What is wrong with Mcdavid?

[Negan4Coach]

McDavid's problem is he hasn't yet gotten infront of a cluster of microphones and went *tap tap tap* "is this thing on? Ahem...I demand a trade out of this broke-dick organization that has squandered not only ridiculous amounts of high draft picks but essentially a little less than half the career of the best hockey player on earth and now they've even had to waive the goalie. Goodnight."

He needs to go off like Mussolini from the balcony. I fell really bad for Oilers fans- you don't deserve this.

 

[HighAndTight]

Truthfully, I don't know what's wrong either. Normally he steps up in McDavid's absence, but this year he hasn't performed well with or without him. Lingering injury? Reached his peak? Given up on the Oilers? I have no idea.


Despite his poor performance to start the year, that's been proven wrong time and time again.

No of course he's not a complete product of playing with McDavid, that is laughable and you really shouldn't be responding to those posts.

That being said, just being on a team with McDavid has tangible benefits far outweighing most players which cannot be denied, but some still do.

 

[Duke74]

No of course he's not a complete product of playing with McDavid, that is laughable and you really shouldn't be responding to those posts.

That being said, just being on a team with McDavid has tangible benefits far outweighing most players which cannot be denied, but some still do.

Unfortunately, there's a small group of posters that legitimately believe that and the Oiler's recent struggles have brought more of them out of the woodwork.

 

[HighAndTight]

Unfortunately, there's a small group of posters that legitimately believe that and the Oiler's recent struggles have brought more of them out of the woodwork.

Oh I know, there is the same contingent of Oil fans who believe MCD has nothing to do with Drais productivity.

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[Duke74]

Oh I know, there is the same contingent of Oil fans who believe MCD has nothing to do with Drais productivity.

[MOD]

Of course that's the case on any team with two superstars. Matthews and Marner, MacKinnon and Rantanen...and so on.

 

[Dicky113]

Desperately needs a change of scenery. So obvious he’s not having fun anymore.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Completely misread your message (read most of them instead of most of the team), nevermind, but it is not completely false that Crosby line tend to had that bit of 200 feet role some playoffs, Malkin line tend to get the offensively minded deployment, even if it is often exaggerated, it give to the rest of the lines an more balanced one.

During the 2 cup run Malkin had 80% offensive zone start, Crosby a regular 60%.

It was still an offensive first effort on both parts. You needed Crosby as much as you needed Malkin. I still think Crosbys defensive game is greatly overrated but that doesn’t mean he was terrible defensively.

Again, what you’re talking about is completely irrelevant to what I said. My response was to a specific post in which you claimed that a team’s captain making an effort on defense doesn’t have an impact on the rest of the team. I pointed out that numerous players on the multiple-time Cup-champion Lightning have credited Stamkos with doing precisely that - that his example of hustling on defense, diving in front of shots, etc. as a superstar scorer and future first-ballot Hall-of-Famer inspired them to do likewise. But then I’m sure you would know better than a team full of players who have actually won something.

And my point is Stamkos making an effort defensively didn’t suddenly rally the team together. It didn’t suddenly make Hedman and Vasil elite. It didn’t make Kuch or Point score all those points. Like I said, they won a cup without him and then won a cup with Stamkos having 1 goal in 5 games with a -1. And that was against a very inferior Montreal team.

 

[AndreRoy]

And my point is Stamkos making an effort defensively didn’t suddenly rally the team together. It didn’t suddenly make Hedman and Vasil elite. It didn’t make Kuch or Point score all those points. Like I said, they won a cup without him and then won a cup with Stamkos having 1 goal in 5 games with a -1. And that was against a very inferior Montreal team.

And that “point” has absolutely nothing to do with what we’re talking about. You claimed that a leader’s actions have no impact on the behavior of his team; that has been thoroughly disproved. Those same star players you just referenced didn’t win a championship until the team’s on-ice culture and approach changed; numerous players and coaches have credited Stammer’s leadership by example as being crucial in causing that change.

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[GreatGonzo]

And that “point” has absolutely nothing to do with what we’re talking about. You claimed that a leader’s actions have no impact on the behavior of his team; that has been thoroughly disproved. Those same star players you just referenced didn’t win a championship until the team’s on-ice culture and approach changed; numerous players and coaches have credited Stammer’s leadership by example as being crucial in causing that change.

[MOD]

Again, you are under the impression that Stamkos blocking some shots and playing a little defense had a profound affect on the lightning and created a winning culture. Not the talent surrounding the team, not coaches….Stamkos as a leader. It’s ridiculous.

They also didn’t win a championship until Kuch peaked, and Point and Vasil came into their own. Did these occurrences not change the winning culture? Just curious.

[MOD] You’re so fixated on the idea that Stamkos, as a leader, changed the teams dynamic into a championship caliber organization….and it wasn’t the insane amount of talent surrounded him. Again, you blame McDavid for being a negative player “when it counted”, yet Stamkos is a negative player in the finals in 2021….also only having 1 goal in 5 games…but you chalk it up as “leadership” as to why they won.

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[Oleksiak]

Again, you are under the impression that Stamkos blocking some shots and playing a little defense had a profound affect on the lightning and created a winning culture. Not the talent surrounding the team, not coaches….Stamkos as a leader. It’s ridiculous.

Hall of Famers weigh in: Is the Lightning's Steven Stamkos one of the best captains ever?

"When you win a Cup, it changes you," Mark Messier said of Stamkos, who is in pursuit of a three-peat.

theathletic.com

“The captain needs to be that guy,” said Brind’Amour, the captain of the Hurricanes 2006 Cup team and now their head coach. “If he’s going off on his own and doing his own thing or forcing it or trying to open up, that lets everyone else do it and it doesn’t work. It might work for a little while, but you’re not going to win doing that. He’s figured that out. The old adage is, your captain leads by example all the time. If he’s doing it right, everyone else does it right and you have a chance to do what they’ve been doing the last couple of years.”

I guess a bunch of cup winners have no idea what they're talking about. When you have a gutless coward who refuses to backcheck wearing the C instead of a real leader, you're setting yourself up to fail.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Hall of Famers weigh in: Is the Lightning's Steven Stamkos one of the best captains ever?

"When you win a Cup, it changes you," Mark Messier said of Stamkos, who is in pursuit of a three-peat.

theathletic.com

I guess a bunch of cup winners have no idea what they're talking about. When you have a gutless coward who refuses to backcheck wearing the C instead of a real leader, you're setting yourself up to fail.

Mark Messier, huh

I wonder who he played with when he won his Cups

 

[Hank Plank]

Mark Messier, huh

I wonder who he played with when he won his Cups

He won 6 Cups. Only player to captain 2 teams to Cup wins.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I guess a bunch of cup winners have no idea what they're talking about. When you have a gutless coward who refuses to backcheck wearing the C instead of a real leader, you're setting yourself up to fail.

Messier also played on some of the most stacked teams. Convenient you left those details out. Also, Gretzky>Messier as a captain since he won more cups wearing the C. Am I doing it right?

He won 6 Cups. Only player to captain 2 teams to Cup wins.

All while playing with tons of talent and HOFers. Again, let’s ignore the details to make my argument fit better

 

[vcanuck]

I think he already peaked, the Canucks kickstarted his decline.

 

[Oleksiak]

Messier also played on some of the most stacked teams. Convenient you left those details out. Also, Gretzky>Messier as a captain since he won more cups wearing the C. Am I doing it right?


All while playing with tons of talent and HOFers. Again, let’s ignore the details to make my argument fit better

Personally I have no respect for Messier whatsoever and think it's a joke that a leadership award is named for a locker room cancer. However, numerous other guys were quoted in there on the importance of leading by example. But I'm sure the fact that McDiver still won't play like a real man has no impact on the team culture where playing like complete trash in the defensive zone is acceptable.

McDiver needs the C taken away and to be told he will be in the press box if he doesn't put in an acceptable effort in both ends of the rink.

 

[AndreRoy]

Mark Messier, huh

I wonder who he played with when he won his Cups

You referring to this guy?

 

[GreatGonzo]

Personally I have no respect for Messier whatsoever and think it's a joke that a leadership award is named for a locker room cancer. However, numerous other guys were quoted in there on the importance of leading by example. But I'm sure the fact that McDiver still won't play like a real man has no impact on the team culture where playing like complete trash in the defensive zone is acceptable.

McDiver needs the C taken away and to be told he will be in the press box if he doesn't put in an acceptable effort in both ends of the rink.

The hate is so strong with you. It’s hard to take anything you say seriously since it’s just coming out as bitterness. Your Lack of understanding of how hockey is played really shows.

You referring to this guy?

5-1-0-1 -1 in the 2021 finals. What a leader..

 

[Shark Finn]

People saying he’s playing hurt, why in the world would the Oilers play him hurt ? If he gets a season ending injury, their season is a wrap

Aiming for Celebrini

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

he’ll have 4-6 points against the sharks and he’ll be right back in it

 

[Cursed Lemon]

He won 6 Cups. Only player to captain 2 teams to Cup wins.

Multiple HOFers including the best player of all time, yes that was the answer.

But I guess if you don't win a Cup, that means you just weren't a good leader. Sorry Iginla!

 

[Cancuks]

It's a mental problem with the Oilers right now, stemming from their bad goaltending. Imagine if you come out like Draisaitl and say this season is cup or bust and then you get smoked in the first game. They have put the pressure on themselves and have folded like a cheap tent. Team has no confidence in the goaltending and play scared in their own end. Goalies are scared because they have no confidence in the defense to help them out. Team was built around having the best top two lines in the league and nothing else. This might get you a bunch of goals but it won't win you any Cups. It's over in Edmonton.

 

[Zerotonine]

Mark Messier, huh

I wonder who he played with when he won his Cups

Won 2 cups with out Gretzky, Gretzky won 0 with out messier

 

[Hank Plank]

Multiple HOFers including the best player of all time, yes that was the answer.

But I guess if you don't win a Cup, that means you just weren't a good leader. Sorry Iginla!

What are you rambling about? As for Iggy he failed to show up for game 7 in 2004.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

What are you rambling about? As for Iggy he failed to show up for game 7 in 2004.

That horrible, awful leader!

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

he’s a fine playoff performer and has proven such. Can’t say the same about most of the team.

Crosby was a -2 with just 19 points in his smythe run in 2016. Crosbys “defense” wasn’t the difference maker. It was his offense along with the teams overall balanced fire power. Crosby hasn’t even lead any of his cup teams in points, that’s how good those teams were offensively.

Yes it was, it was far and away his best defensive performance. He had more defensive zone starts that year and played more PK. Are you so agenda driven you want to ignore reality?

They had top 6 wingers on 3rd line to spread out the offense. I’d love if McDavid could produce with lower quality wingers and spread out the scoring.