What is wrong with Mcdavid?

[PaulD]

Those players never played on a level of Connor last year.
Never have, never will.

what does that have to do with him getting called out for "giving up"??
which is the post I responded to

He has not given up on his team.....like all the greats before him did not give up on theirs. Was all I was pointing out

 

[nbwingsfan]

lol he's nothing like kawhi

kawhi coasts all regular season and turns it up in the playoffs

the only time mcdavid turns it up is on a 5min advantage in a 6-1 blowout in february

And that time he put up 2ppg in the playoffs ?

 

[My3Sons]

Those players never played on a level of Connor last year.
Never have, never will.

You will get some pushback from us old timers that watched prime Mario.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

lol he's nothing like kawhi

kawhi coasts all regular season and turns it up in the playoffs

the only time mcdavid turns it up is on a 5min advantage in a 6-1 blowout in february

McDavid is 4th all time in playoff points per game

 

[Fatass]

Mario, Yzerman, Sakic, OV never had one great season like Connor had last season?

 

[Coffey]

You will get some pushback from us old timers that watched prime Mario.

I was 8 when Mario won a cup, I saw him lol
But ya I get my post was a little out there.

Mario, Yzerman, Sakic, OV never had one great season like Connor had last season?

Ya, my bad!
But my intent was moreso a season where you dominate and don't win shit.
OV and Mario had that, Joe and Steve didn't.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Lightning players and coaches have repeatedly talked about how Stamkos hustling on defense and throwing his body in front of pucks sets the tone for the rest of the team. When your future-HoF captain is sacrificing his body and doing everything he can to keep the puck out of his own net, it does make a difference.

Stamkos also head elite defense and goaltending, along with a lot of fire power on offense. In fact, they won a cup with him playing just 1 game.

Also, Stamkos is notorious for being underwhelming in the playoffs. He needed a stacked team to get championships, all
Of which he wasn’t close to their best player.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Duh, because you hijacked a convo about McDavid’s entire playoff career, specifically some of his struggles early on. What did you expect?

Not sure what to say about the Yzerman thing, obviously he changed his game to become more well rounded, and if you think he was out of his prime when he started to make those changes in his mid 20s then whatever man. Crosby also worked on his 200ft game as he got older. He wasn’t past his prime when he won the cup in his mid 20s either.

he’s a fine playoff performer and has proven such. Can’t say the same about most of the team.

Crosby was a -2 with just 19 points in his smythe run in 2016. Crosbys “defense” wasn’t the difference maker. It was his offense along with the teams overall balanced fire power. Crosby hasn’t even lead any of his cup teams in points, that’s how good those teams were offensively.

 

[ITM]

If you find a similar lull in previous seasons, but transfer it to another part of the season, there's room for hope that McDavid (of all players?) can (and will) rise to normative McDavid levels.

It's interesting that even McDavid in Edmonton can't escape this - what I thought was relegated to Maple Leafs players - Torontonian fishbowl perspective.

Guess you can take the boy out of Toronto but can't take Toronto out of the boy.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Took him first in fantasy. Come on conner I need you.

Also the kawhi comparison is a joke whoever made that. Like the two players could not be more different.

 

[MadLuke]

Those players never played on a level of Connor last year.
Never have, never will.

First time I hear that 88-89 Mario was not on a level achieved by last year Connor...

he’s a fine playoff performer and has proven such. Can’t say the same about most of the team.

Crosby was a -2 with just 19 points in his smythe run in 2016. Crosbys “defense” wasn’t the difference maker. It was his offense along with the teams overall balanced fire power. Crosby hasn’t even lead any of his cup teams in points, that’s how good those teams were offensively.

Most of them?, a list with ovy, yzerman, mario, sakic, crosby, mack, that a strange level of trolling

 

[Fatass]

I was 8 when Mario won a cup, I saw him lol
But ya I get my post was a little out there.


Ya, my bad!
But my intent was moreso a season where you dominate and don't win shit.
OV and Mario had that, Joe and Steve didn't.

Dionne had almost 1800 career points and didn’t win the Cup. OV, Mario, Joe, Stevie all won Cups. IMHO McDavid needs to lead a club to a Cup to be considered in that super great group of players. Or he stays in the group of great players not to lead a club to Cup. And I think these super great players know they need a Cup to fill out their resume and be part of the best of the best.
Saying all this is imo showing why he’s struggling right now. He’s frustrated because he is seeing this year’s Oilers is not a Cup team and that’s another year without the Cup. I think it’s weighing on him. Especially after having such a good last playoffs and the excitement of the opportunity this year.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He’s clearly playing injured this season and it’s really the only answer. He’s flubbing passes and is rarely if ever blowing by D like he always did

 

[Coffey]

Dionne had almost 1800 career points and didn’t win the Cup. OV, Mario, Joe, Stevie all won Cups. IMHO McDavid needs to lead a club to a Cup to be considered in that super great group of players. Or he stays in the group of great players not to lead a club to Cup. And I think these super great players know they need a Cup to fill out their resume and be part of the best of the best.
Saying all this is imo showing why he’s struggling right now. He’s frustrated because he is seeing this year’s Oilers is not a Cup team and that’s another year without the Cup. I think it’s weighing on him. Especially after having such a good last playoffs and the excitement of the opportunity this year.

That's why I want him to leave this shit team and go somewhere where he can win a cup.
I'm not selfish that I need it in Edmonton.

 

[MadLuke]

Or he stays in the group of great players not to lead a club to Cup.

If we count Bourque has a cup winner here, he is already by far the best cupless player in the history of the league, clearly all on his own top tier, if I do not forget someone.

Dionne had a great career but Top 10:
1-2-2-2-3
Versus
1-1-1-1-1-2-2

With great separation on some of those, Dionne does not have those great playoff run McDavid had, McDavid is already in Jagr tier, above Sakic-Yzerman.

The cup is more for the vs Richard-Beliveau-Orr-Howe-Lemieux talk than the Sakic-Yzerman one.

 

[AuraSphere]

Feels more and more likely he'll be a leaf come 2026 everyday

 

[Fatass]

If we count Bourque has a cup winner here, he is already by far the best cupless player in the history of the league, all on his own, if I do not forget someone.

Dionne had a great career but Top 10:
1-2-2-2-3
Versus
1-1-1-1-1-2-2

With great separation on some of those, Dionne does not have those great playoff run McDavid had, McDavid is already in Jagr tier, above Sakic-Yzerman.

The cup is more for the vs Richard-Beliveau-Orr-Howe-Lemieux talk than the Sakic-Ov-Joe one.

Agreed. There’s a special group of greatness Connor is trying to get into. And imo he knows this and it’s weighing on him. He wants to be in that group.
Howe, Orr, Richard, Mario, Wayne, Sid, Lidstrom (and a few others people could debate) are in the special group of greats. Connor know to get there he needs to lead a club to the Cup or he stays in with the Dionne’s.

 

[Garbageyuk]

He’s sick of the bullshit in Edmonton. He’s checked out.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Connor needs to go to the Rangers, LA or Dallas if he wants his cup.

Just imagine McDavid in Dallas, they would be the automatic cup favorites for the next 5 years.

 

[1specter]

He'll heat up, might take a coach firing though.

 

[sepHF]

he's injured.. its obvious

he's taking 30 second PP shifts and Draisaitl is taking every faceoff

he's around ~20% on the draw since game 2

 

[Hank Plank]

What kind of chicken shit organization puts a guy on the ice that is clearly barely able to play.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

What kind of chicken shit organization puts a guy on the ice that is clearly barely able to play.

Haven't seen McDavid look this physically ill since the Oilers won the draft lottery.

 

[PaulD]

Those players never played on a level of Connor last year.
Never have, never will.

And like those players Connor "never has, never will" give up on his team.

 

[AndreRoy]

Stamkos also head elite defense and goaltending, along with a lot of fire power on offense. In fact, they won a cup with him playing just 1 game.

Also, Stamkos is notorious for being underwhelming in the playoffs. He needed a stacked team to get championships, all
Of which he wasn’t close to their best player.

Nice try changing the subject. We aren’t talking about offensive production - we’re talking about whether or not your leader setting the tone for the team matters. Which it does. The Lightning came close several times but didn’t win it all until they changed their style of play from a wide-open offensive attack to a defense-first approach; Stamkos led by example and the team followed.

You can change the subject and rip Stamkos for his playoff production all you want, but at the end of the day he’s the respected leader of a multiple-Cup championship team and McDavid is the selfish high-scorer on a team that hasn’t won shit in decades. But keep telling me that his refusal to play defense or to become an actual leader rather than just a captain doesn’t matter - it’s worked so well for your team so far.