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TMLegend said:
Well Keefe is a moron so I can see why Reaves is upset.

Funny how these grit and sandpaper types always flop when they come to Toronto, despite being successful in other places. There's been too many players through here at this point to think it's a coincidence.
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I agree. It happens with almost all the rough and tumble players with a rep that come here. They start to think they are skill players or the coach tells them to act like skill players. It has to be the coaching. Look at Matt Knies...he was banging people around in the beginning of his career and now is trying to be a left hand shooting Fancy Mitch in a lot of cases. Just get rid of this whole NuHockey management team and stop this insanity please.
 
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He’s not an NHL player anymore, and I don’t think he’s come to that realization yet.

Likely ends his career on LTIR with us after he inevitably passes through waivers and is given permission to talk with teams to facilitate a trade for which their is no interest league-wide.
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
When has Reaves been successful? If you think the 37 year old enforcer with shredded knees is being held back by Keefe, you're just wrong
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The fact he's been able to hold down a roster spot on some very good, cup contending teams 4th lines should indicate he's been a quality 4th liner throughout his career. Hell, he was literally one just last year on the Wild scoring at a 20 point pace with them.

Of course, he comes to Toronto and all of a sudden he's washed up and can't play anymore. If this was an isolated incident you could Keefe the benefit of the doubt, but it's not. There's a clear pattern of these gritty, sandpaper players not playing well under Keefe and I'm sorry, it just stinks of a coach who can't get the most out of his players.
 
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TMLegend said:
The fact he's been able to hold down a roster spot on some very good, cup contending teams 4th lines should indicate he's been a quality 4th liner throughout his career. Hell, he was literally one just last year on the Wild scoring at a 20 point pace with them.

Of course, he comes to Toronto and all of a sudden he's washed up and can't play anymore. If this was an isolated incident you could Keefe the benefit of the doubt, but it's not. There's a clear pattern of these gritty, sandpaper players not playing well under Keefe and I'm sorry, it just stinks of a coach who can't get the most out of his players.
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its not keefe- its shanahan and mlse.
 
TMLegend said:
The fact he's been able to hold down a roster spot on some very good, cup contending teams 4th lines should indicate he's been a quality 4th liner throughout his career. Hell, he was literally one just last year on the Wild scoring at a 20 point pace with them.

Of course, he comes to Toronto and all of a sudden he's washed up and can't play anymore. If this was an isolated incident you could Keefe the benefit of the doubt, but it's not. There's a clear pattern of these gritty, sandpaper players not playing well under Keefe and I'm sorry, it just stinks of a coach who can't get the most out of his players.
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All his advanced stats historically have been horrible even when he was on good teams.
Your take is overly simplistic. There were several articles out there when he was signed illustrating this. To suggest he is a good NHL player is quite the take.
 
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Jimmy Firecracker said:
Wayne Train couldn’t play by the end but that Cop mentality that is needed in an enforcer never went away and he was more than willing to drop the gloves to protect teammates and not just fight after he laid a decent hit. Frankly I’d rather have just re-signed Simmonds to league minimum at this point. Or better yet just call up Clifford when we need muscle or a bodyguard, guy is a warrior himself and jumps in to defend his Marlies teammates all the time.
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I’m surprised Clifford hasn’t gotten a chance at all this season
 
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TMLegend said:
The fact he's been able to hold down a roster spot on some very good, cup contending teams 4th lines should indicate he's been a quality 4th liner throughout his career. Hell, he was literally one just last year on the Wild scoring at a 20 point pace with them.

Of course, he comes to Toronto and all of a sudden he's washed up and can't play anymore. If this was an isolated incident you could Keefe the benefit of the doubt, but it's not. There's a clear pattern of these gritty, sandpaper players not playing well under Keefe and I'm sorry, it just stinks of a coach who can't get the most out of his players.
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With Reaves, Klingberg Murray, etc. health issues, it shows that either our pro scouting/GM/medical staff is/were making bad evaluations.
 
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TMLegend said:
Well Keefe is a moron so I can see why Reaves is upset.

Funny how these grit and sandpaper types always flop when they come to Toronto, despite being successful in other places. There's been too many players through here at this point to think it's a coincidence.
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Which tough guys played better after Keefe? Schenn is awful in Nashville ritchies out of the league Simmonds is cooked, Clifford is a marlie… far from a Sheldon fan, but at least be honest and not disingenuous with the positions you try and take.

TMLegend said:
The fact he's been able to hold down a roster spot on some very good, cup contending teams 4th lines should indicate he's been a quality 4th liner throughout his career. Hell, he was literally one just last year on the Wild scoring at a 20 point pace with them.

Of course, he comes to Toronto and all of a sudden he's washed up and can't play anymore. If this was an isolated incident you could Keefe the benefit of the doubt, but it's not. There's a clear pattern of these gritty, sandpaper players not playing well under Keefe and I'm sorry, it just stinks of a coach who can't get the most out of his players.
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He was awful and equally useless with the Rangers last year.
Did you watch him this year? How many GA can he be a part of when playing 4th line minutes
 
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If he has problems with his knees popping out (even when he's at home) not sure if he should ever be medically cleared to play NHL hockey. There is increased potential for him to be seriously injured.

www.sportsnet.ca

‘I definitely hate it’: Maple Leafs' Reaves discusses string of healthy scratches

Ryan Reaves is calm, polite and professional when discussing his run of scratches as the Toronto Maple Leafs fourth-liner insists he's healthy and raring to go.
www.sportsnet.ca www.sportsnet.ca
 
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HockeyVirus said:
Since the first few games he doesn't hit, doesn't fight, is a liability on the ice and spends all shifts in his own end. Black hole offensively. Marchand takes out Lilly and Reaves sits on the bench chirping like it is whatever.

The argument the team would somehow play taller is not translating.
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Another waste of money .how treliving is not fired is beyond me .
And some analytics have the leafs based on history and schedule have the leafs actually missing the playoffs
I think they get in ,WITH NHL GOALTENDING
 
GoonieFace said:
If his knees are that bad, play him 30 minutes a game until they fall off. Problem solved
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*That scene in Miracle where Brooks keeps forcing Team USA to do wind springs - "Again!" - but instead its Boucher repeatedly forcing Reaves to volunteer as a drop in at a local pick-up 5-a-side soccer league.
 
TMLegend said:
The fact he's been able to hold down a roster spot on some very good, cup contending teams 4th lines should indicate he's been a quality 4th liner throughout his career. Hell, he was literally one just last year on the Wild scoring at a 20 point pace with them.

Of course, he comes to Toronto and all of a sudden he's washed up and can't play anymore. If this was an isolated incident you could Keefe the benefit of the doubt, but it's not. There's a clear pattern of these gritty, sandpaper players not playing well under Keefe and I'm sorry, it just stinks of a coach who can't get the most out of his players.
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I mean we don’t play dump and chase so there’s that but regardless he doesn’t have it shouldn’t have been signed and now we gotta attach
Pics to this guy to get rid of him……….just amazing
 
This was the Treliving signing I didn’t like.

Maybe he saw what Gudas did to Woll and what Bennet did to Knies and said *uck that shit, but Reaves was not a good signing.

Would rather have re -signed Acciari with that money. Reaves was not a good signing and I think Treliving realized that quickly.

I don’t see Reaves finishing the season with us, let alone that contract.
 
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LeafSteel said:
This was the Treliving signing I didn’t like.

Maybe he saw what Gudas did to Woll and what Bennet did to Knies and said *uck that shit, but Reaves was not a good signing.

Would rather have re -signed Acciari with that money. Reaves was not a good signing and I think Treliving realized that quickly.

I don’t see Reaves finishing the season with us, let alone that contract.
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He felt like he had to have him, that’s why he gave him that 3rd year which no one else was offering.
 
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usernamezrhardtodo said:
I agree. It happens with almost all the rough and tumble players with a rep that come here. They start to think they are skill players or the coach tells them to act like skill players. It has to be the coaching. Look at Matt Knies...he was banging people around in the beginning of his career and now is trying to be a left hand shooting Fancy Mitch in a lot of cases. Just get rid of this whole NuHockey management team and stop this insanity please.
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Not sure what you’re talking about. Knies has always been willing to try the creative play, for better or worse. If anything he’s been warming up to more physical play as the season has gone on.

Gilmour1996 said:
With Reaves, Klingberg Murray, etc. health issues, it shows that either our pro scouting/GM/medical staff is/were making bad evaluations.
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You might also call it calculated risks. If they work, they work, if not you can stash them on LTIR.
 
fancy lad said:
I hope reaves plays vs Winnipeg and I bet He’ll be effective.
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Pretty optimistic. It's tough to see him being effective against anyone at this point.

I guess you can dress him and trot him out once a period and just double shift Matthews/Marner/Nylander the rest of the time?
 
A guy who can’t play anymore still thinks he can. Omg I’ve never heard of this before, what a circus.
 
It kind of goes beyond just Keefe though.... the Leafs signed Matt Martin and then Babcock sent him to the pressbox. Loved that signing at the time. Wayne Simmonds was a good signing....even though he was on the decline - wasn't he pretty effective as a net front presence on the PP, but then he was taken off that.

It's nice to have a player like Reaves - yes he has struggled when it comes to allowing opponents to score, but maybe that is more of the way he is used/deployed.?

Isn't this kind of a circular argument though - the team needs at least one tough player...look at Tampa last year - Maroon, Bogosian, Jeannot - they lose Maroon and sign Auston Watson this year......Florida - Bennett, Gudas, Lomberg, maybe Cousins, Tkachuck. So what is the solution...... I wouldn't be opposed to using Reaves sparingly I guess. What about Clifford? I think he was pretty effective when he was in the lineup and it seems like he was ostracized for taking the major in the playoff game against Tampa. Isn't he just on an AHL deal? What other options are out there......Nic Deslaurier?

Take out Reaves and what does this current team have.......not much. I really don't like having almost zero toughness on this team. Wouldn't it be nice to have a Reaves we could dress against teams like Florida or Tampa? Yes I know toughness is a team quality/mentality, but still nice to have that type of player in the lineup even if only ocassionaly.
 
HockeyVirus said:
Since the first few games he doesn't hit, doesn't fight, is a liability on the ice and spends all shifts in his own end. Black hole offensively. Marchand takes out Lilly and Reaves sits on the bench chirping like it is whatever.

The argument the team would somehow play taller is not translating.
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He does sweet f all
 
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