Proposal: What Do You Think That MacT Can Get In Return For Hemsky And Horcoff?

[zeus3007*]

Defensive face offs that's why the Preds love Gaustad. He was overpaid by Buffalo and the Preds have room for a couple of bad contracts.

Part of me wonders if there is value in a deal like this.

Hemsky + 2nd for Gaustad + SK Preds ate some salary

No need for SK. Hemsky for Gaustad + another bottom six guy or a decent prospect and I'd be satisfied.

 

[BigFatCat999]

No need for SK. Hemsky for Gaustad + another bottom six guy or a decent prospect and I'd be satisfied.

Sorry but no. SK would be bottom 6 He's good on the forecheck when he's not having highly publicized brain farts. Yes Gaustad's contract is crap but he and SK fits MacT's need for depth. Preds eat a million of salary and a non 1st pick makes it even.

 

[AM]

A bag of pucks. Why would anyone give him any good return when you know they are being traded? They'll just wait him out, unless of course they want to dump a salary.

 

[AM]

What does anything have to do with Calgary?

Horcoff's contract had less to do with half season hot streak, and more to do with Katz's grandstanding about not being cheap with the cash a month after gaining control of the franchise. They paid at the absolute peak of his value, when waiting a few months would have driven the contract costs down significantly(he had a year left, was coming off injury). Considering how much lower the cap was then, it was just an obscene overpayment, if he got the same contract today it'd be in the 6.5+ million range.

But the contracts thing is based on a pattern poor negotiations by the franchise(too much money, too long term, no understanding of RFA leverage etc), not just the Horcoff contract.

Seeing as you have the crystal ball out, slide a stock tip over here!

 

[Tarus]

Seeing as you have the crystal ball out, slide a stock tip over here!

Sure

Which year between 2006 and 2012 do you want?

 

[Roof Daddy]

Simply put... Isn't it better to end up with a Mezaros, Briere, Kuba, Booth, Ballard, Upshall, Bergenhiem, Malone, or whoever in exchange for Horcoff, than having to give picks for players who might not even be better on our team?

First, can you guarantee me any of those players play for one of the 10 teams Horcoff puts on his list?

Second, can any of those teams afford to take salary back? Philly is a no, same with VAN.

Third, are any of those guys better options than what is available on the open market? It may not be a great UFA class, but there isn't as much competition this year either. The usual big spenders like BOS, CHI, PHI, WAS, NYR, etc are already either right up against the cap or have key UFA and RFA's to re-sign. Then you have the cap floor teams facing a similar issue. IMO you're probably looking at these teams as competition for UFAs:

DAL, BUF, CBJ, CGY, TOR, OTT, PHX, WPG and NYI. NJD are a wildcard because they have a ton of cap room but need to sign Elias, Henrique, Clarkson which if all are retained could cost around 12 mil.

So basically 9 teams that we'd be in competition with, some of them both limited and specific needs that may not affect our needs. Thanks to the 10 team list the options are far greater with a buyout than without.

 

[Beerfish]

It is. Horcoff is still a good bottom 6er

Then why is he being dumped. You should be outraged at MacT for this. We have bad bottom 6, Horcoff is a good bottom 6 therefore get rid of horcoff.

Makes zero sense at all.

 

[The Nuge]

Then why is he being dumped. You should be outraged at MacT for this. We have bad bottom 6, Horcoff is a good bottom 6 therefore get rid of horcoff.

Makes zero sense at all.

Ya because there could never be anything else determining whether to keep a guy or not...

Sorry but no. SK would be bottom 6 He's good on the forecheck when he's not having highly publicized brain farts. Yes Gaustad's contract is crap but he and SK fits MacT's need for depth. Preds eat a million of salary and a non 1st pick makes it even.

No, op is correct. I'm a SK fan, but he's not a good fit here

 

[thinlizzy]

Someone told me Horcoff is going to Columbus.

 

[T-Funk]

Then why is he being dumped. You should be outraged at MacT for this. We have bad bottom 6, Horcoff is a good bottom 6 therefore get rid of horcoff.

Makes zero sense at all.

We can afford an entire 3rd or 4th line for his money.

Someone told me Horcoff is going to Columbus.

He might not be giving his list of teams til July 1.

 

[Hoogaar23]

He might not be giving his list of teams til July 1.

I suppose he could waive his NMC if asked. Not sure if he would do that - if he feels spurned he might tell MacT to pound sand, but I get the feeling they still have a pretty good relationship and if MacT asks him to waive to go to a team he wouldn't mind, I would think he would. Otherwise sounds like it could be a buyout.

 

[Valic]

First, can you guarantee me any of those players play for one of the 10 teams Horcoff puts on his list?

Second, can any of those teams afford to take salary back? Philly is a no, same with VAN.

Third, are any of those guys better options than what is available on the open market? It may not be a great UFA class, but there isn't as much competition this year either. The usual big spenders like BOS, CHI, PHI, WAS, NYR, etc are already either right up against the cap or have key UFA and RFA's to re-sign. Then you have the cap floor teams facing a similar issue. IMO you're probably looking at these teams as competition for UFAs:

DAL, BUF, CBJ, CGY, TOR, OTT, PHX, WPG and NYI. NJD are a wildcard because they have a ton of cap room but need to sign Elias, Henrique, Clarkson which if all are retained could cost around 12 mil.

So basically 9 teams that we'd be in competition with, some of them both limited and specific needs that may not affect our needs. Thanks to the 10 team list the options are far greater with a buyout than without.

Philly can we'd be taking back 10.5 hit from Mez and Briere. My whole thought process is we get 1 and 2 year contracts not 4-5 from free agency.

 

[joestevens29]

Someone told me Horcoff is going to Columbus.

I don't know why they'd want him to be honest.

They have like 6 centers already. Unless they want to dump Umberger because of the length of his deal.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Sorry if this has been discussed already. Any ideas out there as to what number Yaks will wear next season? 64 or 10?

 

[AlowlyMcOilersfan]

Sorry if this has been discussed already. Any ideas out there as to what number Yaks will wear next season? 64 or 10?

Hopefully 10.

maybe goalies will confuse him with Horcoff

 

[AM]

Horcoff has th eperfect contract for a team that has to get to the cap, but doesnt want to spend to the cap.

He has trade value ~ 2 mil worth.

 

[shoop]

Then you have the cap floor teams facing a similar issue.

There are no salary floor teams. The Islanders are $8M below the salary floor with no goalies signed, nine forwards and only five defencemen signed. The only way they would need to eat salary just to make the floor is if they used an amnesty buyout to create cap room to be below the floor???

The competition for FAs will not be stiff. There will be a lot of amnesty buyouts. Making for little growth in free agent salaries. There could well be some deals to be had.

Edit: Forgot about the Islanders buying out Dipietro. The Isles might be a cap floor team, but they will still be $12M below the floor after the buyout. They could get the 9 bodies they need for less than that, but why not spend a little more than wasting money on a salary like Horcoff's just to meet the floor?

 

[Mr Sakich]

listened to John Davidson this morning on calgary radio. They have 3 picks and he expects the players available at those spots will be depth / role type guys.

IN the next breath, he says the BJ's have excellent depth with depth / role guys and are looking for skill up front. It would be difficult to find a better fit for Hemsky, especially if the Oilers eat half of the salary.

He was quite high on Johansen but that could be just inflating the value of an asset he might be trading. Says there is a lot of work left with Johansen but guys his size are pretty rare. Thinks he is a sure thing to be a good 3rd line center with the possibility of 1st or 2nd line center if he progresses. He has to get more fit and his offensive skills need to be refined.

 

[Draiskull]

There are no salary floor teams. The Islanders are $8M below the salary floor with no goalies signed, nine forwards and only five defencemen signed. The only way they would need to eat salary just to make the floor is if they used an amnesty buyout to create cap room to be below the floor???

OTT says hi. They will be a cap floor team next year if Alfi retires.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

listened to John Davidson this morning on calgary radio. They have 3 picks and he expects the players available at those spots will be depth / role type guys.

IN the next breath, he says the BJ's have excellent depth with depth / role guys and are looking for skill up front. It would be difficult to find a better fit for Hemsky, especially if the Oilers eat half of the salary.

He was quite high on Johansen but that could be just inflating the value of an asset he might be trading. Says there is a lot of work left with Johansen but guys his size are pretty rare. Thinks he is a sure thing to be a good 3rd line center with the possibility of 1st or 2nd line center if he progresses. He has to get more fit and his offensive skills need to be refined.

Interesting, if that is his thought process then perhaps we've found a home for Hemsky? If we could eat some of his salary and get a middle of the pack 1st rounder I'd be all over it. Perhaps it could set up a Gagner for Johansen + mid 1st as well?

Trade up to 5 and draft Barkov, Lindholm, or Monahan. Trade the mid 1st and Anaheim's 2nd rounder to get into Lazar territory or perhaps Nurse or Zadorov territory and walk out of the draft with two terrific talents. Sign Cullen or trade for Peverley and we are good to go.

 

[shoop]

OTT says hi. They will be a cap floor team next year if Alfi retires.

Alfredsson is a UFA. Whether or not he retires doesn't impact where they are now compared to the cap.

They are $500K below the cap with five defencemen signed.

There are no cap floor teams!

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Horcoff has th eperfect contract for a team that has to get to the cap, but doesnt want to spend to the cap.

He has trade value ~ 2 mil worth.

No, Daniel Briere has the perfect contract for teams that don't want to spend to the cap. $6.5 million cap hit for 2 more years and his actual pay will be a combined $5 million for a difference of $8 million, tell that's not better than Horcoff's contract for teams that want to spend less than the cap in actual $'s

 

[sepHF]

Sorry if this has been discussed already. Any ideas out there as to what number Yaks will wear next season? 64 or 10?

I wonder about Schultz too, his #6 will be available with Whitney leaving.

 

[Gret99zky]

Not a big fan of changing #'s.

Teddy Peckham changed numbers and his game fell down an elevator shaft.

Bure changed from 10 to 96 and it wasn't good.

 

[Wheathead]

Not a big fan of changing #'s.

Teddy Peckham changed numbers and his game fell down an elevator shaft.

Bure changed from 10 to 96 and it wasn't good.

Peckham's play fell off because he was out of shape.

Bure wanted out of Vancouver, so that may be why his play when in the toilet.