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Gallagbi said:
Reaves never has and never will fight a guy like Kane. Most fighters understand their role better than that.

Domi fought after a star, which Lily isn't.

Keefe has regularly used fighters, arguably when he shouldnt have, and encouraged responses like the start of the TB series
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I wasn't clamoring for him (Reaves) to fight Kane, just take out someone on their end as retribution, doesn't need to be a start.

Which other fighter has he used? Simmonds? That's the only one I can think of.
 
It isn't about fighting Marchand or a star... People don't get it. He's supposed to "deter" this stuff because he's around. He should have been a wrecking ball of a player his next shift. I don't care if he runs over a bad player. But instead he floated around. So much goal post moving about this kind of player, always an excuse. It's Keefe, it's Matthews, It's Shanahan, it's the stick guy... No, stop blaming everyone else around him.

It's not all on him in terms of elevating their game. Everyone should have been present physically, especially the new guys. The star players showed up to do what they do for the most part at least.

People were gloating after game 2 that he's awesome. Rah rah rah he got the belt, he's so badass. I'm losing my mind how any hockey executive thinks he's a net positive player in the lineup.
 
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SprDaVE said:
It isn't about fighting Marchand or a star... People don't get it. He's supposed to "deter" this stuff because he's around. He should have been a wrecking ball of a player his next shift. But instead he floated around. It's not all on him and many of the other, especially the new guys, should have been a lot more present in the physical aspect. The star players showed up to do what they do for the most part.

People were gloating after game 2 that he's awesome. I'm losing my mind how any hockey executive thinks he's a net positive player in the lineup.
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All of this.

Did we all forget when Edler's cheap shot on Hyman? Guess who beat the crap out of him? Simmonds.

You're on a team, you need to have your guy's back.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I wasn't clamoring for him (Reaves) to fight Kane, just take out someone on their end as retribution, doesn't need to be a start.

Which other fighter has he used? Simmonds? That's the only one I can think of.
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Looks like they've neutered him for some reason. If he couldn't be of use last night, he'll never be.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I wasn't clamoring for him (Reaves) to fight Kane, just take out someone on their end as retribution, doesn't need to be a start.

Which other fighter has he used? Simmonds? That's the only one I can think of.
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Simmonds and Clifford are the obvious who who were barely NHLers and over inserted into the lineup. Oddly enough both feel like they would have found a fight last night, especially Simmonds
 
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ACC1224 said:
Looks like they've neutered him for some reason. If he couldn't be of use last night, he'll never be.
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Yep because he can't play hockey worth a damn, that's for sure.

Gallagbi said:
Simmonds and Clifford are the obvious who who were barely NHLers and over inserted into the lineup.
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At least Simmonds stood up for the guys, Reaves flat out didn't do his job.

Edler I don't even think he had a fight in his career but Simmonds didn't give him a choice.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Yep because he can't play hockey worth a damn, that's for sure.



At least Simmonds stood up for the guys, Reaves flat out didn't do his job.

Edler I don't even think he had a fight in his career but Simmonds didn't give him a choice.
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That's what's so puzzling though, he obviously wasn't brought here to play. Did he forget what his role is? Refuses to do it? Prevented from doing it?

Gallagbi said:
Reaves knows his role and Domi was out with Marchand to end the period, they just create the situation and that was done
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Nothing was done, that's the point.
 
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SprDaVE said:
The feeling is mutual. Maybe we can get a player skate and string together a hockey play.
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His music selection is terrible.

ACC1224 said:
That's what's so puzzling though, he obviously wasn't brought here to play. Did he forget what his role is? Refuses to do it? Prevented from doing it?


Nothing was done, that's the point.
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Marchand should be one of the easiest guys to go after, you’d think. If I played against him he’d make my blood boil, as a fan I love him and find him entertaining.
 
ACC1224 said:
That's what's so puzzling though, he obviously wasn't brought here to play. Did he forget what his role is? Refuses to do it? Prevented from doing it?


Nothing was done, that's the point.
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If the answer is prevented - You fire Keefe

If the answer is forgetting / refusing - you waive the player, we can manage 200k in dead cap space.
 
ACC1224 said:
This is the real issue for me. Seems like there is a disconnect between GM, Coach and Player.
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To me, Keefe knows these guys and knows what they are willing to do. Brad doesn't. If Brad wants the team to play a certain way, he needs to make changes to the team culture and that won't happen rotating useless "toughness" on the 4th line every season
 
Menzinger said:
Personally I don't buy the idea that Keefe is holding Reaves back from doing stuff. This is a coach who at one point dressed both Clifford and Simmonds for the same game in the playoffs
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The player doesn't know what his role is then? If a player doesn't know their role, isn't that still on the coach?
 
TMLBlueandWhite said:
Reaves is trash.

The more I watch him play the more I understand what mind numbingly useless means. He offers nothing outside a couple staged fights. Otherwise the only other thing hockey he can do is skate and shoot the puck.

He's just not very good at those things is all.

I doubt Keefe even wants the cement handed no scoring lead foot in the lineup. The only time Reave's even fights is when it's another washed up hack clinging to an NHL job. If he's not gonna do anything except shoot a few stink eyes then why is he even here?

I really hope this isn't another case of someone who thinks they can both punch another players head off AND still play good hockey.

Because that's clearly not the case. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's nothing about Reaves that makes him unlikeable. Except the below replacement level player part.

Great leadership though I hear.
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Personally, I find Reaves uselessness to be a good reason to have him fight. AKA just do his one and only job. Just get him out there for 30 seconds have him give you a little energy and momentum in a bit shift disturbing hit and throw down. Doesn’t matter if he’s sitting on the bench or in the box.

The only way forward is to demote him to the Marlies at this point.
 
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ACC1224 said:
The player doesn't know what his role is then? If a player doesn't know their role, isn't that still on the coach?
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The lack of response from Reaves means Keefe and Reaves both failed at something. .. but it would be harder to believe Reaves refused to fight or make a big hit outright than Keefe inappropriately holding him back.

The way the Leafs have throttled back on toughness from Muzzin, even McCabe’s big open ice hits, odd deployment of Clifford and Simmonds leads me to believe Keefe doesn’t know what kind of buttons he’s pressing and when. His emotional management post game isn’t the kind of response you’d have seen from a Burns or Quinn or even Maurice.
 
Stephen said:
The lack of response from Reaves means Keefe and Reaves both failed at something. .. but it would be harder to believe Reaves refused to fight or make a big hit outright than Keefe inappropriately holding him back.

The way the Leafs have throttled back on toughness from Muzzin, even McCabe’s big open ice hits, odd deployment of Clifford and Simmonds leads me to believe Keefe doesn’t know what kind of buttons he’s pressing and when. His emotional management post game isn’t the kind of response you’d have seen from a Burns or Quinn or even Maurice.
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I didn't hear it but I can only imagine. Team resembles the coach.
 
GoonieFace said:
Or the players resemble the leaders of the team. Maybe these guys get here, realize it’s a group of entitled turds and say forget it.
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It's no secret what the leaders are like. They knew what they were coming into.
 
Menzinger said:
Personally I don't buy the idea that Keefe is holding Reaves back from doing stuff. This is a coach who at one point dressed both Clifford and Simmonds for the same game in the playoffs
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People need to find a way to justify their wanting of Reaves, and since they can't do it with the on-ice product, this is how they do it.

To answer the OP's question, he gets scored on and breaks up our offensive opportunities.

Stephen said:
The lack of response from Reaves means Keefe and Reaves both failed at something. .. but it would be harder to believe Reaves refused to fight or make a big hit outright than Keefe inappropriately holding him back.

The way the Leafs have throttled back on toughness from Muzzin, even McCabe’s big open ice hits, odd deployment of Clifford and Simmonds leads me to believe Keefe doesn’t know what kind of buttons he’s pressing and when. His emotional management post game isn’t the kind of response you’d have seen from a Burns or Quinn or even Maurice.
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This is what I mean... they can't just admit the player sucks, they need to make up something that never happened... McCabe was destroying people in the Tampa series, Muzzin has thrown big hits, Clifford and Simmonds cause chaos... it is all fan fiction

Reaves is 50% to his average over the last 3 years for fights and we are 12% through the season... somehow this means Keefe is holding him back.
 
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