instead of rebuilding the whole team.

Agreed. Trapper proposed Kempe for Marner. I thought that was not enough and added Clarke who was #8OA in 2021 and probably their best prospect. You also have to consider saving 5.5m in cap space. Perhaps you can get more but it is all hearsay because they are not trading Marner. Nylander for Seider ?? Maybe Dubas does that. Not Stevie Y.

 

[thewave]

Agreed. Trapper proposed Kempe for Marner. I thought that was not enough and added Clarke who was #8OA in 2021 and probably their best prospect. You also have to consider saving 5.5m in cap space. Perhaps you can get more but it is all hearsay because they are not trading Marner. Nylander for Seider ?? Maybe Dubas does that. Not Stevie Y.

They may want us to retain which would cut into the cap savings.

 

[justashadowof]

Kempe: A 35-40 goal scorer locked in for 3 more years at $5.5M. That's an asset that's higher value. Thumbs up.
Clarke: Not very far away from being a RH stud at the NHL level and probably ready to play at some capacity in the mean time. Perfect asset to acquire. Thumbs up.
$5M in cap space remaining for the next 3 seasons: Maybe enough to sign Matt Dumba. Thumbs up.

 

[ToneDog]

They may want us to retain which would cut into the cap savings.

Agree, I was thinking LA would throw in a contract to make the money closer but then LA would have to add. Eich returned Tuch, Krebs, a player and first with 5 years remaining. Marner should return similar or a little less given he only has two years remaining.

 

[Nineteen67]

Last season Mackinnon
goal/ 60 v 1,03 pts/60: 2,32
Pp goal/60 3,87 ppp/60 6,44

2019 Oreilly
goal/60 1,07 ppp/60 2,45
0,77 ppg/60 , 3,84 ppp/60

2018 Ovechkin
1,30 goal/60 2,43 pts/60
3,54 ppg/60 6,46 ppp/60

2016-2017 Crosby
goal/60 : 0,57 pts/60: 2,04
Ppg/60 : 2,59 ppp/60 : 6,67

Matthews last 2
1,17 goal/60 2,34 pts/60
Ppg/60 1.68 ppp/60 5.05

Keefe’s PP.

 

[ToneDog]

Kempe: A 35-40 goal scorer locked in for 3 more years at $5.5M. That's an asset that's higher value. Thumbs up.
Clarke: Not very far away from being a RH stud at the NHL level and probably ready to play at some capacity in the mean time. Perfect asset to acquire. Thumbs up.
$5M in cap space remaining for the next 3 seasons: Maybe enough to sign Matt Dumba. Thumbs up.

IMO I thought it was fail and said Marner fanboys would want more. Hopefully they are right but we are just fans talking hockey.

 

[Nineteen67]

If matthews wants 15 m for 3 years
Fire his ass out if town
We already made him one of the richest young players in the game playing for the biggest market in the league
Time to show these guys its a privilege to play for this team

That type of money, for a player of his ability, is for a market that needs to build a fanbase, build up the sport and promote a team.
That doesn’t leave very many markets.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Awful trade. Trade Marner for a player who only just beat his rookie year in points and Clarke doesn't help the leafs for a long time.
Not sure what is with you and the fire sale. If you trade him, you get a lot more.
It was rumored the leafs asked for Seider in exchange for Nylander. That trade would be huge and I put Seider as a higher value than Kempe & Clark right now. Seider has huge upside in the next 2-3 years
Before you go off on accusing people of being fan boys instead of just fans, how about proposing a trade that actually helps the Leafs? There should be strategy at actually going further instead of rebuilding the whole team.

Notice how the only reason you give for not trading Marner is regular season related? Kempe >>>>> Marner quite easily in the playoffs.

 

[Trapper]

Agreed. Trapper proposed Kempe for Marner. I thought that was not enough and added Clarke who was #8OA in 2021 and probably their best prospect. You also have to consider saving 5.5m in cap space. Perhaps you can get more but it is all hearsay because they are not trading Marner. Nylander for Seider ?? Maybe Dubas does that. Not Stevie Y.

People want a Draisaitl or Makar for Marner. Never going to happen. You are changing the culture, changing the way we play in the regular season and playoffs, bringing the Cap back in line that was skewered, re-signing Matthews, gaining flexibility, etc. with the moves.

 

[justashadowof]

IMO I thought it was fail and said Marner fanboys would want more. Hopefully they are right but we are just fans talking hockey.

The truth is I'm a bit of a Marner fanboy but the consequences of that trade (including re-investing the cap money on the defense) is exactly what needs to happen to this team.

 

[Captain Crunch]

If the contract extension talks go poorly with Nylander, I would guess him.

If not, I imagine we will move out a defenseman and bring in someone with a different blend. By all accounts, it sounds like our defense is going to get priority.

I really like Brodie but I wonder if he is the guy we move to change up the mix. Most significant piece with a decent prize tag that we reasonably move. That is under the assumption that Rielly isn’t moving.

If the Brodie we saw towards the end of the regular season and in the playoffs, is the real Brodie now, we definitely need to move him. However, I don't think there would be a lot of value there. So Tree needs to find out if that is the new Brodie, or will he return to the way he played earlier in the season???
And from what I'm hearing, it sounds like Shanny and MLSE are willing to open the vault for Matthews once again. If so, how will Marner's new contract look like when he needs resigned?
Again, I have no clue what's going to happen, but if it does unfold like this, then Nylander definitely has to be traded. And he will not bring in the same return that trading Marner would.

 

[ACC1224]

Notice how the only reason you give for not trading Marner is regular season related? Kempe >>>>> Marner quite easily in the playoffs.

That's alot of '>'.
Kempe is a nice player but what is the huge discrepancy in the two players based on?

 

[Captain Crunch]

Being that he made 1 minor deal in his first 7 months with Calgary, he'll use a draft pick to add a moderately priced 3rd line forward who fits his vision for how the team should play.

Edit: Does he have draft picks to spare?

As it currently stands, the Leafs have one first round pick in 2023 and 2024, none in 2025, no second round picks up to and including 2025, and only 2 third round picks up to and including 2025. Not sure about the later rounds. So not much draft capital at all.

 

[Nineteen67]

Actually, hockey is now considered entertainment - not sport. Those days are long gone. Bettman has the Nhl rigged via the Refs & he/and whoever determine outcomes to facilitate the "sports" growth in the US of A where it ranks behind tractor pulling......Canada dosent seem to matter. One growing grass roots trend that is sweeping the US is severe financial backlash....I dont have to name the companies...I'd like the same to happen to MLSE so their shareholders can revolt & really wake them up. Everyone is in a daze....us fans have to live through this sh#t....it boggles my mind....


Agreed 100%....he should be gone

I think it has more to do with how the teams are managed in Canada than anything Bettman has done. Edmonton is the only team with a hope in the next few years, but that‘s probably a long shot. I still think Ottawa is the next Canadian team to reach a Cup final.

 

[Notsince67]

Agreed. Trapper proposed Kempe for Marner. I thought that was not enough and added Clarke who was #8OA in 2021 and probably their best prospect. You also have to consider saving 5.5m in cap space. Perhaps you can get more but it is all hearsay because they are not trading Marner. Nylander for Seider ?? Maybe Dubas does that. Not Stevie Y.

I bet SY doesn't do it but the ask is fair game when a few teams were kicking the Knies tires. Never know but very decent return if it happened.

 

[Captain Crunch]

That's alot of '>'.
Kempe is a nice player but what is the huge discrepancy in the two players based on?

To me, its hard to base individual player results in the playoffs. This is still a team game. This Leafs' team, as it has been constructed over the past 5 seasons, has not been able to get it done come playoff time. Regular seasons have been pretty good, although they have yet to win the division.

Until the cap has a significant jump, paying this core 4 the amount they're being paid, it has proven difficult to properly build the supporting pieces needed, especially on defence. So if it remains status quo, I do not expect anything to change until either the cap rises to around at least $90 million, or one of the core is traded.