Include Keefe in the deal
We're Around 4 million over the cap even with Murray and Muzzin on LTIR, Who is Gone?
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Honestly, both should be gone. We'll never get to the grail with these 2 ....nor with AM. They've proven multiple times they're unable/unwilling to do what it takes to win in the PO....why do we ( and more importantly mgmt kid ourselves)???
Had to read up a bit. I can't find it explicitly stated in the CBA, but CapFriendly has this, and no reason to think they are wrong:
So, given that, it doesn't seem like we are in an offseason cap crunch (yet), we should be eligible to go Cap+10%+Muzzin contract.. another $5 million or so I think... So I think 1 & 3 are covered by that. I can't imagine Sammy won't elect for arbitration though, surely the QO from the Leafs was the minimum $1.8 offer, he's not taking that.
#2 is a possibility though, right?
2020 MoU changed the hard and fast rule on the 35+'s, stumbled over it myself this week. Gio could retire and it would be gone. Rule was modified to more specifically target the long term back diving contracts it was meant to guard against in the first place. Gio on 2 years not front loaded is fine.
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Your investigation cheque can be picked at BWO office, Office hours open 24 / 7 for Leaf fans.
Is it 120%? Wasn’t sure, had settled on 100 as his base salary was over 1 million. What am I missing?
edit: No, I had it right, $1.8 because over 1 million salary last year. Not that it matters much..
And yes, there’s the player elected arbitration .
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That’s disappearing the whole Murray contract though, that’s the hard part right?
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If oft-injured Mrazek only cost 13 spots dropped in the draft for 2 full years, it shouldn't cost as much for a goalie who can actually play top-notch for the 20-25 games he's healthy.
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Some people believe Samsonov's # is going to come in around $3 mil this year.
If Sammy was going to take $3 mil wouldn't he already be signed, as it certainly wouldn't be Leafs side holding it up?
The player elected Arbitration decision seems to suggest both sides are not close in term or $$ this a 3rd party ruling on case.
I know there's been proposals for Hanifin and a couple other D-men for Nylander, but something different.
Brodie + Nylander for Zadorov + Lindholm as the base of the trade, maybe some picks involved. Saves us close to 3M in cap, also Lindholm is a right shot, could be tried on Tavares' wing if needed, or move Tavares to LW and have Lindholm as the C. I prefer the hypothetical lineup below, gives you a real checking line and great depth throughout the lineup. Looking at Vegas, they had 3 lethal lines capable of scoring and controlling the play.
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Knies - Tavares - X
Domi - Lindholm - Jarnkrok
Lafferty - Holmberg - Reaves
Rielly - X
McCabe - Liljegren
Zadorov - Timmins
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Brodie is still a decent D-man and pending UFA, played lots of years in Calgary. We likely won't be able to pay Nylander what he's asking for. We get Zadorov, a big physical D-man that plays with an edge. Lindholm also a pending UFA, but can fit under our cap. A good 2 way Center who also plays a tough game and we can actually have a realistic chance at re-signing him to something reasonable, in the 8M range.
Brodie + Nylander for Zadorov + Lindholm as the base of the trade, maybe some picks involved. Saves us close to 3M in cap, also Lindholm is a right shot, could be tried on Tavares' wing if needed, or move Tavares to LW and have Lindholm as the C. I prefer the hypothetical lineup below, gives you a real checking line and great depth throughout the lineup. Looking at Vegas, they had 3 lethal lines capable of scoring and controlling the play.
Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Knies - Tavares - X
Domi - Lindholm - Jarnkrok
Lafferty - Holmberg - Reaves
Rielly - X
McCabe - Liljegren
Zadorov - Timmins
Giordano
Brodie is still a decent D-man and pending UFA, played lots of years in Calgary. We likely won't be able to pay Nylander what he's asking for. We get Zadorov, a big physical D-man that plays with an edge. Lindholm also a pending UFA, but can fit under our cap. A good 2 way Center who also plays a tough game and we can actually have a realistic chance at re-signing him to something reasonable, in the 8M range.
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I wonder if there's a "wink wink" deal with Samsonov to file for arb strictly to allow the team to activate the 2nd buyout window and dump Murray, should no deal to trade him be successful. Once Murray is off the books (one way or another), Sammy's new deal is announced and no arb neeeded.
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People are saying just trade Willie & get a big return.
Not so fast First he'll have to agree to sign long-term. Does that team want the headache of negotiating with an agent who wants more $$$ then a player on par with him... ie Timo Meier?
Ofcourse you say what you want about the 10m per year ask but with taxes in Canada is not the same as 8.5-9m or less in the states
Not so fast First he'll have to agree to sign long-term. Does that team want the headache of negotiating with an agent who wants more $$$ then a player on par with him... ie Timo Meier?
Ofcourse you say what you want about the 10m per year ask but with taxes in Canada is not the same as 8.5-9m or less in the states
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I agree. Although Brodie has served the Leafs well, he faded badly as the season went on. He is going into the final year of his contract and I cannot envision the Leafs re-signing him.
I see some posters wanting to dump Timmins. Although he played limited minutes in a heavily sheltered role, I thought that he played well enough to want to see more of him.
I sorted the seven Leafs defensemen currently on their roster by weight, (heaviest to lightest), height, (tallest to shortest), and age, (youngest to oldest). In other words, the names at the top of the list are the most attractive and the ones at the bottom the least attractive. (I acknowledge that this approach does not assess performance, but it is difficult to assess performance objectively.)
Based on all of the above, I expect the Leafs to trade Brodie. He still has positive value. The Leafs should use his cap space to find someone better suited to the team that Tre is building. Another option is to see how Liljegren and Timmins do during the season and look for an upgrade at the trade deadline.
| Age | Height | Weight | Birth Date | ||
| Morgan Rielly44 | 29 | 6' 1" | 219 lbs | L | 03/09/1994 |
| Mark Giordano55 | 39 | 6' 0" | 205 lbs | L | 10/03/1983 |
| Jake McCabe22 | 29 | 6' 1" | 204 lbs | L | 10/12/1993 |
| Conor Timmins25 | 24 | 6' 2" | 202 lbs | R | 09/18/98 |
| Timothy Liljegren37 | 24 | 6' 0" | 198 lbs | R | 04/30/99 |
| TJ Brodie78 | 33 | 6' 2" | 187 lbs | L | 06/07/1990 |
| John Klingberg | 30 | 6' 2" | 180 lbs | R | 08/14/92 |
| Age | Height | Weight | Birth Date | ||
| Conor Timmins25 | 24 | 6' 2" | 202 lbs | R | 09/18/98 |
| TJ Brodie78 | 33 | 6' 2" | 187 lbs | L | 06/07/1990 |
| John Klingberg | 30 | 6' 2" | 180 lbs | R | 08/14/92 |
| Morgan Rielly44 | 29 | 6' 1" | 219 lbs | L | 03/09/1994 |
| Jake McCabe22 | 29 | 6' 1" | 204 lbs | L | 10/12/1993 |
| Mark Giordano55 | 39 | 6' 0" | 205 lbs | L | 10/03/1983 |
| Timothy Liljegren37 | 24 | 6' 0" | 198 lbs | R | 04/30/99 |
| Age | Height | Weight | Birth Date | ||
| Timothy Liljegren37 | 24 | 6' 0" | 198 lbs | R | 04/30/99 |
| Conor Timmins25 | 24 | 6' 2" | 202 lbs | R | 09/18/98 |
| Morgan Rielly44 | 29 | 6' 1" | 219 lbs | L | 03/09/1994 |
| Jake McCabe22 | 29 | 6' 1" | 204 lbs | L | 10/12/1993 |
| John Klingberg | 30 | 6' 2" | 180 lbs | R | 08/14/92 |
| TJ Brodie78 | 33 | 6' 2" | 187 lbs | L | 06/07/1990 |
| Mark Giordano55 | 39 | 6' 0" | 205 lbs | L | 10/03/1983 |
I think the Leafs are testing the waters to see if he would take his QO offer on a 1 yr deal to kick the can down the road. But now they have to wait to see what the arbitration award is to figure out the rest of of their cap situation.
But I dont see the Leafs being able to pay Samsonov more than $3M.
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We will know in another 11-12 days or so.
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G Ilya Samsonov, Toronto
Murray and muzzin on IR and samsonov at $3m puts us cap compliant with 12 forwards and 7 defensemen
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I'd be okay with ending up with Lindholm. But he'd have to end up as our #2C, not third.
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It sucks so much how the NHL has come to this. Counting on injured players, buyouts, low-value trades, having to give away draft picks for Ufa mistakes, etc. It really is embarrassing.
No other major professional sports league operates this way.
I wonder why not……?
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