What's going on with Tavares ?

[-DeMo-]

didn't the worlds end just over a week ago? like he might not even be back in North America yet if they decided to take a vacation right after the tourney.

 

[notbias]

i gave all his stats for the last 3 seasons and included a breakdown of before and after his trade to Pitt , no idea what bs your trying to spin again

the funny thing is you still haven't realized the biggest dump in that deal was EK who you keep trying to say Dumbass got for free while paying a 1st and 2nd to dump shorter much smaller dumps , another Dumbass special trade . lol

your a Leaf fan you say ?

with Dumbass as our GM your views were

-Kadri , great trade !
-Foligno , great trade !
pretty much you thought every move was a stroke of genius

after Dumbass was kicked to the curb like a piece of trash

-every move is garbage

and now your still defending his brutal moves like trading for EK but yeah you don't worship him , lol

I am not sure if your English or hockey knowledge is worse.

Your nickname seems like a projection and possibly an insecurity.

EK was the biggest dump? Alright.

I started by saying Tavares had little to no value and used a better player in Karlsson as the comparison since they both have similar salaries. You've turned it into this with your weird obsession, you can continue your incoherent rants by yourself.

 

[hotpaws]

I am not sure if your English or hockey knowledge is worse.

Your nickname seems like a projection and possibly an insecurity.

EK was the biggest dump? Alright.

I started by saying Tavares had little to no value and used a better player in Karlsson as the comparison since they both have similar salaries. You've turned it into this with your weird obsession, you can continue your incoherent rants by yourself.

no wonder you love Dubas so much , your views of the game are as bad as his , so i'll waste my time and correct/educate you again

JT and EK's cap hits may be similar but that's where the similarities end

JT - 1 yr term , 11m cap hit , 910k actual salary after bonus is paid
EK - 4 yrs term , 11.5m cap hit , 38m actual salary at time of trade

there's probably only two people who believe EK wouldn't be viewed as a huge cap dump in a trade and that would be you and Dubas . lol

 

[rumman]

Your constant rants about Tavares really do come across like hissy fits.

It’s gonna be a long summer for you.

I like JT, and I like that his shortcomings are due to diminishing skills as opposed to lazy indifference, but if he’d be open to a trade I’d move him in a New York minute. If you could swing a Marner trade too it would be a miracle………

 

[Fogelhund]

If Tavares were to be traded, which I find doubtful, it would kind of be one of those secret out of left field things. No media personnel thinks it's likely, so they aren't talking about it.

That's basically why there isn't any talk... nobody thinks it's likely.

 

[mikeyz]

Ridiculous take. You're a media fanboy. Tavaras is good. He's overpaid. The fact that you referr to him as a cancer is idiotic.

Please find another team to cheer for, fans like you are embarrassing

The only take here that’s embarrassing is your fanboy one.

Tell me you’re satisfied with constant 1st round exits in the playoffs without telling me you’re satisfied with constant 1st round exits.

Fanboys like you are embarassing.

Defending Tavares who is overrated, overhyped, overpaid and has done nothing as a leader for the leafs

f*** tavares, and anyone who tries to justifiy him having kids+family for why he should be brought back.

Leafs owe nothing to tavares. This isnt Sundin who we experienced good times and good playoff runs with.

Tavares has produced 24 pts in 38 playoff games. Hes a 3C making 11M come playoffs.

Next year he needs to be playing 12-13M a game and no PP1 time.

If I could like this a million times I would. Very well said.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Pretty much this, I still think JT at the right price could be a serviceable 3rd or 4th line centre, but I’m starting to think a change for both the team and player might be the best thing once his current contract is done…….

At the right price so is Mitchy.

 

[rumman]

At the right price so is Mitchy.

Mitch doesn't understand just how grossly overpaid he is, he hit the jackpot when he schooled Dubas for that deal, highway robbery.............

 

[notbias]

Mitch doesn't understand just how grossly overpaid he is, he hit the jackpot when he schooled Dubas for that deal, highway robbery.............

We better get a new GM quickly because imagine what Mitch will do to the guy who signed Huberdeau to his deal.

 

[rumman]

We better get a new GM quickly because imagine what Mitch will do to the guy who signed Huberdeau to his deal.

well being a team Dubas guy you'd know all about over payments................

 

[ToneDog]

At the right price so is Mitchy.

His ask will be far above the right price. Unless he lowers his asks significantly, Leafs will not resign him IMO. They will not make the same mistake they did with Nylander. I am assuming they do not win the Cup of course.

 

[Its not your fault]

actually we're not stuck with him until he decides to retire , he has 1 yr left so if we don't offer him an extension his options are to retire or uproot his family and move to another city , i know it's not an easy move considering he's the only married player with a family in the league but it can be done

and my main point is you hear nothing , no they want to bring him back for his final year or they're looking to re-sign him , basically it's just crickets which is a little strange imo

Seems like the media just writes to sell articles these days.

His ask will be far above the right price. Unless he lowers his asks significantly, Leafs will not resign him IMO. They will not make the same mistake they did with Nylander. I am assuming they do not win the Cup of course.

Neat can you imagine how bad we loose that trade.

 

[rumman]

His ask will be far above the right price. Unless he lowers his asks significantly, Leafs will not resign him IMO. They will not make the same mistake they did with Nylander. I am assuming they do not win the Cup of course.

if they won the cup I'd cash out, good bye, see you later, adios, ciao, ta ta forever............

 

[ToneDog]

Seems like the media just writes to sell articles these days.


Neat can you imagine how bad we loose that trade.

Not sure about you but I'd rather have traded Nylander than cave to his $11.5m ask. For a guy who takes the Red Rocket to work, he's been pedestrian since he signed. If you think you could not find a good trade for Nylander @ 7m, good luck getting one for Nylander @ 11.5x8.

if they won the cup I'd cash out, good bye, see you later, adios, ciao, ta ta forever............

That is probably what Leafs management thinks and why they string us along.

 

[Its not your fault]

Not sure about you but I'd rather have traded Nylander than cave to his $11.5m ask. For a guy who takes the Red Rocket to work, he's been pedestrian since he signed. If you think you could not find a good trade for Nylander @ 7m, good luck getting one for Nylander @ 11.5x8.


That is probably what Leafs management thinks and why they string us along.

Remember who we are taking about here. When was the last time we won a trade like you're suggesting? Seems risky at best.

 

[rumman]

Not sure about you but I'd rather have traded Nylander than cave to his $11.5m ask. For a guy who takes the Red Rocket to work, he's been pedestrian since he signed. If you think you could not find a good trade for Nylander @ 7m, good luck getting one for Nylander @ 11.5x8.


That is probably what Leafs management thinks and why they string us along.

they'll never be able to trade Style's contract.........unless Dubas finds a pot of gold..........

 

[socko]

Nylander at $11.5 was dangerously close to a walk away situation for me. But then you factor in Marner right behind him, a guy who IMO, will be way past the walk away line. And it made it easier to pay Nylander that money. Plus, we really really need our goal scorers. Look, we can't score in the playoffs. And that is a problem.

 

[Niagara Bill]

His ask will be far above the right price. Unless he lowers his asks significantly, Leafs will not resign him IMO. They will not make the same mistake they did with Nylander. I am assuming they do not win the Cup of course.

And if they do win the cup with Mitchy, they still should not match his ask.

 

[ToneDog]

Remember who we are taking about here. When was the last time we won a trade like you're suggesting? Seems risky at best.

Yeah hard to win a Nylander or Marner trade but most would be happy if we did not lose it badly like the Kadri trade. If Chevy can win a PLD trade, Tre has a shot at getting a good return. At the end of the day, we've won nothing with these 4 and it is time to change course.

Nylander at $11.5 was dangerously close to a walk away situation for me. But then you factor in Marner right behind him, a guy who IMO, will be way past the walk away line. And it made it easier to pay Nylander that money. Plus, we really really need our goal scorers. Look, we can't score in the playoffs. And that is a problem.

These guys must have figured out that if they pay Willie $11.5mx8, Marner will ask for more. Hopefully they though it through and a decision was make to move off Marner rather than pay him more.

And if they do win the cup with Mitchy, they still should not match his ask.

I agree but it is the Leafs and they might/would if they won the cup because there would be no fan backlash. Imagine if they keep him, sign him and lose in round #1 next year. How many fans would throw in the towel? It might be my breaking point.

 

[darrylsittler27]

The only thing we know is that Leaf management will do the stupidest thing possible.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Because he has a NMC, just recently had a bunch of kids so its highly unlikely he would be willing to uproot his entire life.

We're stuck with him. Just hope they don't over pay to bring him back after next season. If he wants to stay here and play, he should be taking as little as possible.

I haven't kept up to date on Marner.

But I've always said with regards to Tavares.........

Keep it private. Let's not do the Sundin thing again because I hate what went down with Sundin and Fletcher going public to the media about him turning down any trade.

They have that in their contract, the team gave it to them, they have the right to refuse being moved.

Just like any of us in our jobs if we were so lucky.

It's his decision and it should be private.

Marner has the same thing, yet it wouldn't bother me as much if somehow that got a bit public. And yet that should be private as well.

 

[therealkoho]

His dad seems like a nice guy.

His Uncle as well, his Aunt btw is married to that fishing guy Italo

Tavares is old and slow and his contract would be impossible to move. At least he has contributed some bigger moments in the playoffs.

Marner is younger, slightly faster and apparently Gretzky like, so it’s obvious that 29 teams should be lining up for him no matter the cost.

Unlike Gretzky though Mitch doesn't get to play with a psychopath and killer

 

[therealkoho]

I don’t know exactly how things were said, but anyone with only 1 playoff win in 8 years that needs to be motivated can go.
Cause what happens when he gets his 12+ million and finds himself unmotivated again.

Exactly I mean Auston has all those Connie's and rings and things...errr Well he would have if it weren't for you know who and what's his name and The never was going to be #1 Jonnie Burns, Gentleman James Reimer and fumbling FreddieA

 

[therealkoho]

JT was a terrible signing.

The Leafs are too stupid to build lines. They don't grasp tempo or that players with similar speed are more likely to make plays.

It really is just a poorly run organization full of dimwits.

For 500th time. Clean house fire everyone. Make BT Pres / GM. Remove all the supporting staff and let Berube hire who he wants.

Even the saintly Matthews?

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

no wonder you love Dubas so much , your views of the game are as bad as his , so i'll waste my time and correct/educate you again

JT and EK's cap hits may be similar but that's where the similarities end

JT - 1 yr term , 11m cap hit , 910k actual salary after bonus is paid
EK - 4 yrs term , 11.5m cap hit , 38m actual salary at time of trade

there's probably only two people who believe EK wouldn't be viewed as a huge cap dump in a trade and that would be you and Dubas . lol

All of the players that Pittsburgh traded away are easily moveable this summer and even moreso at the deadline. He could've tweaked the team and seen if some players bounced back and built their value back up. Instead he destroyed that team's future in one summer. It's like he learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is the Marleau trade all over again, probably worse.

The trade pieces now stand like this:
Petry, 1x6.25
DeSmith, UFA
Granlund, 1x5
Ruuta, 1x2.75
2024 1st (14th overall)
2025 2nd

• Detroit traded for 2 YEARS of Petry at 50% retained, trading 1 year is nothing.
• Wennberg just got traded as a deadline rental (2.25 cap hit 50% retained) for a 2nd and 4th, Granlund is much better at the same price retained.
• Ruuta is a big depth D with 2 Cups of experience. Any playoff team would trade assets for him at 50%.

It would take one season and a half MAX for them to pad their cupboards for the future or a trade that would ACTUALLY help. Instead they lost good picks and jammed the team up while now allegedly trying to get younger. Never mind the cap flexibility this would give them to take a contract on in return for picks.

There really needs to be a study on these Dubas fanboys.